Hail, Britannia

Pre-1876 ITTL. The flag of Great Britain also appears in the canton of the flag of the Ohioan State of Wasatch, and was common on most flags in British America until they were updated post-1876.

Sabine was heavily settled by the British, and in the immediate post-independence period was the area most ardently in favour of union with Britain. The inclusion of the old Union Flag in the Sabine flag represents the heritage of the region and their ties to British America. I’d assume that Sabine is home to the most pro-monarchist and pro-British Texans (though not that many).

Actually it does make more sense for Sabine to be a parliamentary system. Consider it changed :) Probably with a Westminster system modelled after an OTL Canadian province’s system.
So there was no act of union 1801
 

LeinadB93

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So there was no act of union 1801

No. Ireland was established as a separate realm of the British crown in 1782 (Grattan's Parliament) with a status comparable to Virginia, with a democratic(ish) Parliament and elected First Minister. The lack of the American Revolution butterflies the 1798 Irish Rebellion, taking much of the impetus for the OTL 1801 Acts of Union out of the equation.

1876 is when Great Britain, Ireland and the British American dominions are united into the modern Empire.
 

LeinadB93

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What's King of the Hill like ITTL?

Much as OTL I’d imagine. Bit unclear on the TV situation at present, but I’d assume that show would be produced in Texas by a Texan analogue to FOX.

Hold on is the Prime Minister of Accarra a made up person?

Yes, as are all the Accran politiicans in that election. However most of the historic Accran Prime Ministers are real people, although several are fictional to reflect Accra’s status as a major deviation from OTL.

I’ve also made a few alterations to the world map, based on discussions with people and reading some of Southeast Asian history. I’ve expanded East Sunda as a separate Lusophone state, and given part of the Riau Islands to the Malaysian state of Johor. I imagine Indonesia as more of a federal republic ITTL. Thailand also loses Pattani to Malaysian, where it makes up the Sultanate of Pattani.

Credit to @Wayside for helping me with the Middle East, where the Hashemite Federation of the Mashriq and Hejaz dominates the region, stretching from the fertile lands of Iraq and Syria in the north to the holy sites of Hejaz in the south. The Wahhabist Saudis are displaced as the major oil suppliers by the mercantile Rashidi Kingdom of Nejd, whilst the Saudi Kingdom of Hasa occupies a small part of the Gulf Coast.

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Well, There are a few OTL Ghanan politicians and Actors that can fit the images of those two people so it's not that big of an issue. Accara isn't that important but it looks like a nice holiday destination.
 

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Much as OTL I’d imagine. Bit unclear on the TV situation at present, but I’d assume that show would be produced in Texas by a Texan analogue to FOX.



Yes, as are all the Accran politiicans in that election. However most of the historic Accran Prime Ministers are real people, although several are fictional to reflect Accra’s status as a major deviation from OTL.

I’ve also made a few alterations to the world map, based on discussions with people and reading some of Southeast Asian history. I’ve expanded East Sunda as a separate Lusophone state, and given part of the Riau Islands to the Malaysian state of Johor. I imagine Indonesia as more of a federal republic ITTL. Thailand also loses Pattani to Malaysian, where it makes up the Sultanate of Pattani.

Credit to @Wayside for helping me with the Middle East, where the Hashemite Federation of the Mashriq and Hejaz dominates the region, stretching from the fertile lands of Iraq and Syria in the north to the holy sites of Hejaz in the south. The Wahhabist Saudis are displaced as the major oil suppliers by the mercantile Rashidi Kingdom of Nejd, whilst the Saudi Kingdom of Hasa occupies a small part of the Gulf Coast.

ACtually switch the names of Hasa and Nejd around since al-Hasa is the actual Persian Gulf region, while Nejd is the desert hinterland
 

LeinadB93

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Well, There are a few OTL Ghanan politicians and Actors that can fit the images of those two people so it's not that big of an issue. Accara isn't that important but it looks like a nice holiday destination.

Not really sure what you mean. I genuinely choose either actors or obscure (usually city level politicians) to portray non-OTL individuals.

Accra's a pretty popular holiday destination for Brits :)

ACtually switch the names of Hasa and Nejd around since al-Hasa is the actual Persian Gulf region, while Nejd is the desert hinterland

I think I've got them the right way round, the Rashidis are based in Riyadh in the heart of the Nejd region, whilst the Saudis remain along the coast of the Persian Gulf.

So to clarify; Nejd is the brown-coloured state in central Arabia, whilst Hasa is the green state on the Persian Gulf.
 
