Weekly Flag Challenge: Discussion & Entries

King Arthur's Britian.
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After then Apocolocys, Britain was all a bit sad, so lucky in its hour of need, king Arthur returned and helped save it!
the colours of all parts of the UK are repesented, as well as Arthurs symbol in the dragon and the circule for the round table.
 
The flag of Canumer
Excerpts from A Short History of the War for the World by Kennet bo Calgry:
The stories of how they first came here are manifold. One unlikely tale tells of a young man who summoned one from another dimension, hoping to use it against a love rival, only for more to follow the first, with the young man doomed to see his love slain before he too perished. Another implausible but popular fable is that of an evil conjuror who sacrificed his own daughter to gain their power but lost control of them. The most common stories tell of them coming from the sky in a hail of meteoric fire, or from the depths of the earth as volcanoes around the world erupted during what we now call Year Zero. These latter stories are lent credence by the only surviving records from before Year Zero, which report huge meteor showers as a comet passed close by our Earth and also document unprecedented seismic and volcanic activity as Year Zero arrived and humankind entered the Years of Fire and Death, as the War for the World began.
Regardless of where they came from, the dragons attacked without warning, seemingly determined to wipe out all vestiges of human civilisation, from our greatest cities to our most remote nomadic communities. Hundreds of millions died in the first months, the majority in Chin, Indus and what the old records call the Western World.
Initially they seemed invincible, with our destruction almost assured, but after many years small weaknesses were identified. Heroic sacrifices by warriors from around the world, working together in alliances which could never have been foreseen in the decades before, slowly fought them to a standstill. After over a century of fighting simply to survive, the first longed-for hopes of victory came when a combined Indi-Kyrg-Tajik force destroyed a dragon stronghold in the foothills of the Himalayas. This was not the end of the struggle, but it was the beginning of the end, though it did not seem like it at the time and many setbacks still lay ahead. It took another three hundred years and millions more deaths before the last dragon was killed in a suicidal assault by Canuck-Merican-Mexco warriors in the devastated lands of Yellstone.
By then, it is estimated that less than a hundred million humans were left alive, in scattered communities around the world. Vast swathes of the world were rendered uninhabitable, much of the old biosphere was extinct and the nation states of old were gone, along with almost all of the accumulated knowledge of humankind. In their places grew up new nations. Some of them chose new symbols, focussing on a hopeful future. Others looked back to the symbols of countries which had been destroyed four centuries previously, hoping to use the glories of the past to move their new nations forward.
One such nation is Canumer, which grew up in the northern and western parts of the continent known to the ancients as North-Merica. Its flag is a combination of the flags of the two countries from before the dragons, using the following features from the old flags:
• Red and white stripes, from both the Canuck and Merican flags, though authorities differ on how many there were on each;
• A red leaf from the Canuck flag (though the type is unknown and some authorities insist it was actually a red star);
• A collection of stars from the Merican flag. Some authorities show the stars in a circle, others in a square pattern; all are in agreement, based on pictures of ancient military uniforms, that the stars were placed at the top right corner.
In Canumer's flag, the red and white stripes have been kept; there are nine stripes, one for each of the regions of the nation. The stars have been arranged in a circle, placed in the centre of the flag; there are 34 five-pointed stars, one point for each of the 170 men and women who died in the battle with the last dragon. Inside the circle is the red leaf of the ancients, surmounting crossed spears to symbolise the struggle against the dragons. Under those spears is a speared dragon's head to symbolise that the final victory over the dragons took place in Canumer.

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Edit: deleted repeated word, minor change to an adverb, added missing word.
 
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Flag Challenge 194: From the east, the settlers came

And so as the age of exploration came to pass, the emperors of Japan, China, Korea and other neighbouring monarchs looked west for new lands to settles and for wealth as yet undiscovered. Many colonies were created in the following centuries on the continent known by the natives as "europe".

Your challenge then is to share with us 2 flags: the flag of one of these asian colonies in europe as well as the personnal flag used by the local representative of his majesty.

Pretty much any historical polities from the indian sub-continent or south-east asia is acceptable although countries such as the Kingdom of Sarawak would go against the spirit of the challenge for obvious reasons.

Submissions Open: Now
Submissions Close: 23:59 AEST 20 August 2018
Voting Opens: 21th August
Voting Closes: 27th August
 
Here we go (a lot of liberties have been taken with language so apologies for any offence to Korean or Japanese members!):

Jeigyon has its founding in the union of the Kingdoms of Bäkje and Kyôšô during the 40 Generations [1]. The two had constantly been allies against domination by the 2nd Zhou and lately the northern successors to the Yamoto Empire that had ruled over both kingdoms in 30 Generations. A failed invasion by the Minamoto King led to the Kyôšô clans binding themselves under the Bäkje King, Onjei, who established the himself as a Qin style Emperor at Busanši [2].
Initially dominated by the Bäkje court control shifted to the Kyôšô nobles when the Zhou backed a Sillan invasion forcing the imperial court to flee to Gyôši [3]. The fall of the 2nd Zhou enabled expansion back onto the Sillan peninsula, and eastward on Honšu.
Jeigyon was able to dominate maritime trade in the rising 3rd Zhou Dynasty and contact with Europe rapidly expanded the empire through control and colonisation of the states there.
One such state is the Governate of Khorongwoh divided into Bogwoh Khoronwa and Nängwoh Khoronwa across the Ying Strait [4]. The current Jhangwang [5] of House Moljhê is allowed to bear the local title of Errô [6] and quarter his banner with that of the Empire.
The Banner of Khorongwoh features 2 dragons representing the northern and southern halves. The Banner of Errô Riyu-jin [7] shows his House emblem in the 2nd and 3rd quarters, the colours being of the Governate.

