London & North Eastern Railway I1 4-8-2

By 1938 the popularity of the Jubilee and Coronation high speed steam trains had become firmly established, and it was clear that a demand for longer and heavier trains would arise. A design for a more powerful version of the "A4" class was prepared, in which the boiler was to be raised from 250 lbs to 275 lbs per square inch thus increasing the tractive effort from 35.455 to 39,040 lbs. No further streamlined engines were built and instead it was reasoned that any appreciable in the average speed of the heavier express passenger trains could only be achieved but faster uphill running and to effect this improvement, designs for a three cylinder 4-8-2 locomotive were put on the drawing board at Doncaster.

The locomotive had three 21"X26" cylinders and the same 70" driving wheels as the A3s, giving it a tractive effort of 45,700 lbs. The 6' 5" diameter boiler was to have a working pressure of 260 lbs, whilst the grate was going to be 50 sq ft. The boiler would have been interchangeable with the 'P2' class 'Cock of the North" engines. It featured an extended axle and greater adhesion. Sharing the three-cylinder layout and wheel dimensions of the A4, yet designed more like the A3, the I1 ran crack express trains between London and Aberdeen at high speeds, although none went higher than 115 mph. Thirty were built, all surviving into BR ownership as 8MT.

These engines proved themselves to be very effective at their jobs. They could take the trains from London to Edniburgh, Scotland at even better speed and power than the A1/A3. The entire class survived well into the era of nationalization. To the point that they were the very last LNER steamers to be retired from BR service. Even the standard 10MT 4-8-2 or the Peppercorn I2 Mountains weren't able to completely over pass them. Today, four are preserved, the most famous being 2250, named Bernard Montgomery, in the National Collection at York, and 2272, named Eleanor Roosevelt after the US First Lady, is on display the Americas Rail Museum in Jersey City.

Note: More A1/A3 types are preserved here than OTL.

Also ITTL, Edward Thompson was never the LNER CME at all.

Based on an idea for Deviantart.
 
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If you wanted an engine that swaps all out speed for consistency you could probably use smaller drivers. This might make it easier to get the big boiler through the relatively small Great Northern loading gauge south of Doncaster.
 
the West Coast Mainline, Britain’s premier mainline railway

Woah. WOAH. WOAH! any fule know that the EAST coast mainline is Britain’s premier mainline railway. As for the rest: Insert sad face here. Proper trains running on the WCML rather than Virgin Pendolino trains with their cramped narrow seats and dingy interiors. Such a lost opportunity. If only..............

PS - surely a couple of names would have been unveiled at Euston or Glasgow or Brum or Liverpool or Manchester as part of a PR bash somewhere and/or at an open day. BR loved to do namings at open days.

PPS - hopefully one of your ECML loco was named: Darlington - Birth Place of the Railways

PPPS - One named Naomi Campbell? Cant see that one. Not BR style At all. More likely: Polmadie Traction and Maintenance Depot or Crewe Electric - ISO 900047 ;-)
 
The biggest problem with that would be turntables and servicing facilities for a double-tendered Big Boy, I would think.

It could be arranged so that the second tender would be a "canteen" devoted exclusively to water and the first would be devoted largely to fuel, so you could detach the the second tender when necessary to do so.
 
Or you could upgrade the loading gauge...

Easier said than done theres plenty of tunnels, cuttings, stations, overbridges and other railway furniture to move, modify and replace. You have things like Copenhagen and Gasworks tunnels north of Kings Cross. 3 bores that go under lots of buildings.

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It could be arranged so that the second tender would be a "canteen" devoted exclusively to water and the first would be devoted largely to fuel, so you could detach the the second tender when necessary to do so.

That would work, but you would have to make sure it can run as quickly forwards as backwards and make sure it can be easily attached and detached quickly to make maintenance easier.
 

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Or you could upgrade the loading gauge...

Honestly, it would be cheaper and easier to build a new route than upgrade the loading gauge (part of the reason why HS2 is on).

You’d have to rebore most tunnels (a lot of them) rebuild viaducts (Berwick and Welwyn spring to mind, and Newcastle is thin enough they had to reduce quad track to triple track on the southern approach curve due to loading gauge concerns), and basically relay track along the whole route. All on a working railway...hence it being easier to build a new one. *cough*... the Great Central Main Line was build to a larger loading gauge.
 