Not really sure what you mean. I genuinely choose either actors or obscure (usually city level politicians) to portray non-OTL individuals.
I mean as in you can compare OTL Ghanan politicians to have an Idea of what Radisha is like. Like in my mind she could be like Shirley Botchway or Catharine Afeku.
 
India; Badishahs and Prime Ministers of India

LeinadB93

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I mean as in you can compare OTL Ghanan politicians to have an Idea of what Radisha is like. Like in my mind she could be like Shirley Botchway or Catharine Afeku.

I didn't even know those two existed. I'm probably going to go back and amend Accra to include Catherine Afeku as the incumbent Prime Minister and Liberal party leader. Thanks :D

So to tide you all over whilst I finish work on the Australian update, and prepare a pre-election news piece (as well as prep for next weeks imperial election), here's a redone version of the previous infobox on Indian subcontinent. Plus some lists of the heads of state (credit to @Wayside) and heads of government of the Federation of India:

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The Federation of India, also known as the Indian Empire or Hindustan, is a sovereign state located on the Indian subcontinent in South Asia, bounded by the Indian Ocean to the south, the Arabian Sea to the south-west, and the Bay of Bengal to the south-east. The fifth-largest country by area, India shares land borders with the Imperial State of Iran and the Kingdom of Afghanistan to the west, the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics, the State of Tibet, and the kingdoms of Nepal and Bhutan to the north, and the Union of Burma to the east. India also claims the Aksai Chin region, which is currently administered as part of the Soviet republic of Uyghuristan. In the Indian Ocean, India is in the vicinity of Sri Lanka and the British Andaman and Nicobar Islands, whilst the Maldives share a maritime border with British Mauritius.

The Indian subcontinent was home to the urban Indus Valley Civilisation of the 3rd millennium BCE — one of the world's earliest civilisations. In the following millennium, the oldest scriptures associated with Hinduism began to be composed. Large-scale urbanisation occurred on the Ganges in the first millennium BCE leading to the Mahajanapadas, and Buddhism and Jainism arose. Early political consolidations took place under the Maurya, Satavahana and Gupta empires; the later peninsular Middle Kingdoms influenced cultures as far as Southeast Asia. In the medieval era, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Islam arrived, and Sikhism emerged, all adding to the region's diverse culture. Much of the north fell to the Delhi sultanate; the south was united under the Vijayanagara Empire. The country was first unified in the 17th century by the Mughal Empire, but throughout the 18th and 19th centuries came under the control of first the Maratha Empire and then the British East India Company, which began in 1757. The 1857 Indian Rebellion led to end of company rule in India, with the British Crown assuming direct control of the company's Indian territories as the British Raj, with Queen-Empress Victoria was proclaimed Empress of India, and the political amalgamation was de facto called the Indian Empire.

A nationalist movement emerged in the late 19th century, which later, under Mahatma Gandhi, was noted for nonviolent resistance to British colonial rule. In 1905, Viceroy Curzon attempted to partition the province of Bengal in the hopes of weakening the nationalist movement. The first steps were taken toward self-government in India in the late 19th century with the establishment of provincial councils with Indian members, and the 1909 Morley-Minto Reforms gave Indians limited roles in the central and provincial legislatures. In 1911, King George V became the first monarch to be crowned Emperor of India in person at their own Delhi Durbar, where he announced the capital would be moved from Calcutta to Delhi, a Muslim stronghold. During the First World War, some 1.4 million Indian and British soldiers of the British Indian Army took part in the conflict, primarily in the Middle East, and their participation had a wider cultural fallout as news spread how bravely soldiers fought and died alongside British soldiers. The war would prove to be a watershed in the imperial relationship between the British Empire and the Raj, with India being a founding member of the League of Nations in 1920, and leaders of the Indian National Congress led calls for greater self-government.

In 1935, the Indian Empire gained de facto independence from the British Empire with the passage of the Government of India Act, which created an Indian-led central government and established the country as a self-governing non-integrated dominion, similar in status to the Union of the Cape. Burma was separated from India at the same time, and remained a British crown colony until 1948. The First Indian Constitution, as the act is now known in India, would mark the beginning of the nearly twenty-year long process of "Indian Integration", where the rulers of the princely states ceded their sovereignty to the new central government and the territories of other colonial powers were acquired diplomatically. During the Second World War, over two million Indians volunteered for service in the British Army, and they saw service in numerous campaigns, especially the Middle East and Southeast Asia. On the subcontinent, the nationalist leader Subhas Chandra Bose gained support from the Axis Powers for Indian independence, organising the Indian National Army and establishing the Provisional Government of Azad Hind, which controlled parts of modern Northeast India. Chinese forces established a presence on Indian territory, also occupying neighbouring Burma, and would only surrender after the atomic bombings of Shanghai and Tianjin in 1946.

