The Yankee Dominion: A Map and World Building Project

[Oryxslayer]

If Sweden joins the Central Powers in WW1, that would mean (unless this is like Kaiserreich) that they, like germany, could suffer under the Allies (particularly Russia). That and if the Great Depression happens in TTL, that could mean...

A Swedish Hitler. (Probably would be
Lindholm)

But we shall worry about that later.

OH the Great war is much different though, wait till you see the skeleton I'm working on. It is most of the key events until the GW, at which point you guys can help me decide the outcome. The reason Sweden Gets involved is because Russia has become a Liberal/Nationalist Republic and is persecuting non-Slavic non-Orthodox minorities even harsher then the Czar, which contributes to the Azhkenazi in Alaska.

 

[Riley Uhr]

That is a very nice looking Mexico. I would assume Alta California and Texas wouldnt have their OTL populaitons.

 

[Gian]

That is a very nice looking Mexico. I would assume Alta California and Texas wouldnt have their OTL populaitons.

What I would imagine is that the Mormon still come to Mexico (which is why I had Utah as a Mexican state), but they would mostly assimilate within the general population (albeit they keep their faith and cultural customs while speaking Spanish etc.)

 

[Riley Uhr]

What I would imagine is that the Mormon still come to Mexico (which is why I had Utah as a Mexican state), but they would mostly assimilate within the general population (albeit they keep their faith and cultural customs while speaking Spanish etc.)

Does that mean no mexican Las Vegas?

 

[Oryxslayer]

What I would imagine is that the Mormon still come to Mexico (which is why I had Utah as a Mexican state), but they would mostly assimilate within the general population (albeit they keep their faith and cultural customs while speaking Spanish etc.)

I think he means LA and Dallas/Houston being super-cities. Probably not, with more people in SF, and various southern Mexican cities. Also, no Vegas. North America's gambling hub is Atlantic City, which is thriving thanks to its proximity to Philly.

 

[Riley Uhr]

I think he means LA and Dallas/Houston being super-cities. Probably not, with more people in SF, and various southern Mexican cities. Also, no Vegas. North America's gambling hub is Atlantic City, which is thriving thanks to its proximity to Philly.

Actually on a more serious note if Alta California allows gambling there is still a possibility of American Casino owners to come to the desert to escape from taxes. It obviously may not be as big mabye as a city it would stay at mabye 100,000 people at most. But I think there could be a possibility of Las Vegas.

 

[Oryxslayer]

Actually on a more serious note if Alta California allows gambling there is still a possibility of American Casino owners to come to the desert to escape from taxes. It obviously may not be as big mabye as a city it would stay at mabye 100,000 people at most. But I think there could be a possibility of Las Vegas.

If such a situation occurs, then its more liekly to grow in Reno, Carson City, or another city closer to CA more importantly WITH WATER.

But such a situation is unlikely. During the mining era, San Francisco was a Sin City - go look up San Francisco's Barbary Coast if you need to know more.

 

[ST15RM]

One Potential idea.
But here's my idea:

In this version, the Mexican Empire does collapse. In grey are Minor states (Cube, Dominica, Puerto Rico and jamaica are separate nations)

 

[Oryxslayer]

The only thing right now that I have to say on the two proposals is that Haiti needs to get independent - that will happen during Napoleon even easier then in OTL with the Dominion navy now protecting the Caribbean from french endeavors.

If Mexico is to collapse, then can we not go with the classic North+Central america? More of OTL Mexico should fall away: Rio Grande, Jalisco, Yucatan, Oaxaca, and a Chihuahua+Durango+Sonora style nation as well.

 

[ST15RM]

The only thing right now that I have to say on the two proposals is that Haiti needs to get independent - that will happen during Napoleon even easier then in OTL with the Dominion navy now protecting the Caribbean from french endeavors.

If Mexico is to collapse, then can we not go with the classic North+Central america? More of OTL Mexico should fall away: Rio Grande, Jalisco, Yucatan, Oaxaca, and a Chihuahua+Durango+Sonora style nation as well.

 

[Gian]

View attachment 396567
One Potential idea.

I like the first proposal

 

[Riley Uhr]

Theres no Reason for California to break away from Mexico as did Texas in any of those proposals. While Texas has thousands of american immigrants California had about 800.

 

[Oryxslayer]

Theres no Reason for California to break away from Mexico as did Texas in any of those proposals. While Texas has thousands of american immigrants California had about 800.

Which is why the third map makes more sense at least - This time the state is collapsing to warlords rather then having the US north secede for reasons that don't exist in TTL.

 

[Riley Uhr]

Which is why the third map makes more sense at least - This time the state is collapsing to warlords rather then having the US north secede for reasons that don't exist in TTL.

Mexico has it off pretty bad in most alternate timelines can we have a huge modern day Mexico just this once? Pretty Please?

 

[Nazi Space Spy]

Mexico has it off pretty bad in most alternate timelines can we have a huge modern day Mexico just this once? Pretty Please?

I'm a fan of an enlarged Mexico, minus Cuba and Puerto Rico perhaps. The two islands might be better off as independent states IMO, but again, I'll let consensus decide this. I'm most invested in the Commonwealth of America, and have fewer ideas for the broader world. Keep bringing in the awesome ideas!

 

[hitcho11]

The board lacks Mexico stronk scenarios, for real... Also, I can see the OTL Perú-Ecuador eastern border made in the Rio Protocol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Protocol) forming a subdivision in Colombia, and without a war between them, it would have no business existing

 

[Oryxslayer]

The board lacks Mexico stronk scenarios, for real... Also, I can see the OTL Perú-Ecuador eastern border made in the Rio Protocol (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Protocol) forming a subdivision in Colombia, and without a war between them, it would have no business existing

Like, there are five separate plans for Mexico, if Independent in all Alternate History:

1. Mexico thrives and Keeps her enlarged borders.
2. Mexico gets screwed even worse by the US then in OTL, and ends up frangmented.
3. Mexico becomes a Habsburg state.
4. Mexico remains like OTL, aka the boring option
5. Mexico just loses the north... to some combination of California, Mormon, Native, and Texan states.

Gian had an interesting suggestion of Mexico holding islands, but I don't think that will exactly work with the rest of the Latin American revolutions - at least not the Philippines bit. I originally imagined Mexico ceasing to exist and just balkanizing in totality, which is also different. Any other ideas?

 

[hitcho11]

Any other ideas?

I recently read an alternate history [in spanish] about Mexico getting its independence by 1810, and having Alexander Leopold of Austria as its monarch, but such a scenario would require to rework the current borders of the Dominion because there'd be no Treaty of Adams-Onís.

The AH scenario is linked here (http://es.althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Rapsodia_del_Imperio), it's based on this other piece (http://www.letraslibres.com/mexico/una-independencia-pacifica-rapsodia-del-imperio?page=full), just in case someone wants to read them

 

[Pokemon Master]

I think we should choose the first option, but with Cuba, Puerto Rico, and at least one of the OTL Central American countries independent.

 

[hitcho11]

I think we should choose the first option, but with Cuba, Puerto Rico, and at least one of the OTL Central American countries independent.

Yeah, I agree, Mexico getting both Cuba and Puerto Rico seems like a bit of a longshot... If you want mexican presence in the Caribbean, maybe let them have the Isla de la Juventud?