Max Sinister
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It's a new twist, but how did this Eastern European Union grab Russia's second-biggest city? The Russians wouldn't be happy, to say the least.
Of course, Eastern Europe being best buds with Russia seems ASBish ATM.
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It's a new twist, but how did this Eastern European Union grab Russia's second-biggest city? The Russians wouldn't be happy, to say the least.
Of course, Eastern Europe being best buds with Russia seems ASBish ATM.
Max Sinister
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No Germanic neo-pagans? These neonazis seem to have a thing for that. (And I know that not all neo-pagans are nazis, fortunately.)
There's difference between fighting in two fronts and fighting almost all Europe. Germany and GB could have held their own sure but won easily? I don't think so.
GB and Germany probably would have won any colonial wars ITTL thanks to the beast that is the Royal Navy, but the continental war is a different story. I struggle to see even the fighting force that is WWI Germany holding off invasions on three fronts, backed up by Italian manpower as well. And whilst Britain can send men to support their ally, can they send enough to counter all 4 powers whilst also fighting the Ottomans and the colonial war? Again I'm not convinced.
Oh and lastly, Britain did not lose the most men in OTL WWI, that dubious honour goes to Russia (among Allies) and Germany (of the Central Powers) who at around 1,700,000 casualties each both lost 800,000 more men than Britain.
I afforded the member the opportunity to explain his reasoning. Since there were in the neighborhood of a half dozen reports on the post as a Mod I sort of had to react to it.
Skallagrim
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Russia is totally collapsed and disintegrated at this point in the timeline, and has been for a while now.
Some general background: the whole premise of the scenario is that (per my Spenglerian view of history) the latter half of the 21st century will see a big collapse of "the West". Total political and economic failure, which is then followed by autocracy and ultimately an Imperial phase. The twist is that the West isn't analogous to Rome in this version (as most Spenglerians tend to imagine) but is in fact Greece. Islamic culture is actually Rome's analogue here, and Europe gets co-opted and integrated by it the same way Greece was by the Romans. The Imperial phase sure starts, just as Spengler predicted... but the Empire is actually the Caliphate. (It even has wide hegemony, since the differences between branches of Islam are no more relevant in 2200 than those between Catholics and Protestants in 2018-- as such, Dar al-Islam is unified as a NATO-like alliance, with Paris in the leading role.)
As I've mentioned elsewhere, I'm working on this scenario as one of a set, showing different manifestations of the Spenglerian cycle-- thus demonstrating how different the particulars can be, while the general cycle remains clearly in place. In this version, the "radical right" (for lack of a better world) in the West peaks early, and is thus revealed as populism that offers no solutions. Because it peaks before the democratic states collapse, it is also unable to implement any truly radical measures. Which means that the "alt-right" is basically over (as we know it) by the time the West collapses-- having been supplanted by a wave of neo-socialist populism that offers no real solutions, either. (Because "kill the rich!!!" is no more sensible a position than "kill the foreigners!!!")
This is the backdrop for the collapse. Russia, after Putin, went back to something very much like Yeltsin's government. This was... not good. It only became worse and worse, leading to a neo-communist coup and dictatorship. This fell apart spectacularly, leading to military anarchy. By 2200, we're looking at the last tail-ends of a protracted warlord period. European Russia has mostly re-united, and further east is a group of affiliated states. Plans to re-unite Russia as a truly cohesive entity are thus far tentative, and the current regime is militarist. An enlightened clique of young officers is planning a "National Renewal", however, which might improve things vastly.
During the dark times, when "Russia" was just a bunch of warlords killing each other in the ruins of a failed state, several post-Russian statelets were either absorbed into the nascent Holy Union or joined voluntarily, as Russia itself was nothing more than a memory at that point.
...my apologies, I've written down far more than what you actually asked.
I think the obsession with neo-paganism among these thugs is nothing but a fad. It goes away when the alt-right burns out. The obsession with "tradition", held by certain reactionaries, turns out to be more lasting. The Holy Union is deeply committed to an arch-reactionary belief system that reject Modernity, and holds the view that the "occupation" of Western Europe is God's punishment for a fallen world. The loony terrorists take that sort of bullshit and run wild with it.
