Speer's reforms failing have been stated to be a thing. Especially if you aren't careful in dragging the slave dependant Nazi economy up to date, before abolishing slavery.
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Okay this is all for today but here's some Ciano memes since I'm p sure this community would be the only one who even knows who he is outside of TNO.
We've gone through a lot of versions of his portrait (grandfather is current, young is old, Galleaza is what I wish we could use)
We've gone through a lot of versions of his portrait (grandfather is current, young is old, Galleaza is what I wish we could use)
Can’t wait for a joke in-depth dev diary of some obscure warlord’s focus tree in South America.
Development Diary X: The Land of Rice and Spice
(Unfortunately, due to time constraints, the contents of this dev diary won’t be as extensive as I have hoped. I hope this minor inconvenience is ok.)
Welcome thee, to this land of the not-so-free, known as the TNO mod. My name is chai-chan, I’m sure those of you that frequent the Discord server know me. I’m developing India, along with the absolutely amazing team known as the SEA team. This, as you might have guessed, is the dev diary on India - or at least, the democratic, peaceful paths that await it.
In this diary, we will only discuss five of the eight possible victors - the socialists, the social democrats, the social liberals, the market liberals and the social conservatives. The communists and fascists are in essence vastly different and much more extensive than the other paths - they are for later. Huh, what are you saying? The eighth victor? Uh, uhm- sweats
India - independent, somewhere in south Asia, a rising power and something you could really only describe as a wildcard.
That’s right, India is wild. Following the surrender of the British in Asia in 1943, India declared independence, but it was not united. Areas militarily occupied by Japan were established as a separate entity, the Azad Hind, more commonly known as Bengal.
What is more, the Two-Nation Theory was not implemented into practice, and to this day, India and Pakistan are a single country - which, as you might guess, has a terrible effect on the stability of the nation.
Of course these problems are still not the only ones poor India faces. Illiteracy is rampant, the economy is underdeveloped, the caste system is destroying society, and the government, even though Nehru is the life and soul of India’s unity, remains disunited and conflicted
And speaking of the government, let’s take a look at it:
As you can see, the INC (Indian National Congress) seems to lead India with a decently steady hand. However, divided between social democracy, social liberalism and social conservatism, that is not to be forever. The other parties all remain relatively popular - from the communists, through the market liberals and the fascists, to the - wait, ultranational socialists?
No! Don’t be confused here, these aren’t actually ultranational socialists. It simply serves as a sort of “placeholder” for the popularity of the AIML - All India Muslim League - essentially, the popularity of Pakistani separatism.
India right off the bat is hit with a common, but quite hurtful issue - protests.
Come on, what could these communists possibly need? What, do they want fair wages and socia-
And now the Communals join them. And to top it off, they are supported by the *Azad Hind*. What more cou-
Oh, these minorities are also a problem, right. Sri Lanka and Khalistan are after all part of India too. Now, surely, this can’t get any worse, right?
Oh come on. They even united, now this is just terrible. But surely that was the last thing they could do…?
Oof. But, luckily for India, that will be the last protest that made it into the national news. Now, what other problems are we going to face…
Famine. The worst thing India could face, with its enormous population and ineffective agriculture. Now, luckily, this is just the prospect of famine. If you just deal with the three areas that need to be dealt with - the people, the climate and the trade, everything will be fine. India won’t face a famine, for India is str-
Wh-what? It was the damn Japanese lapdogs! They funded our scientists just to drain us of resources! We cannot continue this tree, if we continue, we will be just playing into Calcutta’s hands!... And I guess we’d also see a huge popularity drop, leading us to loss of confidence in the government, and potentially another crisis tree. But surely, surely we’ll be fine if we just don’t take any more focus
Alright, we got through that. The year is 1963 and the German Civil War has started. This can’t be good - a large, large portion of India’s economy is fueled by cooperation with Germany - after all, we’re one of the few that actually want to trade with them. And it isn’t.
