Manufacture a claim to the Roman Empire for every country

[Deleted member 114175]

In this thread, we pick any country in the world and explain how it is the true successor of the Roman Empire

Diocletian made Sirmium (roughly in modern Bosnia) a regional capital during the Tetrarchy, so technically, the whole Roman Empire is just greater Bosnia, and history has robbed the noble Bosnio-Roman people of their glorious inheritance

My perfect Rome is fluid, migrating every few hundred years as needed.

First Rome- based out of Rome (founding-476)

Second Rome- based out of Constantinople (476-717)

Third Rome- based out of Antioch (717-907)

Fourth Rome- based out of Persepolis (907-1225)

Fifth Rome- based out of Delhi (1225-1389)

Sixth Rome- based out of Bengal (1389-1526)

Seventh Rome- based out of Ayutthaya (1526-1765)

Eight Rome- based out of Guangzhou (1765-1842)

Ninth Rome- based out of San Fransisco (1843-1906)

Tenth Rome- based out of New York (1906-1929)

Eleventh Rome- based out of Lisbon (1929-1970)

Twelfth Rome- based out of Rome (1970-present)

No one understands how they've maintained legal continuity across time, geography, and culture, but somehow they've managed.

They swear each move made sense at the time.

For example: England is the true successor of the Roman Empire, because England's heir apparent or Caesar as the Byzantines would say, is the Prince of Wales, and Wales includes Deheubarth, and Deheubarth was the last remnant of Romano-Britain, and Romano-Britain was the last remaining piece of the Roman Empire in the West.

 

[Wolttaire]

Iceland Roman settlers arrived and live there before the Vikings butchered them all and took over

 

[ArchimedesCircle]

Belgium: The Latin Empire took the title of Roman Empire after the 4th Crusade. The first emperor of the Latin Empire was also the Count of Flanders and Hainaut, and the last Latin Emperor's mother was from Flanders.

Switzerland: The Old Swiss Confederacy was a member of the Holy Roman Empire, and like good subjects the Swiss have refused to join in any war without the approval of the emperor since the time of Napoleon.

Spain: Montferrat was once ruled over by the Paliologos dynasty, the last ruling dynasty of the ERE. It was later owned by Spain.

Florida: One of the Romanov claimants died in Florida in 1992, and his successor has been disputed since. In lieu of a clear successor, the claim to the third Rome defaults to the state of Florida.

Algeria and Morocco: Claim inherited from the Kingdom of Mauretania.

 

[Bourbonic Plague]

The United States has a glorious Republican system, complete with a Sentate. It's ideals make it worthy of being the heir to Rome



The Empire is a sad caricature of Rome.

 

[Albireo]

Iran: The first Safavid shah Ismail I was the great grandson of Emperor John IV of Trebizond and through the Trapezuntine emperors is a descendant of Byzantine Emperor Andronikos I.

 

[PoorBoy]

Japan: We like bathing together, and used to be a long-lasting military dictatorship lead by a commander (shogun/imperator) with a powerless head-of-state.

 

[ArchimedesCircle]

Japan: We like bathing together, and used to be a long-lasting military dictatorship lead by a commander (shogun/imperator) with a powerless head-of-state.

Also emperor'. Not too many of them around these days, that's gotta count for something

 

[ramones1986]

Italy: For the most obvious reasons

 

[Intransigent Southerner]

Kazakhstan.

I am 100% serious.

When the Roman Empire in the West fell, the mantle passed to the East. With the marriage of a Byzantine prince to a Rurikid prince, and with Muscovy remaining virtually the only independent Orthodox power following the fall of Constantinople and Serbia to the Ottomans, it is clear that Russia is indeed the Third Rome.

The legal successor to the Russian Empire is the Soviet Union.

Kazakhstan was the last republic of the Soviet Union.

Kazakhstan is the legal successor to the Romans. Also has nice potassium.

 

[Tripledot]

In this thread, we pick any country in the world and explain how it is the true successor of the Roman Empire





For example: England is the true successor of the Roman Empire, because England's heir apparent or Caesar as the Byzantines would say, is the Prince of Wales, and Wales includes Deheubarth, and Deheubarth was the last remnant of Romano-Britain, and Romano-Britain was the last remaining piece of the Roman Empire in the West.

Actually, the far more straightforward path is to claim the Roman Empire through King Arthur, who fought and became the Western Roman Emperor in Le Mort D'Arthur.