That's what I did with my "Hatsunia in 2046" map, except it's with the 1980s/cyberpunk "fear" of Japan "taking over the world" economically and technologically.
Max Sinister
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Taking the Untergang literally, I see.
Well, every culture has several powers, usually. Someone has to be Greece, so to speak.
Does that mean that these Muslims take religion less serious?
Several scenarios? That's nice of course.
This could mean anything and nothing. What's behind the slogan?
I dunno, thugs seem to have a thing for Vikings.
Did they also give up technology? Parts of it, at least? I don't know how bad the situation is.
Skallagrim
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In this case... quite. Although it's in part because the Caliphate of Paris is such a success. If it had been magically absent, but all other things remained equal, some sort of autocracy would have risen up out of the ruins of Europe, no doubt. Or rather: something very much like the Holy Union would just cover the whole continent. (So "Muslims saved Europe" is literally what happened here. Suck on that, nazis!)
Exactly.
Not at all. I see the world becoming more religious, not less. It's just that the mindset has shifted towards a more... eucemenical one. It has a lot to do with the fact that by 2200, the general attitude among Muslims is that they represent the civilised and well-mannered portion of humanity (something they can back up with concrete achievements), quite unlike those Christians ("so often violent and boorish"). That causes a certain haughtiness that will come to bite them a century later, though.
Well, one hopes. The one diametrically opposed to this one is interesting but inevitably horrible and I don't like working on it as much. The two would work best if presented together, though. (Together, they illustrate the point. this one shows how the predictions of fearmongers would not be terrible, if they did come to pass. The other must show that the proposed "solutions" would be terrible.)
There are of course many possibilities in between -- one of which I'd expect to actually resemble the real future -- but presenting the two extremes together would allow for a nice contrast.
A somewhat nebulous desire to stp being a paranoid state with a siege mentality, and to allocate a lot of the absurdly high military budget to economically worth-while goals. And giving up on irridentism and being open to trade instead. The thinking of the young officers is that if they actually have something to offer, the associated states will have a reason to want to federate with them again. (Which is correct, by the way.)
Sure, but I don't think the affinity for actual paganism runs deep. If it did, they'd have to stop being nazis.
Nah, the whole idea that being reactionary also has to mean giving up technology always surprises me. you've got groups that reject technology, but the key point is far more often to give up "Modern" values and ideas. That said, being arch-reactionary and generally hostile to others isn't a good way to get ahead when it comes to science and technology. (See: the Nazis and their disdain for "Jewish science".)
Danzig Campaign
The first stages on the Eastern Front saw the German army pushed right back to the Oder River much to the surprise of the German Military Command. Many had placed the blame of the indecisiveness in the organisation of the army with the length it took to choose who was going to be the first target – Russia or France. The Empire of Russia made the choice for them with their advances.
The Early Russian Victories encouraged the Russian Army, hoping for them to soon swiftly marching into Berlin and ending the war. Many saw this as retribution of the Russian spirit after the disastrous war with Japan in 1905, this included that of Tsar Nicholas II who proceeded to appoint himself as head of the Russian Army against the best wishes of the Russian Generals. His hope was to improve his image in his nation as this victorious conqueror of the Germans and gaining much needed prestige.
Though his self-appointment had little real impact in terms of commanding the Russian Army as his position was little more than a figure-head with him at least letting the Generals get on with their jobs – the appointment would intern prove poorly timed. On February 15th Britain and her Empire joined the war on the side of the Allied Powers. Though it was directly the involvement of Britain that turned the tide in the east it gave the German Empire much needed support as the BEFE [British Expeditionary Force in Europe] backed up German Forces in both fronts – notably the BEFE 1st Corps venture into the Danzig Pocket relieving some pressure.