It was decided in 1906 to electrify the Bury to Liverpool line which carried vast coal tonnage from the mines of Bury, Bolton, Wigan and Rainford plus all the L&YRs Trans Pennine passenger traffic. The enginers already knew the 3rd rail system and how to build power stations and power supply but decided the 3rd rail system while cheap wasnt capable of transmitting the power needed for heavy mineral trains on the steep banks. A small overhead line system was trialled in the goods yard at Aintree and the Walton to Maghull line. After a years trial it was decided an overhead 1500 volt DC system was the best using technology from the US and Europe.
I had not digested that part before.

Is that the line from Wigan Walgate-Manchester-Victoria-Rochdale and Todmorden to Leeds? If so the section from Bury to Castleton would probably be electrified too to allow the Trans-Pennine freight traffic to avoid Manchester.
 
I had not digested that part before.

Is that the line from Wigan Walgate-Manchester-Victoria-Rochdale and Todmorden to Leeds? If so the section from Bury to Castleton would probably be electrified too to allow the Trans-Pennine freight traffic to avoid Manchester.

The Liverpol to Goole Trans Pennine freight route doesnt need to go via Manchester Victoria or Leeds. The route is Liverpool Exchange, Rainford Junction, Wigan Wallgate, Bolton Trinity St, Bury Bolton St. Then onto Rochdale, Todmorden, Elland, Wakefield Kirkgate, Pontefract and Goole.

My thinking was without the intervention of WWI the route would be electrified onto Goole then Manchester Victoria, Halifax, Bradford, Leeds and Preston could be linked into the electrics.
 
The Liverpol to Goole Trans Pennine freight route doesnt need to go via Manchester Victoria or Leeds. The route is Liverpool Exchange, Rainford Junction, Wigan Wallgate, Bolton Trinity St, Bury Bolton St. Then onto Rochdale, Todmorden, Elland, Wakefield Kirkgate, Pontefract and Goole.
Thanks for the clarification.

Liverpool Exchange to Goole Docks by the shortest route (which happens to be yours) is 105 miles 77 chains according to the May, 1921 Railway Clearing House tables.

If you add in the 51-odd route miles that the L&YR electrified IOTL that's 156 route miles. As the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway was about 600 route miles long (including its share of joint lines) 25% of the Company's network will be electrified by 1921.
 
My thinking was without the intervention of WWI the route would be electrified onto Goole then Manchester Victoria, Halifax, Bradford, Leeds and Preston could be linked into the electrics.
I like your plan.

Manchester Victoria to Castleton North Junction (via Miles Platting) is 8 miles 66 chains so I can see it being included in the original scheme.

However, the routes to Leeds and Preston go over some joint lines and/or lines that belong to other companies that the L&YR had running powers over. They would need permission from those companies to do that.
 
General Electric GTEL Series

There are few places in the world where freight tonnage on one train could even come close to the log distances and lengthy, heavy loads of the seven railroads - Great Northern, Northern Pacific, Milwaukee Road, Union Pacific, Denver and Rio Grande Western, Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe and Southern Pacific - that cross the American Continental Divide, and it was no surprise then that in the age of steam the locomotives used on this route simply grew and grew and grew, ultimately culminating in the titanic Union Pacific Big Boys, Southern Pacific AC-11s and the 2-8-8-4 Yellowstones of the Northern Pacific and Denver and Rio Grande Western. These behemoths were some of the largest locomotives ever to steam and were capable of handling huge loads, but as the traction and economics of diesel locomotives came to the forefront in the 1950s, a problem was created - while the multiple-unit ability of diesels allowed as many locomotives as needed to be hooked up to handle a load, many railroads believed that they could have more efficient operations through having heavy trains led by fewer, more powerful engines. Many railroads considered Pennsylvania-style electrification, but while the Milwaukee Road's 3000-volt DC system was capable even it could - and sometimes did - run short of available power with the company's giant General Electric EF-4/EP-4 "Little Joes".

Into this came GE's plans for a gas turbine-electric locomotive. The first unit, developed and built by General Electric in 1948, was sent to Union Pacific for testing, as UP had envisioned the gas turbine-electric locomotives as a replacement for their mighty Big Boys. The experiment proved successful, and the first generation of such engines, the GTEL-1, began service with Union Pacific in 1952.