The late 1940s and 50s saw India undergoing profound political change, beginning with the adoption of Statute of Westminster in 1947, which severed most of the remaining political and legislative links with the British Empire, and the gradually transformation of the British colonial empire into the modern Commonwealth. Vital to India's growing self-image as an independent nation was its constitution, completed in 1951, which transformed the country into secular and democratic state. Under this constitution, after the death of George VI in 1952, the position of Emperor was renamed as "Badishah" and made an elective monarchy, with the holder elected from amongst the heads of the princely states. India was neutral in the Cold War, maintaining close economic ties to both the British Commonwealth and the Soviet Union, although the country supported the democrats in the Chinese Civil War. India became a permanent member of the UN Security Council in 1971, and conducted its first nuclear test in 1974, having been a recognised nuclear power ever since. From the 1950s to the 1980s, India was characterised by socialist policies, with an economy influenced by protectionism and public ownership, leading to widespread corruption. An attempt by Prime Minister Indira Gandi to declare a state of emergency in the 1970s led to a rare political intervention by the Badishah, who removed her from office. Economic liberalisation and market-based economic reforms in the 1990s has led to India becoming one of the world's fastest-growing major economies and is considered a newly industrialised country, however India continues to face the challenges of poverty, corruption, religious tensions, and regional separatism.

As of 2017, India is a pluralistic, multilingual, and a multi-ethnic society, home to a diversity of wildlife in a variety of protected habitats. India is widely recognised for its wide cinema, rich cuisine and lush wildlife and vegetation. India has one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, the seventh-largest by nominal GDP and the third-largest by purchasing power parity. Today India is a nuclear-weapon state and a major world power, with a prominent voice in global affairs as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, a leading member of the Commonwealth of Nations and the Non-Aligned Movement, and is recognised as a potential future superpower.

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Viceroys and Governors General of the Indian Empire (1899–1952)
11. 1899–1905 George Curzon, 1st Lord Curzon of Kedleston
11. 1905–1910 Gilbert Elliot-Murray-Kynynmound, 4th Earl of Minto
11. 1910–1916 Charles Hardinge, 1st Baron Hardinge of Penshurst
11. 1916–1921 William Howard Taft, 1st Viscount Taft of Mount Auburn
11. 1921–1926 Leonard Wood, 1st Lord Wood
11. 1926–1930 Rufus Isaacs, 1st Earl of Reading
11. 1930–1936 Cornelis Vanderbilt, 4th Earl Vanderbilt
11. 1936–1941 Theodore Roosevelt, 2nd Earl of Medora
11. 1941–1946 Victor Hope, 2nd Marquess of Linlithgow
11. 1946–1947 Archibald Wavell, 1st Viscount Wavell
11. 1947–1952 Bodhchandra, King of Manipur​
Badishahs of the Federation of India (1952–)
11. 1952–1958 Bodhchandra of Manipur [1]
12. 1958–1967 Mir Osman of Hyderabad
13. 1967–1978 Shatrusalyasinhji of Nawangar [2]
14. 1978–1991 Bhim Singh of Rajasthan
15. 1991–2000 Vibhuti Narayan Singh of Banares
16. 2000–2015 Tukoji Rao Pawar of Dewas [3]
17. 2015–2018 Karan Singh of Kashmir [4]
Designate: Duleep Singh of Punjab

[1] - Since he didn't have to abandon his title, Bodhchandra lives several years longer than in OTL, and is remembered as "Pitaji Bharat" - the Father of India.
[2] - Voluntarily abdicated in order to "pursue other means that may benefit the people of India", to this day, he's a noted humanitarian, particularly in the field of wildlife conservation.
[3] - Tukoji was the first Badishah to have been born after the adoption of the new constitution, and led the country through a time of geopolitical uncertainty and sweeping modernisation. His death in 2015 came as a shock to many, with his funeral drawing millions from around the nation.
[4] - Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir.​