Oh god, save us. Now we just need government stability, and we’ll be fine. It’s not like Nehru will die any time so-
Look before you leap, look before you leap…
Nehru was the force keeping India really together for the past 20 years. This, coupled with the elections coming within a month, does not bode well for the country. Still, the elections must be held. Over their course, utilizing a focus tree that you complete quite quickly, India will receive events quite similar to those that you might know from Victoria 2 - debates about certain issues, and a few choices to pick the victorious arguments. These will influence the popularity of specific parties, and at the end of the election, the victor will be chosen as the party with the highest popularity.
(Shoutout to Yard1 for coming up with a great system of picking the most popular party in code)
Now there is but one problem - the INC is shaken. The death of Nehru, the economic crisis, the protests - they culminate in collapse.
Now the INC can either be led further right by a prominent conservative figure, Morarji Desai, turn to social liberalism, failed by the social democratic policies of the Nehru government, or have Indira Gandhi - a very interesting woman, whose charisma and slight authoritarianism is famous in India - seize control and unite the INC again.
India will survive, one way or another…
Each democratic path consists of three consecutive trees - all after the next elections. The first trees generally focus on political reforms and minor economic reforms, the second ones more on the army and the industry, and the third ones on closing things up and achieving your end goals - also a bit of cool science.
First, let’s take at what will probably be the most popular choice from the democratic paths - the social democrats.
As you can see, after the election you can pick to compromise with either party on your “side” - the socialists or the social liberals, for a gain in popularity and different choices, or remain on your own course.
(Unfortunately, due to time constraints, the contents of this dev diary won’t be as extensive as I have hoped. I hope this minor inconvenience is ok.)
Welcome thee, to this land of the not-so-free, known as the TNO mod. My name is chai-chan, I’m sure those of you that frequent the Discord server know me. I’m developing India, along with the absolutely amazing team known as the SEA team. This, as you might have guessed, is the dev diary on India - or at least, the democratic, peaceful paths that await it.
In this diary, we will only discuss five of the eight possible victors - the socialists, the social democrats, the social liberals, the market liberals and the social conservatives. The communists and fascists are in essence vastly different and much more extensive than the other paths - they are for later. Huh, what are you saying? The eighth victor? Uh, uhm- sweats
India - independent, somewhere in south Asia, a rising power and something you could really only describe as a wildcard.
That’s right, India is wild. Following the surrender of the British in Asia in 1943, India declared independence, but it was not united. Areas militarily occupied by Japan were established as a separate entity, the Azad Hind, more commonly known as Bengal.
What is more, the Two-Nation Theory was not implemented into practice, and to this day, India and Pakistan are a single country - which, as you might guess, has a terrible effect on the stability of the nation.
Of course these problems are still not the only ones poor India faces. Illiteracy is rampant, the economy is underdeveloped, the caste system is destroying society, and the government, even though Nehru is the life and soul of India’s unity, remains disunited and conflicted
And speaking of the government, let’s take a look at it:
As you can see, the INC (Indian National Congress) seems to lead India with a decently steady hand. However, divided between social democracy, social liberalism and social conservatism, that is not to be forever. The other parties all remain relatively popular - from the communists, through the market liberals and the fascists, to the - wait, ultranational socialists?
No! Don’t be confused here, these aren’t actually ultranational socialists. It simply serves as a sort of “placeholder” for the popularity of the AIML - All India Muslim League - essentially, the popularity of Pakistani separatism.
India right off the bat is hit with a common, but quite hurtful issue - protests.
Come on, what could these communists possibly need? What, do they want fair wages and socia-
And now the Communals join them. And to top it off, they are supported by the *Azad Hind*. What more cou-
Oh, these minorities are also a problem, right. Sri Lanka and Khalistan are after all part of India too. Now, surely, this can’t get any worse, right?
Oh come on. They even united, now this is just terrible. But surely that was the last thing they could do…?
