Seems a young Lieutenant in the French Army Corps. of Engineers, Jean Baptiste Meusnier (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Baptiste_Meusnier) was the originator of the "dirigible" concept but his proposal was not pursued, (
https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...be-part-of-our-transportation-infrastructure/) though in 1984 Gallagher, (of fruit-smashing fame) sponsored the building of a one man powered blimp named "White Dwarf" (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Dwarf_(dirigible) ) which flew 58.08mi/93km with an average speed of about 7mph/11kph. Nothing spectacular of course and an actual 'engine' would be preferred but if you're trying to make some propaganda...
Just Leo wrote:
The Zeppelin-Staaken E-4/20 was designed by Rohrbach. He could never create its equal on his own dime. I never learned how to link, and I'm an old dog.
No issues, but dang it's ahead of its time; (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeppelin-Staaken_E-4/20) And as historical hind-sight has proven the IAC/"Winners" of WWI were far too harsh for their own good.
The Aero-Club of France was created in 1898, and founded the international federation, FAI or IAF, in 1905.
Apperently the "official" Gas Balloon Association was founded in 1901 though there was the phenomena of "Balloonomania" in France and most of Europe during the late 18th and early 19th century, (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloonomania) which you would think would have spawned some organizations but doesn't seem to have happened that I can find.
Dynasoar wrote:
Referring back to #5, French literature dating back to 1794 proposed steam as a lifting gas for balloons. Lift 0.56 that of hydrogen on a volumetric basis, which means airships dimensions scaled up 1.21, or if steam spiked with 15% hydrogen (will not ignite), 1.17 linear increase.
I've been seeing this proposal for years now, (
http://www.flyingkettle.com/) which obviously has a more "British" bent, they did mention the French which is probably nice of them
IRRC 15% hydrogen is below the mixture ratio for general ignition but it's going to build up 'hot' hydrogen in the upper part of the envelope and what material are you using you can inject 'live' steam into it at that time period? Note, I'm not 'dissing' the idea, I like it, (gives the French Navy something to 'do' other than blockade duty and there's always the 'bonus' of "one-upping" the Army of course
) I'm just trying to get a better handle on the whole idea/design.
BTW; a 'vignette' playing in my mind has a hand-cranked version initially dropping some grenades on the German siege positions at night and "getting lucky" with a resupply movement for the artillery stores... But never mind that now
(Ok, as another "aside" here in reading the Wikipedia article on the Franco-Prussian War for what the French and German Navies were up to I note that N-III and staff had made plans to invade Northern Germany if war broke out... And I immediately became scared of getting banned by CalBear because the Frisian Islands came to mind for some reason. I'M SORRY!
)
Back on subject/track:
Dynasoar wrote:
Without going into details of condensation within the envelope, which would be a more than adequate condenser for steam engine propulsion (drain back to boiler) the numbers come together nicely for a non-flammable, essentially silent night raider.
Oh go into details you damn tease
Some of us live for technical discussions we have neither the engineering nor math skills to actually follow you know
Semi-seriously how 'silent' are we talking as steam engines of the period were actually rather loud, especially the lighter ones which tended to have leaky seals due to said light construction. Most importantly of course;
Where do we put the propeller? (Insert clip of the "rational, calm, and well laid out argument" from the Aeroclub in "Master of the World" here
)
Airframe should be semi-rigid, like "Norge" or earlier configurations. Depending on burner control and vaporization rate, no internal ballonet should be required.
Agree with the semi-rigid design though I'm not sure the burner/vaporization control fineness will be available at the time. What kind of payload are we looking at do you think?
Anyway once you have a propaganda "victory" of any stripe that can be attributed to the Aerostat-Dirigible, (rather than balloon-dirigible) you'd probably see a repeat of the "Balloonomania" mentioned above with most European nations rapidly making developments. And by somewhere a but after 1903, (and we can't forget that the 'butterflies' might actually have someone else be the 'first' as well) heavier than air flight begins but initially would seem very limited and less desirable in general than lighter-than-air flight.
It won't last of course as HTA is going to always be more robust than LTA all other things being equal but for a brief shining moment...
Randy