The Fatherland - a Nazi victory TL

[manav95]

It's certainly possible, although ideological indoctrination from childhood can be pretty hard to change.

Maybe Hitler Jr. will realize the complete stupidity of racial policies and instead opt for the original fascism of Mussolini. It will be much easier to retain German power in a world where non white countries are growing in population and economic strength. Unlike his predecessors, I don't think the younger Nazis are keen on alienating the rest of the world given the revelation of their crimes.

 

[sloreck]

Asking Hitler Jr, or any other Nazi leader to make changes other than some that are basically pragmatic is unreal. They, and all of German society, have been brought up on the racial theories of Aryan superiority since 1933. Unlike OTL, where crushing defeat more or less stomped this out, ITTL they have been victorious. Jews and Roma have been exterminated everywhere the Reich holds sway, and the Slavs and other Untermenschen of the East have been culled and reduced to illiterate serfs in the main.

 

[ZincOxide]

The idea of this system was that it would end the competition in ABM deployment between the US and the Soviet Union.

Aren't the Soviets basically hanging on conventionally thanks to ongoing US arms aid? Methinks this was meant to go "... between the US and Germania."

 

[Lyrao]

Would be funny and ironic, if Hitler Jr. falls in Love with a (secret) jewish girl and get his worldview changed to be the leader, who shows Germania the way out of the Darkness of facism. Or at least starts to reform it so a less destorying, selfharming way of life.

 

[Tal Shiar]

In the Soviet Union reforms started when the generation born after October Revolution took power. Gorbachev was born in late 1930s if I remember. How will it be different in the Reich? When younger generation born after 1933 will take power?

 

[TripleCitizen]

In the Soviet Union reforms started when the generation born after October Revolution took power. Gorbachev was born in late 1930s if I remember. How will it be different in the Reich? When younger generation born after 1933 will take power?

This is actually a good point, it might not matter how indoctrinated you are when you’re in the top echelon of a society. Since Hitler Jr is probably more exposed to the outside world than the average German, it’s not that unrealistic that he could change his morals.

 

[Tal Shiar]

This is actually a good point, it might not matter how indoctrinated you are when you’re in the top echelon of a society. Since Hitler Jr is probably more exposed to the outside world than the average German, it’s not that unrealistic that he could change his morals.

Top echelon of society would be the least indoctrinated of all Germans. Rich and wealthy politicians' children always had and will have more opportunities to make things forbidden by law than people from the poorer parts of society. Even Nazis will punish their children less severe than others. Can you imagine Reinhard Heydrich sending his own son/daughter to die in labor camps because he/she is homosexual? He would rather warn them to do not show it in public.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Top echelon of society would be the least indoctrinated of all Germans. Rich and wealthy politicians' children always had and will have more opportunities to make things forbidden by law than people from the poorer parts of society. Even Nazis will punish their children less severe than others. Can you imagine Reinhard Heydrich sending his own son/daughter to die in labor camps because he/she is homosexual? He would rather warn them to do not show it in public.

But Hitler is also a man who has more to gain from maintaining the current system, so its easy for him to have also bought his father's bullshit.

 

[viperjock]

Siegfried Hitler has not entered politics yet. He is an SS Officer and runs his father’s museum. We don’t know how politically savvy he is.
Siegfried is the heir to Adolf in the eyes of the Nazis. He has three options:
1. He could stay out of politics. Siegfried can say he is unworthy and his father was the one and only Fuhrer.
2. Siegfried goes full North Korea and Heydrich passes power on to him. They might even go through the motions of an an “election” that of course Hitler Jr. wins by landslide.
3. Siegfried seizes power. The SS stages a coup for him and declares him Fuhrer for life.

 

[akoslows]

Siegfried Hitler has not entered politics yet. He is an SS Officer and runs his father’s museum. We don’t know how politically savvy he is.
Siegfried is the heir to Adolf in the eyes of the Nazis. He has three options:
1. He could stay out of politics. Siegfried can say he is unworthy and his father was the one and only Fuhrer.
2. Siegfried goes full North Korea and Heydrich passes power on to him. They might even go through the motions of an an “election” that of course Hitler Jr. wins by landslide.
3. Siegfried seizes power. The SS stages a coup for him and declares him Fuhrer for life.

