Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Sykes-Picot plus later proposals and claims on the Ottoman Empire (behold the mess)
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Found this whilst looking at right-wing movements in early 20th century France.
Found this whilst looking at right-wing movements in early 20th century France.
I'm fairly sure this has been posted before, but it just goes to show that France loves Germany so much it wants as many of them as possible.
I made a Worlda based on this, as this was posted at least twice before
The "French plans" part is extremely misleading : truth is it was made by a newspaper along with a lot of other plans, more or less this absurd.
Eventually, there wasn't an actual french plan for after the war that could be comparable to the September Program, meaning governementaly or institutionally issued/requested, etc. safe an obvious claim on Alsace-Lorraine : it's mostly because, contrary to Germany, the parlementarian and civilian government managed to keep being in charge during the war and couldn't agree between a white peace (not counting Alsace-Moselle, generally) and extremely punishing peace (far-right),most positions being generally in-between.
Even either in the diplomatic or military corps, there was little agreement on what to do besides requesting AL and reparations from one hand, and curbing down Germany's military capacity from the other.
EDIT : plans for Ottoman Empire being the big exception, in no small part because there was a fair deal of direct interests in the region.
This map might be more representative of discussed, while not entierely enacted, claims and concept of a victorious Franco-Russian alliance, altough I'm less confident about Austria than the rest.
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Why did they think Austro-Moravia was a good idea? And that Turkey is really fucking small.
Because they couldn't really care less : they knew Bohemia was a thing, and that's it.
That was the whole point of it. That said some parts of French and Italian regions were supposed to be influence zones, at least technically (with some idea scarving their own states out of it if it come to this).
Why did most of these plans want to give a significant part of Turkey to Italy? Has Italy ever had anything to do with these specific parts of Turkey after the Byzantine Empire had fallen? Is there a specific Italian minority or something involved?
I think it's just to let the Italians think they're important (either that or nobody else wanted that land) point is Italy's the ButtMonkey of the allies that everyone just sort of mildly acknowledges and that's about it.
Mostly as a continuation of Italian Dodecanese and "Italy stronk" pep talk.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Islands_of_the_Aegean
After 1917, it was to compensate from Russia withdrawal from war and to motivate Italians pulling more.
There's, maybe, a more precise exemple of what was actually discussed about Germany in governemental and military circles in November 1916. It never really was formalized for various reasons, one of them being the necessity giving something credible and acceptable enough by London. The January 1917 programme, essentially restricted to Alsace Lorraine and reparations was essentially made in this perspective; while talks with Russians favoured an harsh peace for Germany but never went anywhere, especially after November 1917.
- Territories annexed by France
- Territories annexed by Russia
- Territories annexed by Netherlands
- Territories annexed by Danmark
- Left-Bank of the Rhine either under permanent occupation, or cut-off from the Reign and autonomous under french-belgian protectorate, or annexed by France and Belgium
- Independent Kingdom of Hannover
- Independent Kingdom of Bavaria.
- Territories annexed by France
- Territories annexed by Russia
- Territories annexed by Netherlands
- Territories annexed by Danmark
- Left-Bank of the Rhine either under permanent occupation, or cut-off from the Reign and autonomous under french-belgian protectorate, or annexed by France and Belgium
- Independent Kingdom of Hannover
- Independent Kingdom of Bavaria.
It either involves a complex successions of events tied to time travel with a dark and ancient conspiracy to put dragons back into our world as virtual overlords of all-that-is;
either it's bad border-making
I actually think a few years back a former US soldier who worked at the base visited my house for a presentation my neighbors (who both have gone to Antarctica atleast more than twenty times) did.
I sadly don't remember the soldiers name though