Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

[akoslows]

On the presidents, it bounces between Democrats and Republicans. I’ll have to research and expand upon this later.

The four possible leaders for the US at the start of Führerreich are Huey Long, Alf Landon, John Nance Garner, and Quentin Roosevelt. I hope that helps.

 

[LNSS]

Yesterday I tried another game as the CSA, the fastest I could win the war was early 1940, and that's with the Canada intervention disabled. By then France had already been overrun by Germany so I couldn't activate the decision to join the Internationale

 

[1SaBy]

Thoughts on this?

Liking it, though Mussolini is supposed to be dead in Führerreich, AFAIK.

I have my own headcanon scenario for the mod as well.

The Second Great War is between between the Stahlpak, the Imperial Protection Alliance, and Mexico on one side and the Entente with the US on the other. The Soviet-led Internationale attacks the Entente and the Far Eastern Republic which is supported by Japan and thus the Imperial Protection Alliance.

After the war, the Cold War starts between the British bloc (the Imperial Federation, Portugal, Greece, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, Albania, Arabia, Mesopotamia, Persia, Japan, Nationalist China, Far Eastern Republic, Siam, Tibet, Colombia), the German bloc (Germany, the Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, Sweden, France, Italy, North African countries, Mexico, Central America, Bolivia, Turkey) and the Soviet bloc (the Soviet Union, Spain, Norway, Transcaucasia, Left wing China, Mongolia, Argentina, Chile). Map of the world in 1950: https://i.imgur.com/UAUSaJT.png

EDIT: I also have some outlines for the present day. All I know for now is that the Imperial Federation will collapse. And hard. So do Germany and Mexico, and the USA (or some kind of America) is restored.

 

[Tanner151]

Liking it, though Mussolini is supposed to be dead in Führerreich, AFAIK.

I have my own headcanon scenario for the mod as well.

The Second Great War is between between the Stahlpak, the Imperial Protection Alliance, and Mexico on one side and the Entente with the US on the other. The Soviet-led Internationale attacks the Entente and the Far Eastern Republic which is supported by Japan and thus the Imperial Protection Alliance.

After the war, the Cold War starts between the British bloc (the Imperial Federation, Portugal, Greece, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, Albania, Arabia, Mesopotamia, Persia, Japan, Nationalist China, Far Eastern Republic, Siam, Tibet, Colombia), the German bloc (Germany, the Netherlands, Hungary, Poland, Sweden, France, Italy, North African countries, Mexico, Central America, Bolivia, Turkey) and the Soviet bloc (the Soviet Union, Spain, Norway, Transcaucasia, Left wing China, Mongolia, Argentina, Chile). Map of the world in 1950: https://i.imgur.com/UAUSaJT.png

EDIT: I also have some outlines for the present day. All I know for now is that the Imperial Federation will collapse. And hard. So do Germany and Mexico, and the USA (or some kind of America) is restored.

Oh Mussolini is dead? Well then Italo Balbo can lead the Free Italians in Libya then. He’s more competent anyway.

Your story seems interesting though!

 

[1SaBy]

Oh Mussolini is dead? Well then Italo Balbo can lead the Free Italians in Libya then. He’s more competent anyway.

I think that Mussolini died during socialist protests which occured at the end of or shortly after teh First Great War. Balbo does make more sense since he's the hero who pacified Libya for Italy or something like that.

Your story seems interesting though!

Thanks. I also have something much more specific for Kaiserreich, since that mod is obviously itself more developed.

 

[White Aurora]

The new update makes it fun playing as the feds in the civil war.I always give ground on east,letting the AUS and CSA fight each other will gaining strength in the west(assuming no PSA). I still have a hard time as winning with Macarthur because of said PSA. Here's hoping that the developers would weaken The PSA,the feds are already fighting a 4 side war, they dont need to be weaken further...

