What were your ideas? I'd love to see another person's take on it.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Pretty much the same as yours, I guess. I would have made a moderate Republican (Brian Sandoval or Jon Huntsman, maybe?) Howard Dean's VP, though.
Electoral History of President Dino Rossi
1992-1996: Dino Rossi (CCC) [1]
def. 1992 Jay Inslee (SDP), Sean Peterson(P)
def. 1996 Brad Owen (SDP), Paul Delaney (P)
2000-2008: Councilman Dino Rossi (CCC)/Mike Lowry (CCC) [2]
def. 2000 Councilman William Gates (SDP)/Jay Inslee (SDP), Dean Wolf (P)/Paul Delaney (P)
2012-0000: Fmr. Gov. Dino Rossi (CCC-CS)/Butch Otter (CCC-CG) [3]
def. 2012 Gary Locke (SDP-CS)/Christine Gregoire (SDP-TW), Ruth Bennett (P-TW)/Dean Wolf (P-YL)
def. 2018 Matt Groening (SDP-TW)/Frm. Councilman William Gates (SDP-CS), Sarah Heath (P-BR)/John Smith (P-OR)
[1] Election for Councilmen
[2] Election for Governor of Clackamas
[3] Election for President of the Cascade Republic
1992-1996: Dino Rossi (CCC) [1]
def. 1992 Jay Inslee (SDP), Sean Peterson(P)
def. 1996 Brad Owen (SDP), Paul Delaney (P)
2000-2008: Councilman Dino Rossi (CCC)/Mike Lowry (CCC) [2]
def. 2000 Councilman William Gates (SDP)/Jay Inslee (SDP), Dean Wolf (P)/Paul Delaney (P)
2012-0000: Fmr. Gov. Dino Rossi (CCC-CS)/Butch Otter (CCC-CG) [3]
def. 2012 Gary Locke (SDP-CS)/Christine Gregoire (SDP-TW), Ruth Bennett (P-TW)/Dean Wolf (P-YL)
def. 2018 Matt Groening (SDP-TW)/Frm. Councilman William Gates (SDP-CS), Sarah Heath (P-BR)/John Smith (P-OR)
[1] Election for Councilmen
[2] Election for Governor of Clackamas
[3] Election for President of the Cascade Republic
Based on a KR game I played a few months ago, so basic POD is KR's while I diviated from the canon in regards US presidents a bit to add to the "US is in total political turmoil" thing
1913-1919: Woodrow Wilson (DEM) / Thomas R. Marshall (DEM)
def. 1912 Fmr. Pres. Theodore Roosevelt (PROG) / Gov. Hiram Johnson (PROG), Pres. William Taft (GOP) / Mr. Nicholas Butler (GOP), Fmr. State Rep. Eugene V. Debs (SOC) / Mayor Emil Seidel (SOC)
def. 1916 Justice Charles E. Hughes (GOP) / Fmr. VPres. Charles W. Fairbanks (GOP), Mr. Allan L. Benson (SOC) / Mr. George R. Kirkpatrick (SOC)
1919-1921: Thomas R. Marshall (DEM) / Vacant
1921-1929: Williams Gibbs McAdoo (DEM) / A. Mitchell Palmer (DEM)
def. 1920, Sen. Warren G. Harding (GOP) / Gov. Calvin Coolidge (GOP), Fmr. State Rep. Eugene V. Debs (SOC) / Mr. Seymour Stedman (SOC)
def. 1924 Gov. Calvin Coolidge (GOP) / Sen. James E. Watson (GOP), Sen. Robert M. LaFollette (L-PROG), Sen. Burton K. Wheeler (L-PROG), Sen. Hiram Johnson (R-PROG) / Gov. Gifford Pinchot (R-PROG)
1929-1930: Henry T. Allen (DEM) / Oscar Underwood (DEM)
def. 1928 Gov. Herbert Hoover (GOP) / Gov. Frank Lowden (GOP), Sen. George W. Norris (U-PROG) / Sen. William E. Borah (U-PROG), Rev. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Mr. James H. Maurer (SOC)
1930-1933: Oscar Underwood (DEM) / Vacant
1933-1937: Herbert Hoover (GOP) / Charles Curtis (GOP)
def. 1932 Pres. Oscar Underwood (DEM) / Gov. Al Smith (DEM), Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Jacob Coxey (SOC)
1937-1941: Charles Curtis (GOP) / Quentin Roosevelt (GOP)
def. 1936 Sen. John Reed (SOC) / Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC), Spkr. John Nance Garner (DEM) / Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM), Sen. Huey Long (AFUP) / Mr. Charles Lindbergh (AFUP)
1941-1947: Quentin Roosevelt (GOP) / Fiorello H. LaGuardia (GOP)
def. 1940 Spkr. John Nance Garner (DEM) / Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM), Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Max Schachtmann (SOC)
def. 1944 Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM) / Sen. Alben W. Barkley (DEM)
1947-1949: Quentin Roosevelt (GOP) / Vacant