The GTEL-1 was a eight-axle unit with four trucks, with each pair connected by a span bolster, powered by a single General Electric gas turbine and a single Cummins backup diesel, driving all eight axles. The big turbines initially ran on Bunker C heavy fuel oil - a cheap source of fuel but one which required heaters built into the fuel tanks of the locomotives to make the very thick, low-viscosity fuel able to be pumped into the turbines. This fuel proved difficult to handle in other ways - the corrosive ash built up as a result of turbine operation caused problems with turbine blade erosion that plagued all of the turbines early in their lives. Despite the technical difficulties the turbines were very powerful - the GTEL produced 4,500 horsepower, over double what was available from diesel-electric locomotives at the time - and Union Pacific, pleased with the power results, quickly ordered a second generation of the locomotives, the GTEL-2. The GTEL-2, known to railfans as 'Verandas' for their distinctive hybrid of a carbody and hood locomotive, were evolutionary improvements of the original, and all GTELs gained fuel tenders in 1957-58 to allow them to travel greater distances than their traditional territories on UP's Overland Route, and the turbines could - and did - steadily allow the retirement of the Big Boys, as well as getting the attention of the Southern Pacific and Rio Grande, both of whom began trialing GTEL-2s on their roads in 1956. UP also developed a way for the Turbines to multiple-unit with diesel locomotives in 1957, and eventually all first and second-generation units were equipped as such.

The GTEL-3, however, was where things changed. The GTEL-3 was a three-unit locomotive, with the A unit housing a Cooper-Bessemer diesel engine, cab and control systems and cooling radiators, while the B unit contained the main turbine and generators and the C unit was the 24,000-gallon fuel tender, all three units riding on a pair of powered three-axle trucks under each unit. Producing some 8,500 horsepower (and that claimed at 6000 feet of elevation and 90-degree heat) to eighteen driven axles, the power of the GTEL-3 was immense - the locomotives were routinely used for 6700-ton loads on the Union Pacific's Overland Route, and even with that the GTEL-3s were outfitted for multiple-unit operation if the loads were even higher.

The huge power of the locomotive was matched by its prodigious thirst for fuel, which proved problematic to say the least. The problem with turbine blade erosion and soot buildup was even more pronounced here than in other units, and improved abilities by the petroleum industry to better refine fuel oil and the use of Bunker C as a plastics production feedstock dramatically increased the price on the locomotives, making the turbines very expensive to operate. The Union Pacific, realizing this and knowing the locomotive builders were getting better and better at improving power on conventional diesel-electric locomotives, began retiring the turbines in 1963, striking all of GTEL-1 and GTEL-2 units from service in April 1964, by which point both SP and Rio Grande had both long done the same.

But just after the units were retired, Canadian National Railway bought all 27 of the first two generations of the locomotives built in May 1964, and all twenty-seven were delivered to CN's legendary Transcona Shops in Winnipeg, Manitoba. The Transcona shops, famous for the complete classes of 2-8-4s built from obsolescent 2-8-0s during the Great Depression, created the GTEL-2TR, stripping the locomotives to their frames and rebuilding them with new Rolls-Royce Marine Spey gas turbines in (crucially) a combined cycle mode, using a water tank in place of the original fuel tank using the Veranda and the use of heat exchangers in the exhaust and geared steam turbines. All of the units were modified to GTEL-2 exterior designs, using the upper roof of the Verandas as condensers for the water for the combined cycle system. The tenders on these units used the same B+B-B+B truck arrangement and were motorized, and the turbines were built to run on the same diesel fuel as other locomotives.

The first of these units, CN 2000, began testing in April 1966, and true to what many had expected, its power was immense - over 10,500 horsepower was available at full power and the sixteen powered axles of the GTEL-2TR, thanks to new Siemens traction motors built into trucks. Fuel efficiency was dramatically improved, as the newer turbine and combined-cycle unit improved efficiency to a remarkable degree. CN happily ordered the other 26 for rebuilds in January 1967, and all of the GTEL-2HRs entered CN service between September 1967 and November 1968. GE, more than a little stunned by the results of the Canadian rebuilds, quickly took in retired unit UP 22 and set to work, ditching the aged Frame 5 gas turbine for a new unit based on the TF34 turbofan developed for the military S-3 Viking jet.