Oof. But, luckily for India, that will be the last protest that made it into the national news. Now, what other problems are we going to face…
Famine. The worst thing India could face, with its enormous population and ineffective agriculture. Now, luckily, this is just the prospect of famine. If you just deal with the three areas that need to be dealt with - the people, the climate and the trade, everything will be fine. India won’t face a famine, for India is str-
Wh-what? It was the damn Japanese lapdogs! They funded our scientists just to drain us of resources! We cannot continue this tree, if we continue, we will be just playing into Calcutta’s hands!... And I guess we’d also see a huge popularity drop, leading us to loss of confidence in the government, and potentially another crisis tree. But surely, surely we’ll be fine if we just don’t take any more focus
Alright, we got through that. The year is 1963 and the German Civil War has started. This can’t be good - a large, large portion of India’s economy is fueled by cooperation with Germany - after all, we’re one of the few that actually want to trade with them. And it isn’t.
Oh god, save us. Now we just need government stability, and we’ll be fine. It’s not like Nehru will die any time so-
Look before you leap, look before you leap…
Nehru was the force keeping India really together for the past 20 years. This, coupled with the elections coming within a month, does not bode well for the country. Still, the elections must be held. Over their course, utilizing a focus tree that you complete quite quickly, India will receive events quite similar to those that you might know from Victoria 2 - debates about certain issues, and a few choices to pick the victorious arguments. These will influence the popularity of specific parties, and at the end of the election, the victor will be chosen as the party with the highest popularity.
(Shoutout to Yard1 for coming up with a great system of picking the most popular party in code)
Now there is but one problem - the INC is shaken. The death of Nehru, the economic crisis, the protests - they culminate in collapse.
Now the INC can either be led further right by a prominent conservative figure, Morarji Desai, turn to social liberalism, failed by the social democratic policies of the Nehru government, or have Indira Gandhi - a very interesting woman, whose charisma and slight authoritarianism is famous in India - seize control and unite the INC again.
India will survive, one way or another…
Each democratic path consists of three consecutive trees - all after the next elections. The first trees generally focus on political reforms and minor economic reforms, the second ones more on the army and the industry, and the third ones on closing things up and achieving your end goals - also a bit of cool science.
First, let’s take at what will probably be the most popular choice from the democratic paths - the social democrats.
As you can see, after the election you can pick to compromise with either party on your “side” - the socialists or the social liberals, for a gain in popularity and different choices, or remain on your own course.
Let’s take a look at parts of the tree:
There are plenty of choices to be made - from borderline socialism, to neoliberalism. INC politics are diverse. However, these choices aren’t as simple as they look, no no.
Corruption. Choose the other policy, stray from the course, just for personal gain? Eh, why not, what’s the worst that could happen. A coalition against us?
The next election comes after three years, and is a bit easier than the first one - provided the social democrats stay in power, the second tree loads.
It starts with, again, a compromise choice, and then a bit of a political reform. But the real meat of this tree lies in the things that come afterwards - the industry and the army.
These should be pretty self-explanatory, do I really need to talk about them in-depth?
Now the third election - here corruption comes biting the INC in the rear. Indira, who will lead the social democrats one way or another, has been found to be highly corrupt. INC is faced with a terrible choice - should they oust Indira, who has been keeping the whole deal together for the past 6 years, or try to remain on the course of good social democracy. But remaining on that course could be not enough - they might again need to coalition with somebody.
The Indira-less paths are pretty standard and democratic, although going alone as the social democrats could prove disastrous to popularity and lead to another crisis.
But the Indira paths…
Indira is a power-hungry despot. She can either attempt to rein in herself, or seize control of the government as she was really destined to. This could, of course, backfire really badly and result in revolution…
Just Indira.
But now, let’s take a look at social liberals.
The moderate wing of the INC, peaceful and wholesome, they will attempt to make India a nicer place for everyone.
Just as the social democrats, they can choose to compromise with their two “neighbouring” parties.
These guys face much less turmoil than the social democrats. They will generally focus on social reform and soft economic liberalization, hoping to unite India and reform the caste system.
There are plenty of choices to be made - from borderline socialism, to neoliberalism. INC politics are diverse. However, these choices aren’t as simple as they look, no no.
Corruption. Choose the other policy, stray from the course, just for personal gain? Eh, why not, what’s the worst that could happen. A coalition against us?
The next election comes after three years, and is a bit easier than the first one - provided the social democrats stay in power, the second tree loads.
It starts with, again, a compromise choice, and then a bit of a political reform. But the real meat of this tree lies in the things that come afterwards - the industry and the army.