 

[ByzantineCaesar]

Brazil: the Byzantines were supposedly defined by their Christian imperial mission. Ergo, the Roman Empire in its last incarnation was defined by its Christian imperial mission. Leadership of Christianity was disputed between the Byzantine Emperor and the Pope. Once the Emperor disappeared, the Pope became the uncontested leader de facto. The Pope granted Portugal the exclusive right of promoting the Christian imperial mission abroad. Ergo, Portugal was the spiritual successor of the Roman Empire (not actually joking here, Portuguese statesmen claimed that much in the Modern Age, they even compare one of their kings to Theodosius II). As Brazil is the direct successor of the Kingdom of Portugal more than the Portuguese Republic is, by the way of the senior branch of the House of Braganza having ruled Brazil while the cadet branch was installed in Portugal after 1826, Brazil is technically the heir to the Roman Empire.

 

[Jack Hawksmoor]

Diocletian made Sirmium (roughly in modern Bosnia) a regional capital during the Tetrarchy, so technically, the whole Roman Empire is just greater Bosnia, and history has robbed the noble Bosnio-Roman people of their glorious inheritance.

Even taking into account the word "roughly" this is misguided or wishful geography. Sirmium was never part of medieval or modern Bosnia, and it is in modern Serbia.

 

[Albireo]

Pakistan: As the most dominant Muslim state in the Indian subcontinent, it is the spiritual successor to the Mughal Empire. The Mughals were founded by a member of the Timurid dynasty, descended from Tamerlane who conquered the territory of the former Ilkhanate, which itself conquered the Seljuq Sultanate of Rûm, based in and named for the ERE's heartland of Anatolia.

 

[The Professor]

Isle of Mann:
The Tynwald included Varangian Guards among its founders*. Being the only remaining Roman and continuous institution left the right to raise the Emperor falls to it. Long Live the Douglantine Roman Empire!

* this may even be true...

 

[Flashman]

Iceland Roman settlers arrived and live there before the Vikings butchered them all and took over

This makes a case for Iceland being rightfully Roman but not that it bears actual descent since the Pappars were eliminated.

 

[Jan Olbracht]

There was 15/16th century theory about origin of Lithuanians (German and Polish chroniclers noted, that their language resembles Latin somewhat) that they were descendants of Romans, who left Roman Empire to escape Nero's tyranny. So you have Lithuania's Roman claim.

 

[Bobbbcat2]

Kazakhstan.

I am 100% serious.

When the Roman Empire in the West fell, the mantle passed to the East. With the marriage of a Byzantine prince to a Rurikid prince, and with Muscovy remaining virtually the only independent Orthodox power following the fall of Constantinople and Serbia to the Ottomans, it is clear that Russia is indeed the Third Rome.

The legal successor to the Russian Empire is the Soviet Union.

Kazakhstan was the last republic of the Soviet Union.

Kazakhstan is the legal successor to the Romans. Also has nice potassium.

You have one problem: the Russian Federation is considered the successor state to the USSR.

 

[Coluber]

Ergo, Portugal was the spiritual successor of the Roman Empire (not actually joking here, Portuguese statesmen claimed that much in the Modern Age, they even compare one of their kings to Theodosius II).

I think you mean the first Theodosius; but yeah, the whole concept of the "Fifth Empire" is part of the Portuguese national mythos, even though the younger members of Portuguese society don't think of it too much. And with that being said I think Portugal's claim has just been made: SPIRITUAL SUCCESSION!

 

[markus meecham]

Iran: we were Rome before Rome was Rome, and kept being Rome even though Rome was Rome at the moment, and we kept doing so until Constantinople was Rome.

 

[ArchimedesCircle]

Andorra: The French monarchy had a claim to Rome that they inherited from Charlemagne. Andorra remains a technical monarchy even though France has been a republic for a century and a half, thus making Andorra the successor to the French Roman claims.

Croatia, Hungary, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czechia, Poland, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Austria: Inherited claim from the Hapsburgs who once ruled the Holy Roman Empire.

Macedonia/FYROM/North Macedonia: They share a name with a Roman province, and like Rome they often attempt to mimic Greek culture.

Paraguay: Paraguay was historically governed by the Jesuits, who are a branch of the Catholic Church, which itself has a claim to Rome.