 

[GDIS Pathe]

Working on a spreadsheet of *major navies in KR as of 1936

wondering where the fuck did Britain get the money to build a dozen G3s and a quart of N3s

*Navies that have some influence on the global stage or are otherwise noteworthy also not doing destroyers because my sanity is stretched enough as is

 

[Alex1guy]

Working on a spreadsheet of *major navies in KR as of 1936

wondering where the fuck did Britain get the money to build a dozen G3s and a quart of N3s

*Navies that have some influence on the global stage or are otherwise noteworthy also not doing destroyers because my sanity is stretched enough as is

Apparently in the interim period between Peace with Honour and the British Revolution, the British government engaged itself in a "Dreadnought Race" with the German Empire, building ships to the point of financial ruin. Kinda hand-wavey but that is the nature of Kaiserriech.

 

[Worffan101]

The new update makes it fun playing as the feds in the civil war.I always give ground on east,letting the AUS and CSA fight each other will gaining strength in the west(assuming no PSA). I still have a hard time as winning with Macarthur because of said PSA. Here's hoping that the developers would weaken The PSA,the feds are already fighting a 4 side war, they dont need to be weaken further...

The Feds should be weak with MacArthur; his coup effectively destroys the remaining legitimacy of the USA.

 

[Deleted member 82792]

Can we fit a tribute to Stan Lee in the Kaiserreich?

 

[White Aurora]

The Feds should be weak with MacArthur; his coup effectively destroys the remaining legitimacy of the USA.

Well for lore reasons i agree with you.The US has been already been completely destroyed from the inside once MacArthur got his way
But as a player playing as Mac it still frustrating

 

[White Aurora]

Can we fit a tribute to Stan Lee in the Kaiserreich?

I think that's a wonderful idea. The problem is he was born in 1922, while the POD in Kaiserreich is in 1917, so we can't directly say his name(such person would likely be never born due to the butterfly effect).
Perhaps an event in the pre-civil war US about book writers in NYC(Stan Lee was born in Manhattan) changing literature world with a new style of books with "pictures" inside...

 

[Worffan101]

Well for lore reasons i agree with you.The US has been already been completely destroyed from the inside once MacArthur got his way
But as a player playing as Mac it still frustrating

Play as Landon, then? Or Garner maybe?

MacArthur, out of the three main factions, should be Hard Mode in the 2ACW. Pacific States should be able to hold their side of the Rockies, but retaking the whole US for them should be really tough. AUS has a weaker starting position than the Syndicalists but is better located, geographically. Reds have better industry and lots of men, but a shit position with respect to geopolitical rivals.

Essentially, Huey is training wheels, the Reds are for a player who understands troop management and stuff and wants to try fighting a four-front war (since the most countries intervene against them), and MacArthur is the uphill climb.

 

[Worffan101]

I think that's a wonderful idea. The problem is he was born in 1922, while the POD in Kaiserreich is in 1917, so we can't directly say his name(such person would likely be never born due to the butterfly effect).
Perhaps an event in the pre-civil war US about book writers in NYC(Stan Lee was born in Manhattan) changing literature world with a new style of books with "pictures" inside...

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby both should be mentioned at least. I can totally see Jack Kirby (you know, son of Jewish immigrants, dyed-in-the-wool working-class 'Murican) making Syndicalist Captain America for the Reds in opposition to goons like Pelley and Moseley in the AUS (Moseley being a massive antisemite and Pelley being American Hitler), or moving to the Pacific states somehow and working from there.

...man, Kirby was great.

 

[1SaBy]

I think that's a wonderful idea. The problem is he was born in 1922, while the POD in Kaiserreich is in 1917, so we can't directly say his name(such person would likely be never born due to the butterfly effect).
Perhaps an event in the pre-civil war US about book writers in NYC(Stan Lee was born in Manhattan) changing literature world with a new style of books with "pictures" inside...

And there would be only one possible response to that event: Excelsior!

 

[White Aurora]

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby both should be mentioned at least. I can totally see Jack Kirby (you know, son of Jewish immigrants, dyed-in-the-wool working-class 'Murican) making Syndicalist Captain America for the Reds in opposition to goons like Pelley and Moseley in the AUS (Moseley being a massive antisemite and Pelley being American Hitler), or moving to the Pacific states somehow and working from there.

...man, Kirby was great.