These should be pretty self-explanatory, do I really need to talk about them in-depth?
Now the third election - here corruption comes biting the INC in the rear. Indira, who will lead the social democrats one way or another, has been found to be highly corrupt. INC is faced with a terrible choice - should they oust Indira, who has been keeping the whole deal together for the past 6 years, or try to remain on the course of good social democracy. But remaining on that course could be not enough - they might again need to coalition with somebody.
The Indira-less paths are pretty standard and democratic, although going alone as the social democrats could prove disastrous to popularity and lead to another crisis.
But the Indira paths…
Indira is a power-hungry despot. She can either attempt to rein in herself, or seize control of the government as she was really destined to. This could, of course, backfire really badly and result in revolution…
Just Indira.
But now, let’s take a look at social liberals.
The moderate wing of the INC, peaceful and wholesome, they will attempt to make India a nicer place for everyone.
Just as the social democrats, they can choose to compromise with their two “neighbouring” parties.
These guys face much less turmoil than the social democrats. They will generally focus on social reform and soft economic liberalization, hoping to unite India and reform the caste system.
They can too choose to be corrupt in their choices (unfortunately I cannot show it here), but the second election comes just like for the social democrats.
They will attempt to double down on their reforms from before, further driving social justice, religious unity and soft liberalization, but in the face of corrupt gain, will these be the choices they make…?
Unfortunately, before the third election, the social liberal leader, Lal Bahadur Shastri, dies, and a successor must be picked. The two candidates are mostly split between their foreign policy ideas - one is a proponent of armed neutrality, the other is highly pro-American.
The neutral candidate will attempt to make India a highly self-sufficient and defensive nation, free from the worries of the world and safe for its citizens. The American candidate will embrace globalization, bringing western ideals to the country and putting India on the world stage of democracy.
The social conservatives and market liberals have quite the same format of the trees - and since I don’t think I can make them any more interesting with this pointless drivel I’m saying, I’ll let the few pictures speak for themselves:
The soccons:
The marklibs:
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There are also the socialists, a very interesting choice, as they do not fit in with the “centrist” democrats, but still are moderate enough to not cause the things communists and fascists will. Unlike the other parties, they won’t coalition with anybody, except maybe the INC-SD.
Let’s take a look at their first election tree:
This is great, don’t you think? Actually radically reforming India in an idealistic image, with little -cough- corruption at all and a clear goal!
Ok now in all seriousness, the socialists genuinely do attempt to change India to the image they see. Reforming labour, the army, the minority issues, the society - they will change India into a new, red, paradise. Well, of course unless their policies don’t work out. Or corruption happens. Or they lose the next election - well, you get the point.
Now in the second election, they are hit by a crisis - a parliamentary crisis. It seems that corruption is in fact quite prevalent in the government, and the constitution needs changing. Anyways, let’s take a look:
They will attempt to double down on their reforms from before, further driving social justice, religious unity and soft liberalization, but in the face of corrupt gain, will these be the choices they make…?
Unfortunately, before the third election, the social liberal leader, Lal Bahadur Shastri, dies, and a successor must be picked. The two candidates are mostly split between their foreign policy ideas - one is a proponent of armed neutrality, the other is highly pro-American.
The neutral candidate will attempt to make India a highly self-sufficient and defensive nation, free from the worries of the world and safe for its citizens. The American candidate will embrace globalization, bringing western ideals to the country and putting India on the world stage of democracy.
The social conservatives and market liberals have quite the same format of the trees - and since I don’t think I can make them any more interesting with this pointless drivel I’m saying, I’ll let the few pictures speak for themselves:
The soccons:
The marklibs:
There are also the socialists, a very interesting choice, as they do not fit in with the “centrist” democrats, but still are moderate enough to not cause the things communists and fascists will. Unlike the other parties, they won’t coalition with anybody, except maybe the INC-SD.
Let’s take a look at their first election tree:
This is great, don’t you think? Actually radically reforming India in an idealistic image, with little -cough- corruption at all and a clear goal!
