Especially because NY gave up their claims east of the Connecticut in 1691.
Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread
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Yep, this. It's odd, though, because sometimes mapmakers didn't keep up a lot, or even people's perceptions - Delaware was still seen as part of Pennsylvania by many despite being a legally separate colony/merely sharing a governor (a la NJ/NY and MA/NH for times), Ben Franklin still talked on "the Jerseys", etc. etc.
Tried to make a worlda of this:I don't know if anyone has ever drawn a complete coast to coast map, but this gives you an idea (1770s)
Isn't some of that owned by superpowers like Britain and France?
Considering some fire-eaters thought they could someday win the ideology war so bad WITHIN America so much they'd be "selling slaves in Boston Common" one day, I think we can safely assume "connected to reality" is not an apt descriptor of the Slaveocracy pre-and-during-the-Civil War.
Here we have Intermarium. It was proposed after the end of World War I by Polish leader Józef Piłsudski. It was to be a Federation between several Eastern European nations, many of whom were notable for being kicked around by other empires, both to unify them into a single state and to serve as a buffer zone between Germany and Russia to prevent another war. Of course, the only one who approved of his idea was France. The project died soon afterward.
It's also worth noting that there were quite a few different ideas on who should be in Intermarium and this is only one of them.
Did someone literally say that part about slave auctions in Boston?
Yes. I'd have to fish out the book I read it in, but it exists. I'll try to later today.
A large version of the Talleyrand partition plan for Belgium (by the French ambassador to Britain Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord), made after the Belgian Revolution which separated them from the Netherlands and part of negotiations made by the great powers over Belgium's future. This proposal was ultimately rejected in favor of the recognition of a unified Belgian state at the London Conference of 1830.
Proposal for a reorganization of Switzerland by General Guillaume Brun (draft of the 16th and the 19th of March 1798)
Any other parts you'd like to have a translation of?
Cross-posting from a thread I started asking about the borders of a federal Queensland.
Mark Drummond's PhD Thesis also includes an appendix with numerous other proposed divisions of Australian colonies/states.
It can be found using Google and I didn't put the link as I can't remember site policy on posting links to obscure websites, but as you asked: http://members.webone.com.au/~markld/PhD/thesis.html
The part I refer to is Appendix 2A: Australian New State Proposals.
Thanks! These look good for consideration of alternate states to be created.
I'm pretty sure the policy is only about not linking to websites that are conspiratorial in nature; this seems to be a good resource (if anything else, the maps are worth the link).
Jan Smuts' 1895 proposal for Greater South Africa, with its border set at the Zambezi river.
Didn't know his aim for Mozambique went back to 1895. I know in 1915 during WWI, he had hoped that the Portuguese would be willing to swamp Mozambique (or perhaps just Mozambique south of the Zambezi) for southern Tanganyika. He also proposed renaming German South-West Africa as "Bothaland"
Did he really want to partition the former southern Portuguese East Africa between Transvaal and southern Rhodesia? And merge "Bothaland" with Bechuanaland?