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[1] 7th Century CE, Time being counted in generations of 30 years since Confucius
[2] Pusan
[3] near OTL Nagasaki
[4] The Channel
[5] Lord/Prince General or Governor
[6] El (Earl) + (honorific)
[7] alternatively Liyu, r and l being allophones in Jeigyonese, the r quality being more apparent intervocally
 
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Chinese exploration of Europe began under the Tang dynasty, when merchants who travelled into the Red Sea began to cross over the Sinai Peninsula and sail into the Mediterranean. They soon began to explore inwards, and, in the 9th century, explorers first crossed the channel and reached what would be the furthest west land from China so far discovered. Thus, just as they had named Japan Riben (日本), meaning "sunrise", this new island was named Riluo (日落), meaning "sunset", and they slowly expanded their settlements on the island, whose natives were weakened by war and invasions. When the governor of this new settlement was commanded to draw up a banner to represent it, he recalled a native legend which told of a red dragon and a white dragon who battled constantly. While for the natives this had symbolized conquest or victory over the invaders, for the governor a different meaning was obvious. The red dragon was the solar deity, Zhulong, and the white dragon the lunar deity. The constant battle was the island's eponymous sunset. Thus, the governor drew up a flag with two dragons, red and white, with a blue background representing the channel and the water which surrounded the island, and the white representing the cliffs which had been the explorers' first sight of the island. The gold border represented the authority, albeit indirect, of the emperor.

Meanwhile, the governor's own standard also contained the two dragons, but used the full background of gold reserved for the emperor and his representatives, and also used the image of the setting sun and the rising moon.

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I don't feel like making a flag today, but some thoughts:

0) Europe belonged to the Old World. Colonizers' guns, germs, and steel wouldn't be as effective to them as to the new world. Therefore an Asian-colonized would look more similar to European colonized Asia, with Europeans subjugated, but not wiped out.

1) It's unreasonable to assume Europeans would just allow Asians to enslave them. There would be fights for freedom, just like Asians resisted IOTL. And the colonizers would also try to suppress, adapt to, and make compromises and incorporate the local forces, with trends going back and forth.

2) An Asian dominated-Europe would likely mean Europeans trying to strengthen themselves by imitating "superior" Asian culture, and in doing so, accepting lot's of cultural symbols unique to Asia as "universal". But they would still try to convey their own messages with those Asian symbols.

3) Traditional Chinese flags are most often used to denote ranks other than regions or families, a mentality which might be adapted in Europe.

4) Japanese kamon system works very differently from mainland's flags, preferring to depict its flora other than its fauna. I wonder how would Europe react to these differences, and how would these two vexilogical traditions (and behind them, two different types of colonialism) merge.

5) Being colonizers mean faster technological developments. Despite different thoughts by friends, I still think it's necessary to have an alphabet or at least a syllabary to be invented in China, maybe inspired by Tanguts, Tibetans, Sanskrit-speakers, Jurchens, Uyghurs, Japanese, or Koreans...

6) How is Europe partitioned? IOTL, periphery powers like Britain and Russia kept on preventing Europe's Carolingian core from being unified. How would maps look like ITTL?

7) Other parts of the would? Would they also be colonized by Asians?
 
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Sorry, I really don't have any expertise in Asian flags and can't come up with anything which seems at all 'realistic' or (to put it bluntly) any good. So good luck to the current entrants (and any others who enter in the time left).
 

Yea... such demographic changes was very hard to do back in the day, and even now, the only Chinese domains outside of China that ever pledged allegiance to a dynasty all laid in Southeast Asia, when the colonial powers poured cheap Chinese labour into the region. Hell, Taiwan's Chinese community started as a result of Dutch-promoted migration before Koxinga took over, and even the Qing that came after didn't really care too much about it.

As for Europe, the only part that's now dominated by an Asiatic race is Kalmykia, by Mongols, and even they bent the knee to the Tsar very quickly. The Dungans in Central Asia don't come close either, and they too bent the knee to the Tsar.

Not to say it's impossible, but it's ridiculously hard to do.
 
Yea... such demographic changes was very hard to do back in the day, and even now, the only Chinese domains outside of China that ever pledged allegiance to a dynasty all laid in Southeast Asia, when the colonial powers poured cheap Chinese labour into the region. Hell, Taiwan's Chinese community started as a result of Dutch-promoted migration before Koxinga took over, and even the Qing that came after didn't really care too much about it.

As for Europe, the only part that's now dominated by an Asiatic race is Kalmykia, by Mongols, and even they bent the knee to the Tsar very quickly. The Dungans in Central Asia don't come close either, and they too bent the knee to the Tsar.

The key to colonization was “domination”, not immigration.

As in, OTL Chinese in SEA had to pledge alliagence to local rulers, adapt to local cultures and follow local laws in order to survive, while Europeans could impose their own culture, law and governors on locals of any land, even with fewer numbers.
 
The question I have about such a senior is why go to all the trouble entering europe?
how ever much more teched up the asians are, they are going to have to put in some reasources, and I can't think of any reasource unquige to europe as tea and silk are to asia.

Ofcource there might be other reasons, e.g. stratigic usefulness, but a powerfull asia needs europe less than a powerfull europe needs asia
 
The question I have about such a senior is why go to all the trouble entering europe?
how ever much more teched up the asians are, they are going to have to put in some reasources, and I can't think of any reasource unquige to europe as tea and silk are to asia.

Ofcource there might be other reasons, e.g. stratigic usefulness, but a powerfull asia needs europe less than a powerfull europe needs asia
If it helps think of it more as an ASB flag challenge.
I had to be rather vague about time and tech disparity to get a Koreo-Japanese Dominion of the Cornwalls established.
 
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