The True Divided Nation - An Alternate North America

[InfernoMole]

@InfernoMole , I changed the list to some extent.

Okay. This is acceptable now.

Thank you.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Okay. This is acceptable now.

Thank you.

Still, I changed things around at the end. No Hollande anymore.

 

[Filo]

No. The South was first more or less democratic (continued Kingdom of Italy), and then went militarist in the 70s.

Ok, i think to have the right person... Both north and south

 

[AlternateHistory191]

Why don't the electoral vote tallies match the map?

 

[Filo]

Here my suggestions for the Southern Italy:

Giulio Andreotti, the biggest, longest, and probably powerful, politician we italian ever had(Connected with Mafias, terrorist organizzations and other crimes, never loose his humor).
(N.B I despite hem, but was a true politic nothingless)
Able to play with Americans and societs, between fascistes and Communistes.

Junio Valerio Borghese, the man who could be the italian Pinochet.
He tried a coup d'etat in 1070 OTL Italy, but for reason unknown he retired the order and then fleed in fascist Spain. ITTL he could be your man.
(He died, probably killed, in 1974)

For the North one:

Walter Audisio was the man who killed Mussolini

Guido Fanti was a moderate and a man of culture.
The downtown of Bologna is his own work.


This is only mine suggestions.
Tell me if you like.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

I will use some of those suggestions at least, @Filo

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

List of heads of government of France:

1792-1871: Directory/Triumvirate
1871-1880: Louis Charles Delescluze (Ouvrières de la Commune)
1880-1907: Alain Bersot (Ouvrières de la Commune)
1907-1925: Loïc Piocelle (Ouvrières de la Commune)
1925-1935: Marc Clichy (Ouvrières de la Commune)
1935-1955: Cédric Avinel (Syndicat General des Mineurs)
1955-1965: Guillaume Dupray (Syndicat des Cheminots)
1965-1975: Hérault Niaré (Syndicat Agro-Industrial)
1975-1985: Ilan Germany (Syndicat Industrial Français)
1985-2005: Benoît Larouac (Union d'ouvrières de la Salute)
2005-2025: Gaël Germany (Syndicat Industrial Français)

List of Heads of State of France (Leader of the Unions):

1922-1928: Pierre Semard
1928-1940: Maurice Thorez
1940-1952: Léon Blum
1952-1958: Maurice Thorez
1958-1970: Ho Chi Minh
1970-1976: Djibo Bakary
1976-1982: Georges Marchais
1982-1994: Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali
1994-2000: Lionel Jospin
2000-2012: Hérault Niaré
2012-2024: Jean-Luc Mélénchon
2024-2036: Bixente Lizarazu

 

[Whiteshore]

2005-2025: Gaël Germany (Syndicat Industrial Français)

How surprising.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

How surprising.

It was alluded to in the infobox already.

 

[Whiteshore]

Also, maybe we could insert Thorez, Blum, Mitterand, or Marchais somewhere?

 

[Whiteshore]

Maybe Thorez and Marchais could be leaders of a "Centralist" faction while Blum and Mitterand lead "reformist" factions?

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Mitterand is POTUS, anyway. But at least Thorez is now a historic Head of State in France, @Whiteshore

 

[Whiteshore]

Mitterand is POTUS, anyway. But at least Thorez is now a historic Head of State in France, @Whiteshore

What became of Melencton ITTL?

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Credit for some of the names on the list goes to @Filo ! Thanks for helping me on Italy!

List of rulers of Italy (1921-...)

List of Capo degli Operai (Supreme Workers) of North Italy (=Heads of State):

1921-1957: Amadeo Bordiga
1957-1973: Walter Audisio
1973-1994: Guido Fanti
1994-2008: Achille Occhetto
2008-...: Tommaso Gambadori

List of leaders of the SGLI (Sindicato Generale dei Lavoratori Italiani) (= Heads of Government of North Italy):

1921-1957: Amadeo Bordiga
1957-1965: Palmiro Togliatti
1965-1971: Pietro Nenni
1971-1977: Emergency/Collective Leadership
1977-1995: Danile Dolci
1995-2002: Massimo D'Alema
2002-2016: Gennaro Migliore
2016-2037: Tommaso Fogli

List of Prime Ministers of South Italy:

