Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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I imagine this included basically colonies/communities of Belgians, Flemings, or Walloons in general. And I feel we should see your sources on some of these.
I did, and it was a really good one!
It seems like Belgium hardly ever gets any attention in alternate history, which is a real shame, especially with insanely ambitious plans like these.
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Well
they got the Congo and Santo Tomas
so like... 1.5/~50 potential colonies
Here you go, Belgium, take this:
Dr. Evil spent his childhood summers in Belgium, if that counts for anything.
While the list is impressive, there's no much sourcing there, even in the philosophy's essay footnotes you're linking, tough.
I searched a bit, and this is what I found
It mentions Guatemala, New Hebridae, Congo (I mean, of course), Ethiopia, etc. But note that all of these papers are NOT systematically about colonial projects as such : for instance the Compagnie de Colonisation du Guatemala was not about taking over the territory of Guatemala, but a colony in the sense of establishing a litteral settlement of Belgians and Belgian owners there to tie local economies and population to Belgium, as you had settlements of Europeans and Americans in Latin America in the XIXth and XXth
I think there might be a certain...hastiness trying to consider colonies' projects in Florida or India as being litterally the same than what was made in Congo.
Well yes, that's true. I just wanted to make a map that shows all the places that Belgium wanted and considered. Even if they weren't finalized ideas, the idea of them is fascinatingly bizarre
Thing is, it's less Belgium as such (Belgium had a certain anti-colonial stress during most of the XIXth, partially coming from the ideal of neutrality among the population) than various companies, individual prospects, or even brief mentions of "hey, wouldn't a colony look cool there?" in official accunts collected by a Leopold II going cold turkey on its colonial addiction.
IIRC there's a paper from the University of Texas that talks about Leopold I's colonial ambitions, though it focuses on four projects in particular (off the top of my head I can only recall Santo Tomás, some project to buy up large tracts of the southern Amazon from Brazil and Paraguay, and I think something in Guinea)
Well
they got the Congo and Santo Tomas
so like... 1.5/~50 potential colonies
Here you go, Belgium, take this:
So that's where the star comes from.
Compulsory listening by order of the glorious Generalissimo (click on Chiang's face):
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Considering the map linked to doesn't have internal boundaries for China, but does have those boundaries between the Siberian areas, I would say those might have been satteliate states. As the person mentioned, they weren't going to try translating it.
Nope. I'm from Hong Kong and I can read traditional Chinese. The Chinese there clearly marks the areas out as Provinces. From East to West:
Taiping Province (lit. Great Peace)
Zhongxing Province (lit. Central Prosperity)
Yongning Province (lit. Eternal Peace)
Yongan Province (lit. Eternal Pacification)
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Love it. Eternal Pacification for Central Asia? Brilliant. Your map does seem to have an issue or two, though. When I look up historical administrative divisions for China, it shows the ROC having the two areas to the. East of the Tibet Area as unified. Suppose it might come down to the difference between facts on paper and facts on the ground, though. Which year of basemap did you use for China?
Ah--thanks for the tip. It's the basemap--missed out that part when I was colouring Tibet as a province. I'll fix that.
Definetly all comes down to the years, and I a man sure the ROC would have made some more changes in the areas around the Han heartlands. I think they also might have been a bit different borders in Manchuria, but given the ROC didn't control that land long, if at all, they it was probably all on paper as well.