The GTEL-4, unveiled in July 1970, was the result. The GTEL-4 also abandoned the use of fuel oil, instead going with liquified propane, with an all-new tender to suit this. Propane fuel and better metallurgy all but eliminated the problems with turbine wear of previous locomotives and also dramatically reduced the air pollution resulting from it. The unit used all-new trucks borrowed from the E60C electric locomotive, and the new electrical components could handle every bit of the locomotive's prodigious power. GE dispensed with the use of a combined-cycle unit, preferring instead to use Stirling engines instead to capture energy from the turbine's exhaust on the grounds of less complexity and lower maintenance costs. A tractive effort of 260,000 lbs - a world record still to be beaten - and the use of short gearing and larger wheels gave the locomotives immense starting power and pulling power. The unit also dispensed with the old Cooper-Bessemer auxillary diesel in favor of a GE-built 7FDL8 unit, The nosed cab of the A unit was replaced with a cab design similar to the E60C and the electrical control systems were all water cooled to improve reliability.

The propane-fueled monster quickly proved its worth for UP's freight haulers, and the other 29 units of the UP fleet were sent to GE for rebuilds starting in April 1971. To the happiness of GE and UP (and somewhat to CN's chargin) the energy crisis hit not long after the turbines were delivered to UP, and the sudden rise in diesel fuel prices suddenly gave the propane-fueled turbines a considerable economic advantage. The Rio Grande was the first new-build order, ordering twelve units from GE in March 1974, with Santa Fe ordering twenty-five two months later and Southern Pacific buying eighteen in January 1975. All units were delivered to their owners in 1976, and they went on to have long lives. The UP units, re-commissioned into the fleet in 1972 and 1973, went right back to being the heavyweights of the Overland Route, and they were as good as everyone expected at it. Despite proposals to do so, CN's GTEL-2TRs remained fueled by diesel fuel through their operational lives, differing from the other units in that important way.

On April 16, 1986, the problems of propane fueling of the locomotives became apparent when Rio Grande unit 1006, at the head of a heavy manifest train, slammed into the back of a stopped coal train doing nearly 60 mph in Grand Junction, Colorado, destroying the units and severely damaging the nearly-full fuel tank, which was subsequently buried in the rubble and was unknown to the firefighters arrived to fight the blaze. It exploded as fire crews were attempting to fight the blaze, in the process causing six tank cars behind it loaded with toluene, polyproplene and liquified natural gas to explode in two subsequent explosions. Thirty-nine people, including twenty-five members of the Grand Junction fire department and Colorado State Police died in the explosions, and over 70 people suffered injuries as a result. Investigations of the crash found that the locomotive was overdue for a fuel tank inspection. Furious, the state of Colorado banned the use of propane-powered locomotives in the state, at a stroke forcing Rio Grande to either convert or sell its eleven remaining units - they chose to do the latter, trading the units to the Santa Fe for twenty-five SD40-2s in November 1986. But the high-profile disaster at Grand Junction led to the NTSB investigating all of the turbines for flaws. Few had any and none were safety-deficient, but the high-profile press made the locomotives look dangerous, and the state of California used its own leverage to force Southern Pacific to refit or replace its locomotives in 1987.

SP chose to work with GE on rebuilding the GTEL-4s to run on diesel fuel, rebuilding all of its units at its Sacramento Shops. Santa Fe quickly followed, doing the same with its units at its shops in Cleburne, Texas. The resulting GTEL-4R lost out a little on power and lost out more on fuel efficiency, but the rebuilds at both Sacramento and Cleburne also saw the Dash 8 Series' microprocessor control units fitted to the Turbines and many other improvements made to the units. UP persisted with the use of propane power, but after the disaster at Grand Junction public pressure forced UP to keep them out of major cities, effectively limiting their range to the section of the Overland Route between Kearney, Nebraska, and Odgen, Utah. Facing this and with rising operational costs and increasing diesel engine power, UP announced the turbines' retirement in 1994, with all of them removed from service between September 1994 and June 1995.

SP and ATSF units, however, had rather more life left in them yet thanks to their late-1980s rebuilds, as they remained key pieces of both railroads' heavy freight operations well into the 2000s. The 'Bird Burners', as Santa Fe crews somewhat-infamously called them, were particularly useful on difficult high-traffic lines and regions such as SP's tough Salt Lake Division over Donner Pass and along the fast-paced ATSF Transcon, particularly in its Arizona and New Mexico divisions. Improvements in the turbines continued to make the locomotives more efficient with every passing overhaul, much to the approval of both railroads. The ATSF began withdrawing the mighty turbines in 2005, with the last ones being retired in the winter of 2007. The SP units saw their last service in the late 2000s as well, most frequently in heavy freight service on Cajon and Tehachapi passes and on the Salt Lake Division. By the time of their retirements, however, they had become so well liked by railfans that the company ran a series of excursions across Donner Pass led by SP 7000 in the summer of 2008, giving the Gas Turbine Electric one last hurrah before retirement.
 