Well, for propaganda, they could play Pelley as being stupid by writing comics about stuff like "they(the AUS) think so heavily about color skin/creed, they don't understand that everyone is the same(syndicalists) and so they are not connect to reality". it would be amazing to see captain red comic event (or whatever the captain america is here). while, i think Kirby would be in the CSA, the developers could place him everywhere(without Pelley's America, of course).


Yeah, Jack kirby is truly missed by so many people around the world...

 

[White Aurora]

Führerreich proposed alliances:

Continental Entente-
France (surrounded by a resurgent Germany and an antagonistic Britain decided to fortify their country and maintain a large standing army, imagine a Maginot/Atlantic Wall Line all around the country)
Italy
Armenia
Georgia
Portugal
USA (eventually, towards the end of the war)
Japan
Czechia

Stahlpakt (German-led Alliance)-
Germany
Poland
Lithuania
Latvia
Spain (after the Falangists win)
United Kingdom (as a Co-Beliigerent, but doesn’t take orders from Berlin, rather tries to preserve their empire and helps fight Entente forces abroad rather than risk landing in Fortress France)
Ottoman Empire
Nationalist China
Slovakia

Comintern-
Trotsky-led USSR
Mongolia
Communist China

So let’s say the war starts in 1938. Germany has annexed Austria (or better yet civil stability collapses as communists and NatPols fight in the streets and the Austrian government invites German soldiers in to provide stability but end up occupying the country and annexing it)

Czechia is conquered and the Sudetenland is annexed while the rest becomes the Czechia Protectorate.

With Italy and France arrayed against them the Germans decide to knock out the weaker power first: Italy. In mid-1939 they blitz through northern Italy, using paratroopers and mountain divisions to secure the borders and the Italian government surrenders while the military and government officials that refused to surrender flees to Libya (possibly led by a socialist Mussolini)

By 1940, to seek revenge for the Kiel Zone the Germans invade and occupy Denmark (also due to Denmark’ position in the Baltic) but don’t invade Norway due to the French aren’t willing to spare the resources and the British are their nominal allies.

The Ottomans retake their territory that was held by the Italians and move into French Syria but face fierce resistance and are stalled. Ottoman forces attack Georgia and Armenia but stall after securing border regions.

The Germans, British and Spanish prepare to attack France, Belgium and Luxembourg but the plans for invasion are canceled after the Soviet Union starts moving massive military forces to the Soviet-Polish border.

So the Germans refocus on the east, the British continue their colonial wars and fighting French forces in Africa and Asia while Canada breaks ties with Britain’s authoritarian government and declares itself the heir of empire. The Canadians support the royal family but detest the government.


Timeline (Rough Draft):

1933- Dressler and the Valkists come to power in a popular coup, decrying that the presidential elections of 1932 were fraudulent and unfair, which an international committee reluctantly agrees was biased against the Valkists. Dressler unites the offices of President and Chancellor into the Office of the Führer. Only Valkist and several right-wing parties are allowed to remain, though the Reichstag is temporarily dissolved.

1934- Internal dissent is crushed and democratic elements are purged, while the Valkists cement their absolute rule. Valkist movements within the Rhineland Confederation, the Kiel Zone and the Sudetenland begin mass protests, propaganda on a massive scale and some minor guerilla Warfare, plaguing Entente Forces.

1935- a referendum is held in the Rhineland as the French see it as an economic blackhole with garrison soldiers dying in their dozens per week and the Rhineland government being massively unpopular since it is viewed as collaborationist. The Rhineland is reunited with the Reich as is the valuable Ruhr Valley. The Reichstag is reinstated but rubber stamps all of Dressler decrees. The various right wing parties are merged into the Valkist Party.

1937- The Danes refuse referendum in Kiel until early 1937 and Kiel rejoins Germany. Britain politically and economically pressures the Danish in doing so.

In early 1938 Austria collapses into anarchy and mass rioting. German soldiers are invited in to restore order but stay and after a “mass popular vote” the Austrians vote to join the stable and orderly Reich.

By August of 1938 Dressler is wanting his homeland of the Sudetenland to be given to Germany but Czechia refuses. This results in an invasion by German, Polish and Slovakian soldiers. Minor border adjustments, mainly the Sudetenland being annexed by the Reich follows.