1949-1957: Thomas Dewey (GOP) / Henry A. Wallace (GOP)
def. 1948 Sen. Alben W. Barkley (DEM) / Sen. Frank A. Harriman (DEM), Gov. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Sen. Upton Sinclair (SOC)
def. 1952 Sen. Harry S. Truman (DEM) / Sen. John J. Sparkman (DEM)
1957-1962: Henry A. Wallace (GOP) / Charles P. Taft (GOP)
def. 1956 Gov. Adalai Stevenson (DEM) / Sen. Hubert Humphrey (DEM)
def 1960 Sen. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (DEM) / Gov. Ross Barnett (DEM), Sen. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Gov. Max Schachtmann (SOC)
1962-1965: Charles P. Taft (GOP) / Vacant
1965-1969: Nelson Rockefeller (GOP) / J. Irving Whalley (GOP)
def. 1964 Sen. Robert B. Meyer (DEM) / Gov. Pat Brown (DEM), Sen. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Leo Isacson (SOC)
def. 1968 Gov. John Connolly (DEM) / Sen. Albert Gore (DEM), Gov. Max Schachtmann (SOC) / Sen. Vito Marcantonio (SOC)
1969-1971: J. Irving Whalley (GOP) / Vacant
1971-1971: John P. Saylor (GOP) / Vacant
1971-1973: George Aiken (GOP) / Vacant
1973-19XX: John Connolly (DEM) / Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (DEM)
def. Gov. Malcom Little (SOC) / Gov. Leo Isacson (SOC), Gov. George Romney (GOP) / Sen. Chapman Revercomb (GOP)
Legend:
DEM: Democratic Party
GOP: Republican Party
SOC: Socialist Party
PROG: Progressive Party (1912)
L-PROG: Progressive Party (LaFollette)
R-PROG: Progressive Party (Rooseveltian)
U-PROG: United Progressive Party
AFUP: American First Union Party
1913-1919: Woodrow Wilson (DEM) / Thomas R. Marshall (DEM)
def. 1912 Fmr. Pres. Theodore Roosevelt (PROG) / Gov. Hiram Johnson (PROG), Pres. William Taft (GOP) / Mr. Nicholas Butler (GOP), Fmr. State Rep. Eugene V. Debs (SOC) / Mayor Emil Seidel (SOC)
def. 1916 Justice Charles E. Hughes (GOP) / Fmr. VPres. Charles W. Fairbanks (GOP), Mr. Allan L. Benson (SOC) / Mr. George R. Kirkpatrick (SOC)
1919-1921: Thomas R. Marshall (DEM) / Vacant
1921-1929: Williams Gibbs McAdoo (DEM) / A. Mitchell Palmer (DEM)
def. 1920, Sen. Warren G. Harding (GOP) / Gov. Calvin Coolidge (GOP), Fmr. State Rep. Eugene V. Debs (SOC) / Mr. Seymour Stedman (SOC)
def. 1924 Gov. Calvin Coolidge (GOP) / Sen. James E. Watson (GOP), Sen. Robert M. LaFollette (L-PROG), Sen. Burton K. Wheeler (L-PROG), Sen. Hiram Johnson (R-PROG) / Gov. Gifford Pinchot (R-PROG)
1929-1930: Henry T. Allen (DEM) / Oscar Underwood (DEM)
def. 1928 Gov. Herbert Hoover (GOP) / Gov. Frank Lowden (GOP), Sen. George W. Norris (U-PROG) / Sen. William E. Borah (U-PROG), Rev. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Mr. James H. Maurer (SOC)
1930-1933: Oscar Underwood (DEM) / Vacant
1933-1937: Herbert Hoover (GOP) / Charles Curtis (GOP)
def. 1932 Pres. Oscar Underwood (DEM) / Gov. Al Smith (DEM), Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Jacob Coxey (SOC)
1937-1941: Charles Curtis (GOP) / Quentin Roosevelt (GOP)
def. 1936 Sen. John Reed (SOC) / Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC), Spkr. John Nance Garner (DEM) / Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM), Sen. Huey Long (AFUP) / Mr. Charles Lindbergh (AFUP)
1941-1947: Quentin Roosevelt (GOP) / Fiorello H. LaGuardia (GOP)
def. 1940 Spkr. John Nance Garner (DEM) / Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM), Mayor Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Max Schachtmann (SOC)
def. 1944 Sen. Cordell Hull (DEM) / Sen. Alben W. Barkley (DEM)
1947-1949: Quentin Roosevelt (GOP) / Vacant
1949-1957: Thomas Dewey (GOP) / Henry A. Wallace (GOP)
def. 1948 Sen. Alben W. Barkley (DEM) / Sen. Frank A. Harriman (DEM), Gov. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Sen. Upton Sinclair (SOC)
def. 1952 Sen. Harry S. Truman (DEM) / Sen. John J. Sparkman (DEM)
