Map Thread XVIII

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I'm just saying it's seen as a fact that the US will always exist, always be Anglo,

I'm calling BS on this. Please link to some maps/scenarios which show the US still existing with pre-Jamestown PODs: indeed, with pre-1700 PODs. I think you will find they are pretty rare for anything at all rcent.
 
The HSR, from what I've read, was able to keep enough support to function, on the back of "we'll get our lands back!" - IOTL, this promptly fell to pieces after the Slovak Soviet Republic was proclaimed, and the Hungarian Red Army fell to pieces as it was being turned on Romania. Here, Slovakia is being administered as part of Hungary, go the regime retains its admittedly fragile backing. It's far from stable, and the main routes from here are either losing the war entirely, going North Korea or winning, then exploding or being coup'ed into next week anyways.

Germany is not really in a position to mobilize against Hungary; the demobilization of the army is only recently completed, and the pool of volunteers has shrunk drastically due to the movement of the Freikorps to the east, to fight against the Bolsheviks. Despite this, it's something the HSR is rather worried about - the Hungarian-Czechoslovak armistice happens as a result.



Definitely. I'm unfortunately not as well-versed in French interwar politics as I'd like to be, but it's something I'm planning on looking into. Interestingly enough, they seem to have had an almost Weimar-esque setup going on for a while, with both republican and anti-republican factions having significant influence.



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Hungary, for all it ealry success, will bit off more bite off more than they can chew and you have mention all the ways it will and shall fail. I do picture Bosnia and Croatia-Slavonia looking to Italy for aid (The Italians are taking they land, but they be scared to death of the Hungarian Reds.) and they do what the Romanians did in OTL and take over Budapest. Or the Romaines do it all on they own and beat the shit out of the HSR. Or Germany and the Prussian League rest for a few years, and bring down the hammer on Hungary after the Bolsheviks are beaten.

To France, it has lost the Great War. America has fail to help it, and Alsace-Lorraine is still German. All of it shal be embitter with so much lost and nothing to show for it. France could go Red, it could go Fascist, it could go anywhere.
 
Threw this together last night. Part of The Great Liberator TL (i.e the Bolivaria TL). South-East Asia in 1995.

So what's with the Netherlands in Exile? Are the Dutch at home a republic? And how assimilated is the royal family to the native population, or at least how much of the population is European?
 
So what's with the Netherlands in Exile? Are the Dutch at home a republic? And how assimilated is the royal family to the native population, or at least how much of the population is European?

The United Kingdom of the Netherlands replaced the Kingdom of the Netherlands after the Great War (1934-53). The UKN was established by the parts of Dutch and Belgian aristocracy that still didn't like this whole "democracy" and "liberalism" thing, adopting the Integralist Republic style of government that Germany spread to much of Europe. Living standards are alright, but democracy is very limited. Here's a link to the world map of this TL in '71, it explains stuff about integralism and the Great War.

The population is still majority native, but there is a large minority of Europeans. A lot of Europeans immigrated after decolonisation out of a (mostly) unjustified fear of persecution in the new post-colonial states.
 
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Here we have the world of Ward Moore's 1952 novel Bring the Jubilee, which was touted as a "realistic" outcome of a Confederate victory in the Civil War. In this case, Lee winning at Gettysburg causes all of this to happen. The oversized steampunk CSA has annexed Latin America, abolished slavery, welcomes immigrants, and is on the brink of war with their greatest rivals, the German Union, formed when the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires united after their victory in the Great War. Meanwhile, the rump United States is impoverished, people sell themselves into indentured servitude, and most blacks there have fled back to Africa, as the union's citizens see them as the cause of the War of Southern Independence.

Oh, and the Confederates have time travel technology, which the protagonist uses to travel back to witness the Battle of Gettysburg unfold.

Did I mention the novel also takes place in 1952?

(I had to make some adjustments for the nations and colonies not mentioned)
 
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Here we have the world of Ward Moore's 1952 novel Bring the Jubilee, which was touted as a "realistic" outcome of a Confederate victory in the Civil War. In this case, Lee winning at Gettysburg causes all of this to happen. The oversized steampunk CSA has annexed Latin America, abolished slavery, welcomes immigrants, and is on the brink of war with their greatest rivals, the German Union, formed when the German and Austro-Hungarian Empires united after their victory in the Great War. Meanwhile, the rump United States is impoverished, people sell themselves into indentured servitude, and most blacks there have fled back to Africa, as the union's citizens see them as the cause of the War of Southern Independence.

Oh, and the Confederates have time travel technology, which the protagonist uses to travel back to witness the Battle of Gettysburg unfold.

Did I mention the novel also takes place in 1952?

(I had to make some adjustments for the nations and colonies not mentioned)
The CSA can have Delaware and all of California, but West Virginia? Nope. Don't want it.
 
The CSA can have Delaware and all of California, but West Virginia? Nope. Don't want it.
I think that is a mapping error as I remember the narrator in the start of the book talking about how the Confederacy generously gave the panhandle of Virginia to the defeated USA after they had emerged victorious. Kansas, if memory serves, should also be part of this nightmare nation.
 
Show of hands, who here likes the Golden Circle (no not the movie)
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Following their Victory against northern forces with aid from Latin American slave owners, the Confederacy united with them, realizing their dream of The Golden Circle. All was well until the Golden Circles devastating economic collapse after the great continental war. This collapse would spark infighting among the various factions in the Golden Circle; Separatists fighting Loyalists, Protestants fighting Catholics, Slave holders fighting Abolitionists, and Capitalists fighting Communists. In the end however, the communists would win out, consolidating what it was they were able to hold onto, and brassiness the communist ideals of "freedom" for all peoples. In practice however, the nation continued to be dominated by ethnic, racial, and even religious tensions, with these tensions being split between the "Anglo" (Spanish speaking slang for predominately English speaking, pro segregation, Protestant dominated states and regions) North and "Spaniard" (English speaking Slang for predominately Spanish speaking, anti-segregation, Catholic dominated states and regions) south. Tensions between the two sides would ultimately boil over on November 17th, 1931, when the Spaniard states rose up (with absolutely zero American support) after news reached them about the assassination of separatist leader Francisco Villa in the streets of Houston. The battles were long, hard, and violent, with guerrilla warfare the norm, and lynching of segregationist and anti-segregationists occurring almost daily. On December 24th, 1936, the two sides agreed too a ceasefire, and on April 12th, 1937, the Treaty of Houston was signed, splitting the Golden Circle in two;The, Peoples Confederacy in the North, and the Union of Mexican Socialist Republics in the South.
 
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