Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

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Skallagrim said:
This was OTL. Himmer's organisation Ahnenerbe ("Ancestor-inheritance") served to investigate the Germanic past (although, predictably, also delving into Grail mythology and such stuff). Himmer was very keen on reconstructing actual Germanic town-halls and such things, and Hitler was really not into it. He preferred Speer's neoclassical designs as representing the "Aryan spirit" (designs which Himmler, correctly, saw as totally unconnected to the actual Germanic past). Hitler mostly just let Himmler muck about freely, in part because Ahnenerbe was conveniently self-financing. (This was really ingenious: Himmler managed that by basically stealing the patent for those reflector thingies you put on bicycle paddles... and then pushing the government to make them mandatory, so that Ahnenerbe, as the patent holder, made a killing in royalties. And yes, that is also OTL.)

Those interested in the matter can read about all of this in the book I got this from: The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust, by Heather Pringle. It details how Himmler was both the Nazi most interested in real history and the Nazi most interested in the kind of bullshit you see on Ancient Aliens. Also... how he had really insane plans for the future of the Aryan Empire (including neo-feudalism with the SS elite as the new aristocrats, and an artificial return to pseudo-medieval conditions.)
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That sounds insane, his plans.
 

Analytical Engine

Skallagrim said:
This was OTL. Himmer's organisation Ahnenerbe ("Ancestor-inheritance") served to investigate the Germanic past (although, predictably, also delving into Grail mythology and such stuff). Himmer was very keen on reconstructing actual Germanic town-halls and such things, and Hitler was really not into it. He preferred Speer's neoclassical designs as representing the "Aryan spirit" (designs which Himmler, correctly, saw as totally unconnected to the actual Germanic past). Hitler mostly just let Himmler muck about freely, in part because Ahnenerbe was conveniently self-financing. (This was really ingenious: Himmler managed that by basically stealing the patent for those reflector thingies you put on bicycle paddles... and then pushing the government to make them mandatory, so that Ahnenerbe, as the patent holder, made a killing in royalties. And yes, that is also OTL.)

Those interested in the matter can read about all of this in the book I got this from: The Master Plan: Himmler's Scholars and the Holocaust, by Heather Pringle. It details how Himmler was both the Nazi most interested in real history and the Nazi most interested in the kind of bullshit you see on Ancient Aliens. Also... how he had really insane plans for the future of the Aryan Empire (including neo-feudalism with the SS elite as the new aristocrats, and an artificial return to pseudo-medieval conditions.)
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Sorry for the confusion - I know that Hitler wasn't that into the occult. It was the bit about various Nazis not being happy with the artefacts German archaeologists found that I wasn't sure was ATL or OTL.
 
NorthTension

NorthTension

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Vuu

Vuu

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Analytical Engine said:
IIRC, he wasn't anywhere nearly as interested in the occult as Himler was. I can't remember if this was from OTL or an ATL, but at least some Nazis weren't all that enamoured with all of the "Aryan" artefacts German archaeologists kept finding, because all that proved was that Aryans were once primitive.
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A good line to draw is: Hitler is a politician, and uses the we wuz as a political tool, but really doesn't care about it. Himmler on the other fact exclusively we wuzes, much to everyone's chagrin
 
LSCatilina

LSCatilina

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Summoning @Xgentis
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BELGIANS! LOOK AT THIS MAP AND THINK!
Dotted line : Border of Gueldre taken from Belgium by Prussia in 1713
Pale red : Territories taken from Belgium by Prussia in 1815-1816
Red : Territories taken from or refused to Belgium in 1839
Yellow : Current borders of Belgium
Purple : Circles of Eupen and Malmédy granted to Belgium
Green line : line closing territories, navigable ways and railways vital to Belgium.
 
Beedok

Beedok

Analytical Engine said:
Hah, I said you couldn't trust those dastardly Belgians. They try and charm you with their chocolate, waffles, and inventing "French" Fries, but when you least expect it...
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They get their hands on a large part of Africa and commit one of the worst atrocities of the colonialist era?
 

Thon Taddeo

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The State of East Indonesia (Indonesian: Negara Indonesia Timur, old spelling: Negara Indonesia Timoer) was a post-World War II federal state (negara bagian) formed in eastern Netherlands East Indies by the Netherlands. It was established in 1946, became part of the United States of Indonesia in 1949, and was dissolved in 1950 with the end of the USI. It comprised all the islands to the east of Borneo (Celebes, and the Moluccas, with their offshore islands) and of Java (Bali and the Lesser Sunda Islands).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_East_Indonesia

What sort of POD would allow this state to survive?
 
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