Ok now in all seriousness, the socialists genuinely do attempt to change India to the image they see. Reforming labour, the army, the minority issues, the society - they will change India into a new, red, paradise. Well, of course unless their policies don’t work out. Or corruption happens. Or they lose the next election - well, you get the point.
Now in the second election, they are hit by a crisis - a parliamentary crisis. It seems that corruption is in fact quite prevalent in the government, and the constitution needs changing. Anyways, let’s take a look:
Oooh what could this be? The socialists have doubled down on their reforms! More radical ideas are being pushed through, and the population seems to approve of them - after all, these aren’t half bad. Of course they could still be changed by corruption, or simply not work out.
But now for the third tree!
Wait, wait, whoa whoa whoa, hold up there. A revolution? Yes, comrade! A revolution! The revolution has arrived, and its opponents are enemies of the people!
Ok, to be honest, I’m conflicted here. Prosperity and equality for the poor - sure, maybe it works, but indoctrination and propaganda? This could backfire. And it might backfire horribly. But if you succeed, comrade! A global revolution awaits!
No matter what, there are two things all the governments must face - the minorities and the castes. Except the social conservatives, they can ignore the castes.
Let’s take a look at these, first, Pakistan.
Pakistan has been unruly for all of these past years. And now with the government’s continuous negligence of the issue, even after the turmoil of 1962-64, they demand immediate action.
India can pick between integration, autonomy and independence. The choices themselves are rather self-explanatory - but I just need to say that at least one of these can horribly backfire…
Now, the second issue - castes. You might have seen earlier a few of the caste reform foci. And you might have guessed already that, yes, none of them actually work out in the end.
So finally, a whole tree will be dedicated to actually solving the castes. Let’s take a look.
Interesting analogy there, isn’t it? All of these foci will pop up a little event where you pick from a few solutions to a given problem. In the end, these solutions did have effect, but still don’t work out. The last focus before the end is a final attempt - a revolution, suicide of sorts. It can work out, believe it or not!
There are three possible outcomes - either the government accepts the castes as something that just won’t be changed, it has managed to reform them successfully enough that they don’t have as much of an effect as before, or the “revolution” took place, and the caste system died, quite possibly along with the government.
Let’s also take a look at one final tree in this diary! In fact, my second favourite - the diplomacy tree!
India, as stated before, is a wildcard. It will attempt to play the governments of all big powers of the world, almost regardless of the ideology of the government.
The paths may appear quite linear, but in substance they are not, as the recipient can at any point decline further negotiations, sensing a form of scam, and block the rest of the path.
Let’s take a look at Germany first.
Germany is sort of alone on the world stage. It has its own loyal sphere, but faced with the civil war, it has probably lost a lot of it along with all their friends. However, India does not discriminate. Very lucrative economic deals can be made with Germany, making their exports and imports almost dependent on India - in the end having India as the only real ally. As you might however guess, the Germans aren’t *necessarily* idiots, and a smarter government like Speer can easily play the whole deal around.
Now for Italy.
Italy is an oil power, and a friendly fascist regime close to India, that also isn’t Germany. India can attempt to lure Italy to outsource most of their production to them, and then make the deals better for themselves - essentially making the Italian economy somewhat dependent on India, while India remains independent.
And Japan.
Japan is an isolationist power, trading pretty much only with its sphere and like one other country. India can come to them as a gateway, offering a friendly door to the world, without too much interaction. This of course means letting go of Bengal, but that’s a compromise we can agree on, can’t we? This, if done properly, could lead Japan to become diplomatically dependent on India as a mediator with the world.
There is of course also America.
America cannot be played like the other countries. They aren’t a minor power, they aren’t isolated and they aren’t literally dead like Germany. India must suck up to them, buttering them up, giving lucrative investment deals, and eventually possibly even joining the OFN.
But there is more!
The others - small, independent nations like Iran, Afghanistan, Tibet or most of South America. Extensive investment from the rising India, paid military protection, non-discrimination for all regimes can make India the leader of a completely new faction - the Non-Aligned Movement.
This tree’s end is mutually exclusive with the end of the American tree, and both trees are more likely to be declined by the recipient the more foci have been taken in the other tree.
