Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

[Peppe]

Still got an independent Switzerland, though. Damn, that place really is eternal.

Someone: Switzerland, what your thoughts in becoming part of a union of Central-European nations?

Switzerland: Not today Satan, not today!

 

[Linbot]

I really can’t vouch for any map that assumes Britain and Italy should be in the same supranational Union.

Also how is the NE group supposed to even work? It’s just OTL Russia, but unwieldier. “Poland” could really be its own group.

Also the Caucasus deserves its own supranational Union.

Actually, this whole union idea/thing is ASB (especially for the early 20th century) and wouldn’t help anything even if it were implemented.

 

[jerseyguy]

I really can’t vouch for any map that assumes Britain and Italy should be in the same supranational Union.

Also how is the NE group supposed to even work? It’s just OTL Russia, but unwieldier. “Poland” could really be its own group.

Also the Caucasus deserves its own supranational Union.

Actually, this whole union idea/thing is ASB (especially for the early 20th century) and wouldn’t help anything even if it were implemented.

This is like the early twentieth century equivalent of bad AH maps where space-filling empires take up most of Africa, Asia and Latin America, or the POD is in 1300 but the Russia-Kazakh border is still the same. The Polish Lithuania Commonwealth's eastern border is this map's equivalent of "that damned Kazakh border" trope. Poland's interwar eastern border closely resembled the second partition, but even that territory would only be stable with Ukrainian and Belarusian autonomy similar to OTL Scotland or Catalonia.

 

[Linbot]

Also in the future the world is covered by space filling empires whose names all start with “The”.

 

[Mr. Bubbles]

Also in the future the world is covered by space filling empires whose names all start with “The”.

Or names that end in "-ia"

 

[ninel]

1945 proposals for border between Poland and RSFSR:

 

[Vuu]

Please tell me this is just very, very loose federations, because I can't imagine how uniting the Balkans together would bring peace.

This one would actually work though

 

[Thon Taddeo]

1945 proposals for border between Poland and RSFSR:

Are you sure those are proposals? The text says:

A: Border in February 1945
B: Border in August 1945
V: Border from 1956 to 1998
G: Border with Lithuania

 

[Chris S]

1945 proposals for border between Poland and RSFSR:

Are those proposals or the actual borders in February 1945, August 1945 and then in 1956? Because it sounds more like these were the actual provisional borders from February 1945 to August 1945 and then from August 1945 until January 1, 1956.

Edit: Ninja'd

But even so, if these were the actual borders then it would be very good for the historical QBAMs and larger sized BAMs.

 

[ninel]

Are those proposals or the actual borders in February 1945, August 1945 and then in 1956?

AFAIK, only proposals, and the first one supposedly dates to the Teheran Conference in 1943, that is 2 years earlier than the caption suggests. The second one was a rough draft, and only third one was actually established.

 

[Thon Taddeo]

The administrative divisions of Italian East Africa.

 

[H.Flashman(VC)]

AFAIK, only proposals, and the first one supposedly dates to the Teheran Conference in 1943, that is 2 years earlier than the caption suggests. The second one was a rough draft, and only third one was actually established.

But what about those years then? Why are they mentioned here?

 

[ninel]

But what about those years then? Why are they mentioned here?

I guess the supposed meaning was “borders as agreed at the date …” or something like that.

 

[Thon Taddeo]

Map of the Republic of China's Mongolian Area, from 1933. OTL, China never controlled Outer Mongolia, even though it claimed it.

http://www.maphub.cn/map/m679c

 

[Isaac Beach]

I found this meme, though I'm not sure of the veracity. It's actually a nice shaped border, anyone got a patch for that?

 

[damein fisher]

I found this meme, though I'm not sure of the veracity. It's actually a nice shaped border, anyone got a patch for that?

Can anyone also provide some sort of source for that?

 

[Ashtagon]

I found this qyora image: https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Argentina-not-get-involved-in-the-War-of-the-Pacific

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captaincy_General_of_Chile

Wikipedia's map of the captaincy-general shows the claimed portion of eastern Patagonia which forms the basis for the strange map.

 

[Entrerriano]

I found this meme, though I'm not sure of the veracity. It's actually a nice shaped border, anyone got a patch for that?

As an Argentinian I can tell you that previous to the Conquest of the Desert and the establishment of official borders in Patagonia, both Chile and Argentina claimed all of it. For logistical reasons, Chile never managed to cross the Andes and settle there. However, it's not uncommon to see Chilean textbooks that show all of Patagonia as being part of Chile.
If you were to make a map of this, it would be more like a claim than actual control.

 

[Thon Taddeo]

This isn't as much as a proposal but rather something which actually existed for like almost ten years. These are the PRoC's territorial subdivisions in 1949, and they mostly stayed like this until the late 1950s. Provinces and autonomous regions are in blue, territories in pink, separate municipalities in red. Since there are proposals to divide the bigger Chinese provinces even today, this is something one could easily draw inspiration from. Here is a list with all the data on them, including their abolition dates.

I found a bigger version.

 

[Thanksforallthefish]

Chile never controlled all of Patagonia, but did claim it. Argentina also claimed all of Patagonia up to the peaks of the Andes. Also this map shows several provinces that were never under Chile's control.

I found this meme, though I'm not sure of the veracity. It's actually a nice shaped border, anyone got a patch for that?