Considering the kind of stuff that Heydrich has managed to do as Fuhrer and the damage that has done to Germany's standing on the international stage, I have a feeling that the third option would likely further destabilize the Reich.

 

[FillyofDelphi]

Siegfried Hitler has not entered politics yet. He is an SS Officer and runs his father’s museum. We don’t know how politically savvy he is.
Siegfried is the heir to Adolf in the eyes of the Nazis. He has three options:
1. He could stay out of politics. Siegfried can say he is unworthy and his father was the one and only Fuhrer.
2. Siegfried goes full North Korea and Heydrich passes power on to him. They might even go through the motions of an an “election” that of course Hitler Jr. wins by landslide.
3. Siegfried seizes power. The SS stages a coup for him and declares him Fuhrer for life.

Or Option 4; the lack of an obvious successor among the elite means they agree to a popular election from a list of vetted Nazi party candidates (basically a primary election in which the winner would run unopposed) to placate pressure from the younger generation for greater political participation by the Volk. Siegfried, if he were so inclined, is in a great position to pull a Louis Napoleon and use his family name, youth, ect. to run a great campaign and establish a legitimatist, reformist Reich that can manage the transition from Himmler's autocracy to a modern semi-liberalized state that can fufill Papa Adolf's dream of a a millennium (or, at least, a centery)

 

[Kingfish Chris]

Siegfried Hitler has not entered politics yet. He is an SS Officer and runs his father’s museum. We don’t know how politically savvy he is.
Siegfried is the heir to Adolf in the eyes of the Nazis. He has three options:
1. He could stay out of politics. Siegfried can say he is unworthy and his father was the one and only Fuhrer.
2. Siegfried goes full North Korea and Heydrich passes power on to him. They might even go through the motions of an an “election” that of course Hitler Jr. wins by landslide.
3. Siegfried seizes power. The SS stages a coup for him and declares him Fuhrer for life.

Honestly let's hope it doesn't result in Number 3 since it may be like TNO: Last Days of Europe where Civil War breaks out in Germany between various Factions in the Nazi Party.

 

[Tal Shiar]

@Onkel Willie Maybe we will see World War III with Germans winning nuclear onslaught?

 

[TripleCitizen]

Honestly let's hope it doesn't result in Number 3 since it may be like TNO: Last Days of Europe where Civil War breaks out in Germany between various Factions in the Nazi Party.

Actually that sounds fun, a nuclear civil war with nearly equally fanatical factions....

 

[viperjock]

Reinhard Heydrich had four children, two sons and two daughters. OTL his oldest son Klaus was killed in an accident in 1943 after his father’s death.
Don’t you think Papa Heydrich would try to hook up his own children with positions in the regime?

 

[Max Sinister]

According to many sources, Eva Braun really wasn't the sharpest spoon in the drawer. What does that mean for Siegfried? Maybe he's really better off running a museum.

 

[King_Arthur]

According to many sources, Eva Braun really wasn't the sharpest spoon in the drawer. What does that mean for Siegfried? Maybe he's really better off running a museum.

She is definitely not bright in the film Downfall, which is based on the memoirs of Traudl Junge, Hitler's secretary.

 

[akoslows]

According to many sources, Eva Braun really wasn't the sharpest spoon in the drawer. What does that mean for Siegfried? Maybe he's really better off running a museum.

Well then, perhaps Siegfried's incompetence as Fuhrer could be what leads to the Reich's collapse?

 

[The Gunslinger]

Well then, perhaps Siegfried's incompetence as Fuhrer could be what leads to the Reich's collapse?

I've gotten the impression that there's a lot of wheels spinning in the Reich that outside of the realm of the Fuhrer. Diplomatic isolation, recession and reform all seem more likely than outright collapse.

 

[Lusitania]

I've gotten the impression that there's a lot of wheels spinning in the Reich that outside of the realm of the Fuhrer. Diplomatic isolation, recession and reform all seem more likely than outright collapse.

While I have enjoyed the TL I found the premise of NAZI able to actually form a realistic economic policy for the country and that matter continent to be hard to understand. They operated from late 1930s to end of war living off the plunder of the countries the defeated.

So while I take the premise they won the war militarily I would of thought it would take them decade or more to reform economy (with different people in charge) longer if same people. Plus people in all their satélite countries were on verge of starvation due to plunder in 1945. So I wonder how they able to survive and prosper so fast.