Lima Standard BF 2-8-4

After the success of the MD 4-8-0, Lima approached Andre Chapelon with some ideas for the next Lima Standard engine. In the end, it was decided that this engine would be built to the design Lima used for the engines operated on the Chesapeake & Ohio, Nickel Plate, and Pere Marquette. the BF was different due to the innovations used like Porta's Gas Production Combustion System (GPCS), Lempor Exhaust System, and Porta's new water treatment system. The engine was mainly visually different in the former of the double belpaire firebox, a vestibule cab, and a 12 wheel tender designed so that it could run backwards and the crew could still see well.

The BF locomotive was first purchased by the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad in 1955. Which first used them for use on long-haul coal trains over the Sand Patch Grade in Maryland and Pennsylvania, where they even hauled a few passenger trains. Despite their success, the BF was not heavily used by the other Northeastern roads. Not even the Chesapeake & Ohio ordered the BF, preferring to stay with their surplus of pre-existing Berkshires.

In the end, only 120 engines were operated in the eastern USA, all by the Baltimore & Ohio or Missouri Pacific. However, they did find successful service in other nations like in South America and Africa.

Today, a few of the BFs are still operated in China and South Africa in industrial use. One of the B&O types are preserved at the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Museum.
 
... the Great Central Main Line was build to a larger loading gauge.
How useful would the Great Central be nowadays if they hadn't shut it down or more likely shut it down but not allowed building on it? I have vague memories of reading that it would be potentially more biased towards freight than passengers but that was some time ago so I might well be misremembering.
 
Locomotive: Antelope class

Configuration: 4-6-0 broad Gauge

Company: Great Western Railway


Years of production: 1892 to 1904

The Antelope class were the first 4-6-0 locos to be built for the GWR and the first 10 wheelers built for a British railway company.

The GWRs 7 foot broad gauge known as Brunel gauge allowed for bigger rolling stock than was possible on standard gauge but before 1870 the policy of the management had been to keep locos small and train loads light. Standard gauge being built by other companies had begun by 1870 to encroach on the GWRs territory in South-West England, South Midlands and South Wales, particulary the valuable coal traffic from Wales and the Forest of Dean. The GWR was not allowed to build any new Brunel gauge track outside its territory so gaining new traffic by extending its territory was out. The GWR was forced to change its small engine policy and decided to build new large rolling stock out to the maximum of its loading gauge and save money by running fewer larger trains.

The first new big engines were fairly standard 4-4-0s and 0-6-0s but the locomotive design team saw how new 4-6-0 passenger and 2-8-0 freight locos were revolutionising transport in the USA, Canada, South Africa and Australia and decided this was the direction to go. In 1890 a new standard boiler was designed and tested at Swindon works it was big and with a much deeper firebox than any previous British engine. It was to be the standard for a new type of loco a 4-6-0 express passenger but would also be used for a mixed traffic 4-6-0 and heavy freight 2-8-0.

In May 1892 the first of the new High Power locos rolled out of Swindon to the astonishment of the British press who were used to much smaller engines, it gleamed in GWR Brunswick Green with Crimson Lake underframes and Vermillion wheels it also had lots and lots and lots of shiny Brass. After running in on the Bristol to Exeter trains the day came in July when with the tender piled high with finest washed Welsh Steam coal usually kept for the Royal Train the Antelope steamed out of Cheltenham station at the head of the 10.06 Cheltenham Flyer to Paddington express which had until recently been the fastest regular train in the world a title recently lost to the New York Central line. The line was cleared of all slow trains and all signal boxes received a 5 bell code to not impede the Flyer a code usually reserved for the Royal Train. The Antelope built up speed steadily but by the time Swindon was reached the Flyer was touchinging 70mph and averaging 52mph. The rest of the line from Swindon to Maidenhead is known as Brunels billiard table and the driver was able to put the regulator on full and link up the Stephenson valve gear to maximum expansion. Between Swindon and the famous Maidenhead Viaduct the average speed was 72.5mph and even slowing into Paddington station only dropped the average speed from Cheltenham to 65mph.

The Antelope was met in London with a lightning storm of flash bulbs and all the headlines across the world the next morning were of the astonishing new express locomotive. More 4-6-0 Express locos were built and the GWR gloried in the publicity of the fastest railway in the world for many years but the real locomotive that saved the GWR Brunel gauge was the dirty coal hauling 2-8-0 and 2-8-2Tanks.
 
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