Prime Ministers of India (1935–)
11. 1935–1938 Motilal Nehru† (National Congress)
12. 1938–1947 Muhammad Ali Jinnah (National Congress)
13. 1947–1950 Vallabhbhai Patel† (Bharatiya Janata)
14. 1950–1955 Morarji Desai (Bharatiya Janata)
15. 1955–1962 Jawaharlal Nehru (National Congress)
16. 1962–1965 Charan Singh (Bharatiya Janata)
17. 1965–1973 Indira Gandi (National Congress)
18. 1973–1980 Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (National Congress)
19. 1980–1984 Vishwanath Pratap Singh (Janata Dal)
10. 1984–1989 Rajiv Gandi (National Congress)
11. 1989–1994 Atal Bihari Vajpayee (Bharatiya Janata)
12. 1994–1997 H. D. Deve Gowda (Janata Dal)
13. 1997–1999 Shaukat Aziz (Janata Dal)
14. 1999–2002 Nawaz Sharif (Bharatiya Janata)
15. 2002–2003 L. K. Advani (Bharatiya Janata)
16. 2003–2011 Manmohan Singh (National Congress)
17. 2011–2016 Narendra Modi (Bharatiya Janata)
18. 2016–2022 Benazir Bhutto (National Congress)
 
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Can't even get past the first page.

I'm sorry, I really want to like this. But a pre-1776 PoD with enormous ramifications and yet Donald Trump is still born on the exact same day, with the exact same name, and follows the exact same trajectory? And the same is true of Clinton and many others? The graphics are brilliant and I get that they're the real point of all this, but that really ruins it for me. It's just lazy.
 

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Can't even get past the first page.

I'm sorry, I really want to like this. But a pre-1776 PoD with enormous ramifications and yet Donald Trump is still born on the exact same day, with the exact same name, and follows the exact same trajectory? And the same is true of Clinton and many others? The graphics are brilliant and I get that they're the real point of all this, but that really ruins it for me. It's just lazy.

As someone who has been following this for sometime, I disagree. Realistically, its unlikely that the same people would be born and go on to have similar lives, sure, but its a lot more interesting to see where OTL people end up in this ATL and to fill the politics of these nations with figures whose views and policies I can relate to their own views and policies in our world than to fill the world with a bunch a made-up names that mean literally nothing to me.
 
As someone who has been following this for sometime, I disagree. Realistically, its unlikely that the same people would be born and go on to have similar lives, sure, but its a lot more interesting to see where OTL people end up in this ATL and to fill the politics of these nations with figures whose views and policies I can relate to their own views and policies in our world than to fill the world with a bunch a made-up names that mean literally nothing to me.

Most works of fiction use made-up names. Anyway I don't wanna start dragging this TL to the side; clearly it's not for me, I just wanted to give my two cents.
 
Can't even get past the first page.

I'm sorry, I really want to like this. But a pre-1776 PoD with enormous ramifications and yet Donald Trump is still born on the exact same day, with the exact same name, and follows the exact same trajectory? And the same is true of Clinton and many others? The graphics are brilliant and I get that they're the real point of all this, but that really ruins it for me. It's just lazy.
Most works of fiction use made-up names. Anyway I don't wanna start dragging this TL to the side; clearly it's not for me, I just wanted to give my two cents.
Can I ask did you read what type of timeline this is, as in the beginning post LeinadB93 clearly says what type it is ?
 
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As someone who has been following this for sometime, I disagree. Realistically, its unlikely that the same people would be born and go on to have similar lives, sure, but its a lot more interesting to see where OTL people end up in this ATL and to fill the politics of these nations with figures whose views and policies I can relate to their own views and policies in our world than to fill the world with a bunch a made-up names that mean literally nothing to me.

Also, it's just a lot more fun. I'd rather read about Prime Minister Jimmy Carter than MP Joe Smith.
 
Apologies for the delay in commentary, but I love the extra post on Texan state history! It seems just as eclectic and unique a setup as likely in TTLs Lone Star Republic. Interesting how Navajo was meant as an Oklahoma analogue; would that mean a mini-Trail of Tears analogue happened (given the Tribes settling east of the Pecos), or was it aimed more at the SW Nations with the other peoples having the option to assimilate? Then again, that's assuming the Cherokee/Alabama/Caddo/etc Tribes are as heavy on the ground as OTL which may not be the case.

In any case, love your work!
 
I've never posted here before, but this TL(?) is absolutely fantastic and hopefully some day I get around to reading it in full. Keep up the good work!
 

LeinadB93

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Apologies for the delay in commentary, but I love the extra post on Texan state history! It seems just as eclectic and unique a setup as likely in TTLs Lone Star Republic. Interesting how Navajo was meant as an Oklahoma analogue; would that mean a mini-Trail of Tears analogue happened (given the Tribes settling east of the Pecos), or was it aimed more at the SW Nations with the other peoples having the option to assimilate? Then again, that's assuming the Cherokee/Alabama/Caddo/etc Tribes are as heavy on the ground as OTL which may not be the case.

In any case, love your work!

Thanks :) I like the idea of Texas of TTL being a bit of a mismatch of systems.