1957-1962: Henry A. Wallace (GOP) / Charles P. Taft (GOP)
def. 1956 Gov. Adalai Stevenson (DEM) / Sen. Hubert Humphrey (DEM)
def 1960 Sen. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (DEM) / Gov. Ross Barnett (DEM), Sen. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Gov. Max Schachtmann (SOC)
1962-1965: Charles P. Taft (GOP) / Vacant
1965-1969: Nelson Rockefeller (GOP) / J. Irving Whalley (GOP)
def. 1964 Sen. Robert B. Meyer (DEM) / Gov. Pat Brown (DEM), Sen. Norman Thomas (SOC) / Rep. Leo Isacson (SOC)
def. 1968 Gov. John Connolly (DEM) / Sen. Albert Gore (DEM), Gov. Max Schachtmann (SOC) / Sen. Vito Marcantonio (SOC)
1969-1971: J. Irving Whalley (GOP) / Vacant
1971-1971: John P. Saylor (GOP) / Vacant
1971-1973: George Aiken (GOP) / Vacant
1973-19XX: John Connolly (DEM) / Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. (DEM)
def. Gov. Malcom Little (SOC) / Gov. Leo Isacson (SOC), Gov. George Romney (GOP) / Sen. Chapman Revercomb (GOP)
Legend:
DEM: Democratic Party
GOP: Republican Party
SOC: Socialist Party
PROG: Progressive Party (1912)
L-PROG: Progressive Party (LaFollette)
R-PROG: Progressive Party (Rooseveltian)
U-PROG: United Progressive Party
AFUP: American First Union Party
'The Empire is America 10 years from now'
1969-1987: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1968 (with Spiro Agnew) def. Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), George Wallace (American Independent)
1972 (with Spiro Agnew) def. George McGovern (Democratic)
1976 (with Ronald Reagan) def. Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1980 (with Ronald Reagan) def. Ron Dellums (Democratic-Socialist Alliance)
1987-1987: Ronald Reagan (Independent)
1987-1988: John Connally (Republican)
1988-1988: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1988-0000: Shirley Chisholm (Alliance To Restore Constitutional Government)
1988 (with John Glenn) def. scattered Republican candidates
So uh.
yeah
1969-1987: Richard Nixon (Republican)
1968 (with Spiro Agnew) def. Hubert Humphrey (Democratic), George Wallace (American Independent)
1972 (with Spiro Agnew) def. George McGovern (Democratic)
1976 (with Ronald Reagan) def. Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1980 (with Ronald Reagan) def. Ron Dellums (Democratic-Socialist Alliance)
1987-1987: Ronald Reagan (Independent)
1987-1988: John Connally (Republican)
1988-1988: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1988-0000: Shirley Chisholm (Alliance To Restore Constitutional Government)
1988 (with John Glenn) def. scattered Republican candidates
So uh.
yeah
@Kaiser Julius that is some list.
@GermanDjinn why doesn't Hoover get a second term? Why does Curtis live longer?
@GermanDjinn why doesn't Hoover get a second term? Why does Curtis live longer?
The list is based off of Kaiserreich's canon list of US presidents until 1936. Everything after that is headcanon. In Kaiserreich's offical canon Hoover serves two terms but considering the Great Depression started in 1925 in KR, I just don't see Hoover getting elected for more than one term. The only reason I have McAdoo get reelected is due to a massive three way republican split, and Ford only gets elected due to the split persisting. Curtis canonically only serves one term as IOTL he dies in 1936 but he survives in KR, my headcanon is he knows he doesn't have much time left and that he physically can't serve more than one term.
I don't know why Hoover's VP would be noinated in Hoover's place and elected if Hoover himself is so toxic.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's just what kaisrreich gives me, but he is getting removed as the compromise candidate in the next patch and being replaced by everyone's favorite one term progressive president from the Ruins timeline, FLOYD B. OLSON!