1921-1926: Gabriele D'Annunzio (Partito del Risorgimento Nazionale)
1926-1928: Achille Starace (PRN)
1928-1939: Gabriele D'Annunzio (PRN)
1939-1943: Scipione Borghese (independent)
1943-1947: Italo Balbo (PRN)
1947: Scipione Borghese (independent)
1947-1953: Galeazzo Ciano (PRN)
1953: Giulio Andreotti (non-partisan, later Partito Cristiano)
1953-1954: Amintore Fanfani (Partito Cristiano)
1954: Mario Scelba (Partito Cristiano)
1954-1955: Giulio Andreotti (Partito Cristiano)
1955: Giuseppe Pella (Partito Cristiano)
1955-1956: Mario Scelba (Partito Cristiano)
1956: Giuseppe Pella (Partito Cristiano)
1956-1958: Amintore Fanfani (Partito Cristiano)
1958-1959: Mario Scelba (Partito Cristiano)
1959: Amintore Fanfani (Partito Cristiano)
1959: Antonio Segni (Partito Cristiano)
1959-1960: Adone Zoli (PC)
1960-1961: Antonio Segni (PC)
1961-1964: Amintore Fanfani (PC)
1964: Adone Zoli (PC)
1964-1965: Giulio Andreotti (PC)
1965-1966: Amintore Fanfani (PC)
1966-1967: Giulio Andreotti (PC)
1967-1972: Aldo Moro (PL)
1972: Governo d'Unita Nazionale (Junio Valerio Borghese) (coup d'état and Third Sardinian Crisis)
1972-1975: civil war/Italian War
1975-1981: Junio Valerio Borghese
1981-2005: Vincenzo Vinciguerra/Stefano Delle Chiaie
2005-2019: Vincenzo Vinciguerra/Attilio Carelli
2019-...: Umar Mukhtar bin Muhamad Hosny/Attilio Carelli

 

[Filo]

Just to know

Partito di Risorgimento Nazionale)

This is Partito del risorgimento nazionale

of Capoperai

This is better Capo degli Operai, or Capo Operaio, (if plural is Capi Operai)

Sorry for correction, but is nice see some Italian language, and i hope to do something helping with right spelling.

Nice TL.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Sorry for correction, but is nice see some Italian language, and i hope to do something helping with right spelling.

I am fine with corrections! Thanks for your assistance! Now I finished the list for South Italy.

 

[Filo]

This is Partito del risorgimento nazionale

Could be also Partito Nazional-risorgimentale.
Connecting the party with the struggle for Italian unity

 

[basileus]

Credit for some of the names on the list goes to @Filo ! Thanks for helping me on Italy!

List of rulers of Italy (1921-...)

List of Capo degli Operai (Supreme Workers) of North Italy (=Heads of State):

1921-1957: Amadeo Bordiga
1957-1973: Walter Audisio
1973-1994: Guido Fanti
1994-2008: Achille Occhetto
2008-...: Tommaso Gambadori

List of leaders of the SGLI (Sindicato Generale dei Lavoratori Italiani) (= Heads of Government of North Italy):

1921-1957: Amadeo Bordiga
1957-1965: Palmiro Togliatti
1965-1971: Pietro Nenni
1971-1977: Emergency/Collective Leadership
1977-1995: Danile Dolci
1995-2002: Massimo D'Alema
2002-2016: Gennaro Migliore
2016-2037: Tommaso Fogli

List of Prime Ministers of South Italy:

1921-1934: Benito Mussolini (Partito del Risorgimento Nazionale)
1934-1950: Italo Balbo (PRN, later non-partisan)
1950-1955: Alcide De Gasperi (non-partisan, later Partito Cristiano)
1955: Giuseppe Pella (Partito Cristiano)
1955-1956: Mario Scelba (Partito Cristiano)
1956: Giuseppe Pella (Partito Cristiano)
1956-1958: Amintore Fanfani (Partito Cristiano)
1958-1959: Mario Scelba (Partito Cristiano)
1959: Amintore Fanfani (Partito Cristiano)
1959: Antonio Segni (Partito Cristiano)
1959-1960: Adone Zoli (PC)
1960-1961: Antonio Segni (PC)
1961-1964: Amintore Fanfani (PC)
1964: Francesco Aciterri (PC)
1964-1965: Giulio Andreotti (PC)
1965-1966: Amintore Fanfani (PC)
1966-1967: Giulio Andreotti (PC)
1967-1972: Aldo Moro (PL)
1972: Governo d'Unita Nazionale (Junio Valerio Borghese) (coup d'état and Third Sardinian Crisis)
1972-1975: civil war/Italian War
1975-1981: Junio Valerio Borghese
1981-2005: Vincenzo Vinciguerra/Stefano Delle Chiaie
2005-2019: Vincenzo Vinciguerra/Attilio Carelli
2019-...: Umar Mukhtar bin Muhamad Hosny/Attilio Carelli

Mussolini, Balbo and De Gasperi were Northerners through and through. Heck, de Gasperi was technically Austrian-born!

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

Mussolini, Balbo and De Gasperi were Northerners through and through. Heck, de Gasperi was technically Austrian-born!

Oh. I must change De Gasperi then, but Mussolini and Balbo could well have fled from the communist revolution in the north.

Who would you suggest as an equally democratic, but stability-providing southerner?

 

[Filo]

Mussolini and Balbo could well have fled from the communist revolution in the north.

Before to became the Duce, Mussolini was a journalist for a Socialist newspaper...i see improbable that he fled from a Socialist country (sorry i have not see that).