The Entente and Stahlpakt declare war on each other. The war’s official start day is August 3rd, 1938.

Germany attacks Italy in May of 1939, overrunning the north and securing the country by late July 1939. Due to the geography of Czechia and northern Italy blitzkrieg isn’t as effective as it was in Poland and France as IOTL.

1940- Denmark and Luxembourg are taken by the Germans in two mini-campaigns to secure strategic positions. Plans for the invasion of Fortress Belgium and Fortress France are underway. Meanwhile in North Africa the Free Italians under Mussolini’s nominal leadership manage to hold Libya against British assault from Egypt, while French Forces led by General Charles de Gaulle conquers Spanish Morocco.

In retaliation the Spanish conquer Portugal after weeks of fighting. Portuguese remnant forces flee to French North Africa to assist with the wars there.

1941- Trotsky’s Soviet Union prepares to attack Eastern Europe, causing Romania to join the Stahlpakt in early 1941 after its republic was overthrown in 1939 by National Populists.

Hungary and Greater Serbia join the Stahlpakt in 1940 but joined only due to economic benefits rather than expansionist desires. Both nations agree to supply soldiers to patrol occupied zones rather than fight on the front lines.

Greece and Bulgaria remain stubbornly neutral, though Ottoman insurgents in Greece-held Western Anatolia is bleeding them dry while the official Ottoman government denies involvement despite supporting and supplying the insurgency. The Ottomans cannot take Western Anatolia back due to most of the War effort focused on Georgia, Armenia and French Syria.

April 1941- the Soviets attack Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Poland. Initially successful but takes heavy casualties. Soviet Forces Resch the outskirts of Warsaw.

1942- the German-led Stahlpakt lead a massive counter offensive that pushes deep into Belarus SSR and Ukrainian SSR. Estonia SSR is conquered and a puppet government is installed in all three nations and they join the Stahlpakt. The stalemate on the Western Front continues with air sorties and artillery barrages the only thing of note happening. France and Free Italians begin readying an invasion force to land in italy supplied by the USA who is edging closer and closer to war due to British and German aggression across the Atlantic. Due to Britain being allies, the German surface navy is practically nonexistent, mainly just Uboats and some cruisers and destroyers for the Baltic.

1943- After securing Leningrad, Kiev and Smolensk, the frontline has stagnated with neither side able to deliver a knockout blow.

1944- Soviet soldiers enter Georgia and Armenia to combat the Ottomans. The two Entente countries allow this as they are militarily exhausted after 6 years of war and nearly collapsed. The Soviets begin pushing into eastern Anatolia.

Japan joins the war on the side of the Entente and quickly takes several British territories in Asia, including Hong Kong, Sinapore and Burma. In the UK dissent is rising as nearly a decade of costly colonial wars, and six years of a world war with no end in sight has brought not peace but more suffering and death as well, alongside massive economic costs. In an election the ruling right wingers are voted out and a more center/left leaning government comes to power. The British sever political and economic ties with the Stahlpakt and begin to lean more Entente. This gives France a huge reprieve as they are now able to trade much more
Easily and often with the US and now even Britain.

Dressler Orders the U-boats to go to unrestricted warfare to slow the flow of supplies reaching France. Britain is neutral but supports the Entente.

A U-boat sinks an American cruise ship thinking it was a merchant vessel. This brings the US into the war on the side of the Entente.

Dressler, realizing he is soon to face another major world power, orders a massive military campaign to be conducted in the east to knock out the Soviets so he can focus on the French, Americans and possibly British.

July 20th, 1944- Fall Vorschlaghammer (Operation Sledgehammer) is launched. It breaks the stalemate on the Eastern Front with the German Army alongside its allies pushing deep into western Russia, reaching the outskirts of Moscow by November and beginning urban warfare within the Soviet capital. Crimea is taken by the Stahlpakt and Soviet supply ships in the Black Sea are bombed bu Stahlpakt air Forces.

May 7th, 1945- a massive American/Portuguese/French force invade Spain and within two months have defeated Falangist Spain. Portugal is liberated as well.