I have this vague idea for a timeline I call Morning Comes Early. Inspired by the recent timelines exploring the survival of JFK, I've thought about a possibility briefly touched on in one of them; Reagan/Kuchel for governor/lieutenant governor in 1962, with Nixon seeking a return to the Senate instead of the governorship that year. Without further ado, I give you the governors of California in that timeline from the POD onward as I've considered them thus far:
Pat Brown (Democratic) 1959-1963 [1]
Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1963-1969 [2]
Thomas Kuchel (Republican) 1969-1979 [3]
John Garamendi (Democratic) 1979-1987 [4]
George Deukmejian (Republican) 1987-1995 [5]
Tom Hayden (People's Party/Peace and Freedom Party) 1995-1999 [6]
Al Checchi (Democratic) 1999-2007 [7]
Tom McClintock (Republican) 2007-2015 [8]
Peter Camejo (People's-Peace and Freedom Party and Green Party) 2015- 20XX [9]
I may add footnotes later.
Pat Brown (Democratic) 1959-1963 [1]
Ronald Reagan (Republican) 1963-1969 [2]
Thomas Kuchel (Republican) 1969-1979 [3]
John Garamendi (Democratic) 1979-1987 [4]
George Deukmejian (Republican) 1987-1995 [5]
Tom Hayden (People's Party/Peace and Freedom Party) 1995-1999 [6]
Al Checchi (Democratic) 1999-2007 [7]
Tom McClintock (Republican) 2007-2015 [8]
Peter Camejo (People's-Peace and Freedom Party and Green Party) 2015- 20XX [9]
I may add footnotes later.
Larger Canada:
Synopsis: Basically No Civil War, why, cause the US rebellion succeeds, but only kind of, the British are able to take everything south to Pennsylvania, including Ohio, Illanois, Oregon, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Indiana etc. Everything south is the US however. A treaty is signed (The Treaty of Baltimore) securing these borders (the US take Baja, otl Sonora, Chihuaha, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas for trade purposes after a war with Mexico however).
Anyway
2000-2010: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative) [1]
2000 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), Jean Chretien (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2004 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), John Edwards (Liberal), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2007 Def: John Kerry (Liberal), Jack Lydon (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2010-2011: Jack Lydon (New Democratic) [2]
2010 Def: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2011-2015: Bernie Sanders (New Democratic) [3]
2011 Def: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Steven Harper (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2015-: Barack Obama (Liberal) [4]
2015 Def: John Kasich (Progressive Conservative), Donald Trump (Reform), Thomas Muclair (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)
[1] Rodham would win the election against Jean Chretien after the latter's inability to deliver on key policies. Rodham would lead the world through the Iraq War (in which she followed neighbours the United States into the global conflict) as well as Afghanistan after the attacks on Lincoln Plaza in Washington.
[2] Would become the first non Liberal or Progressive-Conservative to become Prime Minister ever.
[3] Would take over after Lydon passed away, would work on healthcare to improve it further.
[4] The first PM from Illanois, Obama would win office after Sanders agreed to not run in the upcoming election (freeing up space for Thomas Muclair to become leader for the party).
Synopsis: Basically No Civil War, why, cause the US rebellion succeeds, but only kind of, the British are able to take everything south to Pennsylvania, including Ohio, Illanois, Oregon, Wyoming, the Dakotas, Indiana etc. Everything south is the US however. A treaty is signed (The Treaty of Baltimore) securing these borders (the US take Baja, otl Sonora, Chihuaha, Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas for trade purposes after a war with Mexico however).
Anyway
2000-2010: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative) [1]
2000 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), Jean Chretien (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2004 Def: Dennis Kucinich (New Democratic), John Edwards (Liberal), Ralph Nader (Greens)
2007 Def: John Kerry (Liberal), Jack Lydon (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2010-2011: Jack Lydon (New Democratic) [2]
2010 Def: Hillary Rodham (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2011-2015: Bernie Sanders (New Democratic) [3]
2011 Def: Michael Ignatieff (Liberal), Steven Harper (Progressive Conservative), Elizabeth May (Greens)
2015-: Barack Obama (Liberal) [4]
2015 Def: John Kasich (Progressive Conservative), Donald Trump (Reform), Thomas Muclair (New Democratic), Elizabeth May (Greens)
[1] Rodham would win the election against Jean Chretien after the latter's inability to deliver on key policies. Rodham would lead the world through the Iraq War (in which she followed neighbours the United States into the global conflict) as well as Afghanistan after the attacks on Lincoln Plaza in Washington.
[2] Would become the first non Liberal or Progressive-Conservative to become Prime Minister ever.
