Most ASB event that happened in OTL
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Um...they weren't unnoticed or ignored. Read about the 1936 Olympics. The fact that so many countries even attended was hugely controversial.
Would be even more applicable to Sir Isaac Newton.
This isn't as far-fetched as it is on first sight given that Japan had a very commercialized, urban economy even before the Meiji Restoration (in contrast to say Korea) and had some knowledge of Western science and technology through "Dutch learning" that filtered through Dejima.
Europe from 1914-45. Something like the Great War might have been expected, but it leading to the collapse of four empires and Russia of all countries undergoing Communist revolution? Not to mention that it only sets the stage for further violence culminating in Hitler who is a Germanic expy of Napoleon without any of the latter's redeeming traits and inclined to mass genocide.
Austria being totally excluded from a united Germany.
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And his solution to the loss of Finland was "Why not conquer Norway instead?" which was successful and lasted almost 100 years.
Collapse of four empires during WW1 is not very ASB, not even implausible. It was already almost inevitable, speciality Ottomans and A-H. But succesful Nazis are very ASB. And fact that they went such maniac genocidal and managed conquer half of Europe so easily.
Maybe, strictly speaking, this is not ASB. Yet
maybe it is when you think about it- a slave-
holder, a millionare(@ the least he was pretty well off), a rather shy man who often
seemed more @ home among his books, nevertheless writes a document that states
the case for liberty for all in phrases that
have never been forgotten. He fights for
the common man. He becomes one of the
leading revolutionaries of his time. Whom
am I talking about? Why Thomas Jefferson
of course.
maybe it is when you think about it- a slave-
holder, a millionare(@ the least he was pretty well off), a rather shy man who often
seemed more @ home among his books, nevertheless writes a document that states
the case for liberty for all in phrases that
have never been forgotten. He fights for
the common man. He becomes one of the
leading revolutionaries of his time. Whom
am I talking about? Why Thomas Jefferson
of course.
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The Sea People blowing up the Hittites and all the other Levantine states only to lose to Egypt so decisively that they are never heard of again.
Ok, so this one guy who conquers the majority of Europe - I just realised his name just translates to 'Great Man' in French, so you're going to have to revise that to be way more subtle.
So the best choices have probably been said already so here's some less-obvious ones (which may have already been said too)
The dominance of tetrapods over arthropods as the dominant land creatures (in the Carboniferous it was very much the other way around). (Trust me I was there)
No human subspecies survived into the Holocene mammoth-style on any isolated islands or anything.
One empire conquered the Mediterranean and held it all together with ancient technology.
China was never a colonial empire. Nor were any of the Caliphates.
The entire observable universe went to war with some socialist rebels (the Bolsheviks) and lost.
Everything that has (or rather, hasn't) happened in space from the 1970s onward.
Country X got an entire nuclear arsenal, but country Y never had a single nuke (plenty of examples for both of these).
9/11.
Pewdiepie actually winning the Youtube War.
The dominance of tetrapods over arthropods as the dominant land creatures (in the Carboniferous it was very much the other way around). (Trust me I was there)
No human subspecies survived into the Holocene mammoth-style on any isolated islands or anything.
One empire conquered the Mediterranean and held it all together with ancient technology.
China was never a colonial empire. Nor were any of the Caliphates.
The entire observable universe went to war with some socialist rebels (the Bolsheviks) and lost.
Everything that has (or rather, hasn't) happened in space from the 1970s onward.
Country X got an entire nuclear arsenal, but country Y never had a single nuke (plenty of examples for both of these).
9/11.
Pewdiepie actually winning the Youtube War.
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I mean no one stopping their rearmament effort or even lifting a finger when Austria and checkslovakia were added to Germany
That was appeasement and made sense at the time, when Communism was the biggest threat to status quo and the traumas of WWI were still pretty fresh on everyone's mind. While we know France and the UK probably could've stopped Nazi Germany's advances dead in their tracks, it came with the risk of another strenuous conflict (since the form of warfare that everyone expected was trench warfare, which was difficult enough to win the first time) when everyone was sick of fighting and afraid of the USSR (and the possibility that they would capitalise on any European conflicts to spread their influence and aid leftist groups). Just letting Nazi Germany get what it wanted and avoiding war seemed to contemporary British and French leaders to be the approach that would guarantee a future free of conflict, saving both money and lives that would otherwise be spent and destroyed senselessly.
Of course, 1939 proved them dead wrong. But we can say that with the benefit of hindsight. We know the extent of Hitler's megalomania and treachery, the Wehrmacht's tactics and the Allies' unpreparedness, and the Nazi's brutality and inhumanity. They didn't, or at least they didn't know those things as well as we do now after the fact.
So was it a poor choice in the long run and a disastrous series of decisions that ultimately resulted in the bloodiest war in all recorded history? Yes. But was it completely irrational and ASB? No, far from it.
Sure, but ultimately the Nazis covered up the worst of what was going on and only two countries refused to attend.
The CCCP hadnt attended an Olympics since 1920, leaving only the Second Spanish Republic to boycott the 1936 Olympics in particular. Compare this to the much larger Cold War era boycotts...