The Danzig-East Prussia Campaign was the first major Allied Power’s gain of the war. The newly formed 9 Armee was able to route the Russians at Seelow Heights and Stettin in Early 1916, swinging north with the BEFE 1st Corps pinning a large group of the Russian 2nd Army against the Baltic coast – taking some 100,000 prisoner.
Later the 9 Armee and the BEFE 3rd Corps relieved remnants of the German 8 Armee in the Tuchel Pocket before pushing the Russian 10th Army towards Warsaw. The Russians would eventually be pushed out of East Prussia shortly after the conclusion of the Danzig Campaign with the Capture of Konigsburg on September 3rd leading to the Baltic Campaign the following year.
The Early Russian Victories encouraged the Russian Army, hoping for them to soon swiftly marching into Berlin and ending the war. Many saw this as retribution of the Russian spirit after the disastrous war with Japan in 1905, this included that of Tsar Nicholas II who proceeded to appoint himself as head of the Russian Army against the best wishes of the Russian Generals. His hope was to improve his image in his nation as this victorious conqueror of the Germans and gaining much needed prestige.
Though his self-appointment had little real impact in terms of commanding the Russian Army as his position was little more than a figure-head with him at least letting the Generals get on with their jobs – the appointment would intern prove poorly timed. On February 15th Britain and her Empire joined the war on the side of the Allied Powers. Though it was directly the involvement of Britain that turned the tide in the east it gave the German Empire much needed support as the BEFE [British Expeditionary Force in Europe] backed up German Forces in both fronts – notably the BEFE 1st Corps venture into the Danzig Pocket relieving some pressure.
The Danzig-East Prussia Campaign was the first major Allied Power’s gain of the war. The newly formed 9 Armee was able to route the Russians at Seelow Heights and Stettin in Early 1916, swinging north with the BEFE 1st Corps pinning a large group of the Russian 2nd Army against the Baltic coast – taking some 100,000 prisoner.
Later the 9 Armee and the BEFE 3rd Corps relieved remnants of the German 8 Armee in the Tuchel Pocket before pushing the Russian 10th Army towards Warsaw. The Russians would eventually be pushed out of East Prussia shortly after the conclusion of the Danzig Campaign with the Capture of Konigsburg on September 3rd leading to the Baltic Campaign the following year.
The United Kingdom does not restrict Jewish immigration to Palestine. About 1.5 million Jews emmigrate to Palestine between 1920 and 1932 that number is increased with the arrival of another 1 million of Jews fleeing persecution in Europe after the rise of Nazism in 1933. The British neither restrict the purchase of land by the Jewish National Fund, the Arab effendis sell huge plots of land across the Coastal Plain, the Jordan Valley and the Samarian and Judean mountains. With the immigration of the Arab ruling class many Arab peasants begin to migrate as well, specially to Transjordan and Syria.
By 1947 Palestine has a population of 4 million people, 3 million of them Jewish and about 1 million Arabs. One year later the Mandate comes to an end and the State of Israel is declared, most of the world recognize the new country, except for Syria and Egypt whom try to invade and split the country among them. After a six-month war, Israel defeats Egypt and Syria and a peace treaty is signed with them.
Today Israel has a population of 10 million inhabitants, 7 million are Jews and 2.5 million Arabs. It is the most developed country in the Middle East, with a strong economy based on technological innovation. It has good relations with its Arab neighbors, especially with Lebanon, Jordan and Bahrain.
If only I made maps, I might jump on the bandwagon. Instead of always flooding Africa from some Antlaeuropa, I think it would do much better to to the the Pannonia Plains, or st least to dam the Danube. Just think of the fishing Europeans could get in their freshwater lake. Plus if done st the right time period, it could lead to the Hungarians actually being a majority in Slovakia and Transylvania. If done during WWI the Entente and newly formed states would need to deal with a hoard of inland pirates. Of course Romania and Bulgaria would have issues due to the. River making most of their border drying up, but what can you do? Nothing but sit back, enjoy the sun, and read a good book on the Johnstown Flood.
Whats the worse that could happen? Bahrain annexes Kuwait and Iraq?
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