[3] Would take over after Lydon passed away, would work on healthcare to improve it further.
[4] The first PM from Illanois, Obama would win office after Sanders agreed to not run in the upcoming election (freeing up space for Thomas Muclair to become leader for the party).
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Oooh, I like it! Very interesting, any plans to expand on it because it’s a cool concept. I like how Obama becomes PM and how Hillary was PM from 2000 to 2010.
Is Missouri in Canada or the US?
Its a US border state. I may end up doing something with it if i get the time to.
My big issue is that i don't want it to america-centric (i mean i'd like a mix of canadians also).
Zachary VIII
Banned
What if right wing fever dreams about a Communist coup by the Democrats came true (Please note this is satire)?
The United States Presidential Election of 2016
Ted Cruz/Rick Scott (Republican)
Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren (Democratic), Gary Johnson/William Weld (Libertarian)
Throughout the election season, the Cruz campaign polled ahead of the Socialist Democrat Bernie Sanders. During election night, it became clear that Cruz would win as he was declared the victor in key swing states such as Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. However, before Cruz could be declared victor, Democrat President Barack Obama suspended the election under the excuse of "uncovering wide scale voter fraud". The election was declared to be rescheduled at a later unknown date. Many Republican states ignored this and recognized Cruz as the winner. Obama retaliated by declaring Sanders the winner and suspending all federal aid programs to the "Cruz" states, many states that voted for Sanders declared him to be the winner of the election, although some with GOP governors stayed neutral. More Republican states recognized Cruz as the President Elect and refused to pay taxes to the federal government. This "cold war" between the states lasted until the inauguration of Bernie Sanders in Washington. It's noted that Sanders was not sworn in with a Bible In his inaugural speech, Sanders declared his first act as President would be to arrest the few Republican representatives who didn't boycott the inauguration and return to their home states, and declare that "It's time to eliminate the infestation of the Corporate Fascist parasites from this country". He ordered an invasion of the "rebelling" states by the national guards of neighboring "loyal" states. The Republican states appointed Cruz as their President and he quickly assembled a cabinet. The Second American Civil War had begun.
Presidents of the United States (Sanders government)
2008-2017: Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic)
2017-2019: Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren (Democratic) [1]
Head Secretaries of the American Socialist Union
2019-2023: Bernie Sanders (Communist Party of America) [2]
2023-2026: Keith Ellison (CPA(Eastern Faction)) [3]
2023: Eric Garcetti (CPA(West Coast Faction))
2026: Bill de Blasio (CPA) [4]
Presidents of the United States (Cruz government, later official government)
2017-2018: Ted Cruz/Rick Scott (Republican)
2018-2025: Ted Cruz/Joe Manchin (Unity) [5]
2025-2029: Rick Perry/Orrin Hatch (Unity) [6]
2024: John Bel Edwards/Mark Warner (Patriotic Democratic) [7]
2029-2037: Rob Portman/Tom Cotton (Unity)
2028: John Bel Edwards/Steve Bullock (Democratic Reform)
2032: Steve Bullock/Charlie Baker (Democratic Reform)
President of the Pacific Socialist States
2023-2027: Eric Garcetti (Socialist Workers Party) [8]
Prime Ministers of the Republic of Hawaii
2024-2028: Tulsi Gabbard (Aloha ʻĀina) [9]
2028-2032: Russell Ruderman (Hawaian Socialist/Green Aliance) [10]
2028: Tulsi Gabbard (Aloha ʻĀina), Duke Aiona (Union with America)
[1] President Sanders alienated many moderate members of the Democratic party (the only functioning party in the Sanders controlled states) with his extreme anti capitalist rhetoric and use of military force. A spit in the Democrats occurred once it became clear that the initial offences into conservative held territory would not be sufficient to end the conflict, early in 2019 Andrew Coumo ran for president in under a platform of a cease fire and peace treaty with the conservatives. That election would never occur.
[2] In the summer of 2019, President Sanders and his supporters unilaterally reformed the United States into the American Socialist Union (A.S.U) with him as its leader, or "Head Secretary". He drafted a new constitution, abolished the Democratic party and formed a new overtly Communist party in its place and arrested any Democrats who opposed this new order. The Senate was abolished and the House was renamed the "Worker's Assembly", Any future Head Secretaries would be elected by the Worker's Assembly. Not all representatives were able to meet the at New York (the new capital due to D.C being to close to the front lines), the West coast states functioned as an autonomous entity with little connection with the Northeast and contested areas of Virginia and the Rust Belt. With the Conservatives controlling most of the farm states, food shortages were common, especially in the isolated cities that declared their allegiance to the A.S.U, most notably Houston, which held out until 2021. By then, the front lines had mostly stabilized, with the U.S controlling everything besides the northern Atlantic, coastal areas of California, Washington and Oregon, and parts of the Great Lakes region, such as Chicago. This stalemate lasted past Sanders's death in early 2023.