That would be it for the India diary! In a few weeks you’ll also see the… other paths India can go with. I hope you enjoyed this one, as small as it was!
But now for the third tree!
Wait, wait, whoa whoa whoa, hold up there. A revolution? Yes, comrade! A revolution! The revolution has arrived, and its opponents are enemies of the people!
Ok, to be honest, I’m conflicted here. Prosperity and equality for the poor - sure, maybe it works, but indoctrination and propaganda? This could backfire. And it might backfire horribly. But if you succeed, comrade! A global revolution awaits!
No matter what, there are two things all the governments must face - the minorities and the castes. Except the social conservatives, they can ignore the castes.
Let’s take a look at these, first, Pakistan.
Pakistan has been unruly for all of these past years. And now with the government’s continuous negligence of the issue, even after the turmoil of 1962-64, they demand immediate action.
India can pick between integration, autonomy and independence. The choices themselves are rather self-explanatory - but I just need to say that at least one of these can horribly backfire…
Now, the second issue - castes. You might have seen earlier a few of the caste reform foci. And you might have guessed already that, yes, none of them actually work out in the end.
So finally, a whole tree will be dedicated to actually solving the castes. Let’s take a look.
Interesting analogy there, isn’t it? All of these foci will pop up a little event where you pick from a few solutions to a given problem. In the end, these solutions did have effect, but still don’t work out. The last focus before the end is a final attempt - a revolution, suicide of sorts. It can work out, believe it or not!
There are three possible outcomes - either the government accepts the castes as something that just won’t be changed, it has managed to reform them successfully enough that they don’t have as much of an effect as before, or the “revolution” took place, and the caste system died, quite possibly along with the government.
Let’s also take a look at one final tree in this diary! In fact, my second favourite - the diplomacy tree!
India, as stated before, is a wildcard. It will attempt to play the governments of all big powers of the world, almost regardless of the ideology of the government.
The paths may appear quite linear, but in substance they are not, as the recipient can at any point decline further negotiations, sensing a form of scam, and block the rest of the path.
Let’s take a look at Germany first.
Germany is sort of alone on the world stage. It has its own loyal sphere, but faced with the civil war, it has probably lost a lot of it along with all their friends. However, India does not discriminate. Very lucrative economic deals can be made with Germany, making their exports and imports almost dependent on India - in the end having India as the only real ally. As you might however guess, the Germans aren’t *necessarily* idiots, and a smarter government like Speer can easily play the whole deal around.
Now for Italy.
Italy is an oil power, and a friendly fascist regime close to India, that also isn’t Germany. India can attempt to lure Italy to outsource most of their production to them, and then make the deals better for themselves - essentially making the Italian economy somewhat dependent on India, while India remains independent.
And Japan.
Japan is an isolationist power, trading pretty much only with its sphere and like one other country. India can come to them as a gateway, offering a friendly door to the world, without too much interaction. This of course means letting go of Bengal, but that’s a compromise we can agree on, can’t we? This, if done properly, could lead Japan to become diplomatically dependent on India as a mediator with the world.
There is of course also America.
America cannot be played like the other countries. They aren’t a minor power, they aren’t isolated and they aren’t literally dead like Germany. India must suck up to them, buttering them up, giving lucrative investment deals, and eventually possibly even joining the OFN.
But there is more!
The others - small, independent nations like Iran, Afghanistan, Tibet or most of South America. Extensive investment from the rising India, paid military protection, non-discrimination for all regimes can make India the leader of a completely new faction - the Non-Aligned Movement.
This tree’s end is mutually exclusive with the end of the American tree, and both trees are more likely to be declined by the recipient the more foci have been taken in the other tree.
That would be it for the India diary! In a few weeks you’ll also see the… other paths India can go with. I hope you enjoyed this one, as small as it was!
That was fascinating - thank you! Looking forward to hearing more about what's going on in Asia.
How much of the Madagascar plan was implemented in this universe? Will there be a way to play as a Jewish Madagascar due to an uprising during the German civil war?
The Pathans most likely took advantage of the post-War confusion and tried to snap up as much of the North-Western Frontier as they could.
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