Free Italian, French and American Forces Land in Sicily in mid-1945. Half of the Italian peninsula is liberated by the end of 1945.

By 1946 the Germans are forced to withdraw from Moscow due to overextended supply lines and heavy casualties suffered. Through 1946 there are just consistent losses for the Stahlpakt. The Ottomans are overrun by the Soviets and by the Greeks (who finally joined the Entente). The Germans are slowly being pushed up farther north in Italy and bombings of German cities are happening every other day. The Stahlpakt has been pushed to their pre-war borders in the east. Belarus and the Ukraine are retaken by the Soviets.

By 1947 the Entente lands in Denmark and parts of northern Germany. By September of 1947 Berlin is captured by the Entente as is much of northern Germany. The Entente and Soviets meet together in Warsaw.

So There is no Easy Germany/West Germany, but rather an East Poland/West Poland. Lithuania and Latvia are taken by the Soviets, as is Romania but Czechia, Slovakia, Germany, and Hungary are Entente-dominated. Greece and Bulgaria are Entente and the Ottoman Empire is dismantled and the People’s Republic of Turkey is established. Georgia and Armenia become Soviet republics.

In Asia the Japanese solidify their control of the Chinese Coast but are unable to take the rest of the mainland. North China (Communist) and South China (Nationalist) exist as recognized nations. The Japanese add Burma as a colony and Hong Kong and Singapore become military bases.

Dressler is arrested in his offices in Berlin. He gave himself up after speaking to the German people to lay down their arms, that the war was over. The war officially ended with Dressler signing the treaty on December 7th, 1947. The war had lasted nearly 9 and a half years.

In prison Dressler defends his case and Valkism but is found guilty and is executed. He unflinchingly walked before the firing squad, unafraid and undaunted.

Göring kills himself similar to OTL, while Adolf Hitler as Finance Minister is imprisoned and writes his autobiography Mein Kampf in prison which details the Rise and Fall of the Valkist Reich, as well as the inner workings of the Party and Government during the war. Hitler is released in the mid 50s and lives the rest of his life as an amateur painter whose main income is a government pension and royalties from his book.

Valkism remains a somewhat popular ideology though is overshadowed by National Populism as a whole. The only major war crimes done by the Reich were execution of Communist officials, shootings of resistance members in various countries and several instances of executing political and military prisoners and especially the increased euthanasia of the mentally retarded and physically handicapped but no racial extermination as seen by the Nazis and the Valkists’ euthanasia program wasn’t as expansive as the Nazis but more so than most nations in this world.

I’ll add to this and edit later. Currently at work. Thoughts on this? I’ll also clean up what I’ve written to make it easier to read and follow.

i really like this timeline... here's hoping Fuherriech would be continuously updated, like KR is.

 

[Vince]

Ooh, that would be neat to see. It might be tied to how much of a mechanical puppet they are?

Eh in my NE playthrough you have to make a great effort through the focus tree to restore legitimacy as you claim to be the US-successor and not a Canadian puppet. There's no mechanic besides two bad penalties at the start.

The problem is when Canada attacks the CSA in the Civil War you get steamrolled as you start with only 3 militia units. I got the white-peace event, built up level 3 land forts on the border with 30-divisions and tried again a few years later. The CSA busted through my defenses in three weeks with sheer numbers.

 

[Lord Insane]

Apparently one fellow went and calculated the probabilities in the civil war (for outset, including aversion, but not outcome since that relies on more uncertain factors). Unsurprisingly Olson averting the civil war is the rarest outcome, and MacArthur is the most common outcome (over half, actually). President Olson is overall slightly less likely than President Landon or President Garner, but since civil war averted is so rare, he is still the single most likely democratic Federal president in the civil war.

 

[ETGalaxy]

I've recently been watching Conquering History Games' Combined Syndicaties of America let's play, and in the Second Constitutional Convention a group called the Council of People's Deputies was mentioned. While they sounded like US representatives, just with more of a socialist and radical unionist flare, I was wondering if anyone here knows more about them and could be kind enough to provide some clarification.