[3] The unexpected death of Sanders's threw the Worker's Assembly into chaos as representatives vied for power, either by seeking leadership for themselves or currying favor from potential Head Secretary candidates. This culminated into the election of one of Sanders's protegees; representative Keith Ellison. This irreversibly strained relations with the West coast and they severed relations with the Eastern A.S.U, instead electing favorite son, Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti. Ellison's leadership was troubled by a sustained U.S offense and Canada's withdrawal of material support in 2024. D.C was captured in late 2024 and Chicago in 2025. By the summer of 2026, New York city was under siege and Ellison resigned and surrendered, calling on the rest of the A.S.U to do so.
[4] Bill de Blasio was Head Secretary for only a month. His entire term consisted of negotiating the terms of surrender, and convincing the diehard communist holdouts to quit. On July 23rd, 2026, the A.S.U officially surrendered to the U.S. The war on the eastern front had ended.
[5] On May 8th, 2018, President Cruz replaced his Vice President with Democrat turncoat, Joe Manchin, and formed the Unity Party. He declared that "this is not the time for political bickering and infighting". Just as the Republican Party would rule for decades after he first Civil War, the Unity Party would do so after the Second, before collapsing into it's Conservative and Centrist factions in the 2050's. For now the Unity Party was basically a renamed Republican Party. President Cruz's congress was obedient and the administration faced no real opposition, the 2020 election was suspended and he was confirmed for a second term by Congress. His new party would nominate and elect fellow Texan, Rick Perry in 2024.
[6] While President Cruz always left the possibility of peaceful reunification open, President Perry enthusiastically pursued the war. By the time he was in office, the A.S.U was weakened and isolated, with right wing local militias in a long term guerrilla war with Communist forces. A series of lightning attacks took territory as far North as upstate New York and isolated resistance in the West coast to a few cities. These attacks were sustained and by 2027, the country was united once again. The Cruz administration drifted to the center in an attempt to moderates and position his government as legitimate. Perry, on the other hand, was staunchly Conservative. This was shown during the early years of Reconstruction. Many Communist officers and government officials were given life sentences, even if they had little ideological fervor. Perry refused to seek a second term, and the Unity Party nominated moderate Rob Portman and right winger Tom Cotton, cementing the party's role as a big tent coalition. Portman's administration undid many of the harsher Reconstruction policies of the Perry administration, he was seen as one of America's greatest presidents.
[7] The 2024 election was the first since the outbreak of war. Due to Rick Perry's refusal to select a former Democrat his running mate, the Patriotic Democratic Party was founded by moderate Democrats on a platform that desired a peace treaty with the Communists. Perry won over 70 percent of the vote. After the election, the Patriotic Democratic Party was reformed into the less clunky sounding Democratic Reform Party. They became the main opposition party in the post war years.
[8] Eric Garcetti declared independence from the A.S.U. Declaring an independent nation comprising of California, Cascadia, and until 2024, Hawaii. In reality, he only really controlled the coastal portions and was forced to rule with an iron fist in order to prevent any coup against him. His regime only lasted as long as it did because of support from Mexico, which stopped in 2026. By the time he surrendered, only the cities of San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and parts of Los Angeles remained under his control.
[9] Tulsi Gabbard declared independence from the Pacific states and founded a reasonably functioning nation, despite food shortages. She was undone in the 2028 elections by a scandal that she colluded with China in order to receive monetary benefits.
[10] Russel Ruderman was one of the most popular Prime Ministers of Hawaii. In his 4 year tenure, he secured U.N and American recognition and normalized relations with the United States. Due to him, Hawaii was the only state to successfully leave the Union as a result of the Second American Civil War.