I'd imagine there would probably be a Texan Trail of Tears in the immediate post-independence period, coupled with a general exodus of non-Anglophones westwards. A lot of the OTL Native Americans from TTL's British America stayed in OTL Oklahoma and Arkansas, rather than crossing the border into then-Mexican Texas. I'd assume that a lot of Texan First Nations would have integrated into mainstream society, perhaps retaining tribal groups as cultural organisations, whereas in Navajo the nations have largely intermingled to form a unique cultural blend of OTL Southwestern Native American cultures, mixed with Hispanic characteristics.

Hope that makes sense.

Can't even get past the first page.

I'm sorry, I really want to like this. But a pre-1776 PoD with enormous ramifications and yet Donald Trump is still born on the exact same day, with the exact same name, and follows the exact same trajectory? And the same is true of Clinton and many others? The graphics are brilliant and I get that they're the real point of all this, but that really ruins it for me. It's just lazy.
Can I ask did you read what type of timeline this is, as in the beginning post LeinadB93 clearly says what type it is ?

As @StormStar says, this series is explicitly stated to be halfway between a Type II and Type III scenario on the Sliding Scale of Alternate History Plausibility.

As someone who has been following this for sometime, I disagree. Realistically, its unlikely that the same people would be born and go on to have similar lives, sure, but its a lot more interesting to see where OTL people end up in this ATL and to fill the politics of these nations with figures whose views and policies I can relate to their own views and policies in our world than to fill the world with a bunch a made-up names that mean literally nothing to me.
I've never posted here before, but this TL(?) is absolutely fantastic and hopefully some day I get around to reading it in full. Keep up the good work!

Glad you're enjoying it :D

Also, it's just a lot more fun. I'd rather read about Prime Minister Jimmy Carter than MP Joe Smith.

Indeed :p I've got a bio of Carter that @Nazi Space Spy did lying around somewhere...
 
Most Noble and Most Illustrious Order of the Eagle

LeinadB93

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Unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond my control I'm going to have to postpone the British imperial election scheduled for tomorrow until the Summer, most likely either 2 or 9 August.

My current situation in the real world means that I do not have the time I would like to devote to this project, and I have been unable able to structure this election to a level near I think you all deserve.

I will still be updating this thread as and when I complete posts, and I hope to get back into the habit of biweekly news bulletins in due course.

I apologise for the disappointment and thank you all for your continued support. The next update will be Saturday, but until then please enjoy this brief snapshot of something unique:

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The Most Noble and Most Illustrious Order of the Eagle, commonly known as the Order of the Eagle, is a British order of chivalry associated with Britain-in-America, founded by Frederick I in 1751 after his coronation as King-Emperor. The Order was created at the request of the First Minister of Virginia, Richard Henry Lee, and George Washington to reward Americans for their political support to the new monarch. The Order's primary emblem is the eagle, an important symbol of British America, and the motto is In Memoriam In Spem (Latin for "In memory in hope"). Appointments are made at the Sovereign's sole discretion. Membership of the Order is limited to the Sovereign, the Prince of Chesapeake, the Prince of Appalachia, and no more than 48 living members, or Companions. The order also includes supernumerary knights and ladies (e.g., members of the British Royal and Imperial Family and foreign monarchs, mainly those from the Americas).

Traditionally, reigning American monarchs are admitted to the Order as Strangers, and currently Ramón IV of California, Luis II of Peru, Juan IV of Argentina, Fernando VIII of Cuba, and Pedro V of Brazil are Stranger Knights of the Eagle. No Mexican or Haitian monarch has ever been admitted to the Order. The President of Texas is traditionally admitted after their inauguration, an honour retained, but rarely used, by all previous and current presidents. New appointments to the Order of the Eagle are often announced on 30 June, the date Frederick I was proclaimed as "Emperor of All Britain" in 1751. Although most British orders of chivalry cover the entire empire, the five most exalted ones each pertain to one constituent country or region only. By convention, Knights and Ladies of the Order of Eagle have a connection to the American Dominions, and a longstanding tradition is that an American imperial prime minister will be appointed to the Order after their resignation at the next available vacancy. Knights and Ladies Companion use the post-nominal letters "KE" and "LE" respectively.

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That's the greatest update I've ever seen in this thread that I didn't know I needed until now; British American peerages! :biggrin:

EDIT; WRT Texan presidents being honorary Stranger Knights, now I can't unsee somebody jousting at a tourney in cowboy boots and a Stetson hat!

DOUBLE EDIT: Don't worry about slowing down in updates, the important thing is quality. Keep up the good work (at your own pace)!
 
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