The United States Presidential Election of 2016
Ted Cruz/Rick Scott (Republican)
Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren (Democratic), Gary Johnson/William Weld (Libertarian)
Throughout the election season, the Cruz campaign polled ahead of the Socialist Democrat Bernie Sanders. During election night, it became clear that Cruz would win as he was declared the victor in key swing states such as Florida, Ohio and North Carolina. However, before Cruz could be declared victor, Democrat President Barack Obama suspended the election under the excuse of "uncovering wide scale voter fraud". The election was declared to be rescheduled at a later unknown date. Many Republican states ignored this and recognized Cruz as the winner. Obama retaliated by declaring Sanders the winner and suspending all federal aid programs to the "Cruz" states, many states that voted for Sanders declared him to be the winner of the election, although some with GOP governors stayed neutral. More Republican states recognized Cruz as the President Elect and refused to pay taxes to the federal government. This "cold war" between the states lasted until the inauguration of Bernie Sanders in Washington. It's noted that Sanders was not sworn in with a Bible In his inaugural speech, Sanders declared his first act as President would be to arrest the few Republican representatives who didn't boycott the inauguration and return to their home states, and declare that "It's time to eliminate the infestation of the Corporate Fascist parasites from this country". He ordered an invasion of the "rebelling" states by the national guards of neighboring "loyal" states. The Republican states appointed Cruz as their President and he quickly assembled a cabinet. The Second American Civil War had begun.
Presidents of the United States (Sanders government)
2008-2017: Barack Obama/Joe Biden (Democratic)
2017-2019: Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren (Democratic) [1]
Head Secretaries of the American Socialist Union
2019-
2023-2026: Keith Ellison (CPA(Eastern Faction)) [3]
2023: Eric Garcetti (CPA(West Coast Faction))
2026: Bill de Blasio (CPA) [4]
Presidents of the United States (Cruz government, later official government)
2017-2018: Ted Cruz/Rick Scott (Republican)
2018-2025: Ted Cruz/Joe Manchin (Unity) [5]
2025-2029: Rick Perry/Orrin Hatch (Unity) [6]
2024: John Bel Edwards/Mark Warner (Patriotic Democratic) [7]
2029-2037: Rob Portman/Tom Cotton (Unity)
2028: John Bel Edwards/Steve Bullock (Democratic Reform)
2032: Steve Bullock/Charlie Baker (Democratic Reform)
President of the Pacific Socialist States
2023-2027: Eric Garcetti (Socialist Workers Party) [8]
Prime Ministers of the Republic of Hawaii
2024-2028: Tulsi Gabbard (Aloha ʻĀina) [9]
2028-2032: Russell Ruderman (Hawaian Socialist/Green Aliance) [10]
2028: Tulsi Gabbard (Aloha ʻĀina), Duke Aiona (Union with America)
[1] President Sanders alienated many moderate members of the Democratic party (the only functioning party in the Sanders controlled states) with his extreme anti capitalist rhetoric and use of military force. A spit in the Democrats occurred once it became clear that the initial offences into conservative held territory would not be sufficient to end the conflict, early in 2019 Andrew Coumo ran for president in under a platform of a cease fire and peace treaty with the conservatives. That election would never occur.
[2] In the summer of 2019, President Sanders and his supporters unilaterally reformed the United States into the American Socialist Union (A.S.U) with him as its leader, or "Head Secretary". He drafted a new constitution, abolished the Democratic party and formed a new overtly Communist party in its place and arrested any Democrats who opposed this new order. The Senate was abolished and the House was renamed the "Worker's Assembly", Any future Head Secretaries would be elected by the Worker's Assembly. Not all representatives were able to meet the at New York (the new capital due to D.C being to close to the front lines), the West coast states functioned as an autonomous entity with little connection with the Northeast and contested areas of Virginia and the Rust Belt. With the Conservatives controlling most of the farm states, food shortages were common, especially in the isolated cities that declared their allegiance to the A.S.U, most notably Houston, which held out until 2021. By then, the front lines had mostly stabilized, with the U.S controlling everything besides the northern Atlantic, coastal areas of California, Washington and Oregon, and parts of the Great Lakes region, such as Chicago. This stalemate lasted past Sanders's death in early 2023.
[3] The unexpected death of Sanders's threw the Worker's Assembly into chaos as representatives vied for power, either by seeking leadership for themselves or currying favor from potential Head Secretary candidates. This culminated into the election of one of Sanders's protegees; representative Keith Ellison. This irreversibly strained relations with the West coast and they severed relations with the Eastern A.S.U, instead electing favorite son, Los Angeles mayor Eric Garcetti. Ellison's leadership was troubled by a sustained U.S offense and Canada's withdrawal of material support in 2024. D.C was captured in late 2024 and Chicago in 2025. By the summer of 2026, New York city was under siege and Ellison resigned and surrendered, calling on the rest of the A.S.U to do so.
[4] Bill de Blasio was Head Secretary for only a month. His entire term consisted of negotiating the terms of surrender, and convincing the diehard communist holdouts to quit. On July 23rd, 2026, the A.S.U officially surrendered to the U.S. The war on the eastern front had ended.
[5] On May 8th, 2018, President Cruz replaced his Vice President with Democrat turncoat, Joe Manchin, and formed the Unity Party. He declared that "this is not the time for political bickering and infighting". Just as the Republican Party would rule for decades after he first Civil War, the Unity Party would do so after the Second, before collapsing into it's Conservative and Centrist factions in the 2050's. For now the Unity Party was basically a renamed Republican Party. President Cruz's congress was obedient and the administration faced no real opposition, the 2020 election was suspended and he was confirmed for a second term by Congress. His new party would nominate and elect fellow Texan, Rick Perry in 2024.
[6] While President Cruz always left the possibility of peaceful reunification open, President Perry enthusiastically pursued the war. By the time he was in office, the A.S.U was weakened and isolated, with right wing local militias in a long term guerrilla war with Communist forces. A series of lightning attacks took territory as far North as upstate New York and isolated resistance in the West coast to a few cities. These attacks were sustained and by 2027, the country was united once again. The Cruz administration drifted to the center in an attempt to moderates and position his government as legitimate. Perry, on the other hand, was staunchly Conservative. This was shown during the early years of Reconstruction. Many Communist officers and government officials were given life sentences, even if they had little ideological fervor. Perry refused to seek a second term, and the Unity Party nominated moderate Rob Portman and right winger Tom Cotton, cementing the party's role as a big tent coalition. Portman's administration undid many of the harsher Reconstruction policies of the Perry administration, he was seen as one of America's greatest presidents.
[7] The 2024 election was the first since the outbreak of war. Due to Rick Perry's refusal to select a former Democrat his running mate, the Patriotic Democratic Party was founded by moderate Democrats on a platform that desired a peace treaty with the Communists. Perry won over 70 percent of the vote. After the election, the Patriotic Democratic Party was reformed into the less clunky sounding Democratic Reform Party. They became the main opposition party in the post war years.
[8] Eric Garcetti declared independence from the A.S.U. Declaring an independent nation comprising of California, Cascadia, and until 2024, Hawaii. In reality, he only really controlled the coastal portions and was forced to rule with an iron fist in order to prevent any coup against him. His regime only lasted as long as it did because of support from Mexico, which stopped in 2026. By the time he surrendered, only the cities of San Francisco, Portland, Seattle and parts of Los Angeles remained under his control.
[9] Tulsi Gabbard declared independence from the Pacific states and founded a reasonably functioning nation, despite food shortages. She was undone in the 2028 elections by a scandal that she colluded with China in order to receive monetary benefits.
[10] Russel Ruderman was one of the most popular Prime Ministers of Hawaii. In his 4 year tenure, he secured U.N and American recognition and normalized relations with the United States. Due to him, Hawaii was the only state to successfully leave the Union as a result of the Second American Civil War.
The Federation Of The United Kingdom
POD: 1974 Power Sharing in Ulster survives leading to similar powers being devolved to Scotland and Wales. UK becomes Federal entity in 1983
FIRST MINISTERS OF THE FEDERATION
1983 England: Denis Healey
Scotland: Wille Ross
Wales: Dafydd Elis-Thomas
NI: James Molyneux
POD: 1974 Power Sharing in Ulster survives leading to similar powers being devolved to Scotland and Wales. UK becomes Federal entity in 1983
FIRST MINISTERS OF THE FEDERATION
1983 England: Denis Healey
Scotland: Wille Ross
Wales: Dafydd Elis-Thomas
NI: James Molyneux
Gentleman Biaggi
Banned
Governors of California:
Tom Bradley (Democratic) 1983-1985*
Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic) 1985-1987
Def. George Deukmejian (Republican)
Mike Curb (Republican) 1987-1991
Def. Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic)
Frank Zappa (Freak Power) 1991-1999
1990 Def. Mike Curb (Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
1994 Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom) Ron Unz (Republican) Dennis Peron (Independent Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
Pete Wilson (United Republican) 1999-2003
Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom-Democratic Alliance)
*Resigned to become Vice President
Tom Bradley (Democratic) 1983-1985*
Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic) 1985-1987
Def. George Deukmejian (Republican)
Mike Curb (Republican) 1987-1991
Def. Leo T. McCarthy (Democratic)
Frank Zappa (Freak Power) 1991-1999
1990 Def. Mike Curb (Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
1994 Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom) Ron Unz (Republican) Dennis Peron (Independent Republican) John Van De Kamp (Democratic)
Pete Wilson (United Republican) 1999-2003
Def. Jerry Brown (Freedom-Democratic Alliance)
*Resigned to become Vice President
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BlackentheBorg
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...does the right-wing actually consider Garcetti to be socialist in policy? Or is that just more satire?
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