American Congo effects on Africa as a whole?

[dianaswordofsappho]

So originally at the congress of Berlin when the Congo came up in order to prevent wars between European powers there were two choices for the territory

The Congo had been a contention point between the powers and was decided to be given to a power uninterested in Europe and the like like the US


Or a minor country such as Belgium



So if the USA manages to aqquire the Congo(maybe more settlement in Liberia?) How is it going to effect the continent and the like as a whole

Remember this question isn’t about why the USA would aqquire the Congo more about how it’s going to effect Africa if they aqquire it

 

[Infinity]

There would be much better sanitation in Congo, resulting in a current population of 200 million people. Note, the toxic Congo river is second only to the Amazon in terms of quantity of water. Since water is vital to industry, Congo would be a first world country today.

South Africa would model its economy on Congo's and become much more prosperous. Their population would be higher than otl due to earlier industrialization. Apartheid would have ended earlier as well.

Nigeria would be like India is today. That is, they create a $3,000 car and are in the process of building some of the world's tallest sky scrapers, but are still a third world country. Their current population would be equal to otl 2050 projected population of $400 million.

More wildlife like gorillas are extinct, as they're native to Congo. Across Africa, wildlife still thrives in deserts. More African diseases are cured. Consequently, the population of Africa is 2 billion.

 

[Md139115]

Now hold on here. America has been a bit better at human rights and treatment of colonial subjects than the European powers, but neither The Philippines nor Puerto Rico could be reasonably described as First World nations today, so what would be different about this hypothetical Congo?

 

[Infinity]

Now hold on here. America has been a bit better at human rights and treatment of colonial subjects than the European powers, but neither The Philippines nor Puerto Rico could be reasonably described as First World nations today, so what would be different about this hypothetical Congo?

Congo's main problem is that their water is undrinkable. Change that variable and the worst case scenario is that they're like Brazil.

In contrast, Puerto Rico has less to offer the U.S. There would be a much stronger economic incentive to make Congo the 51st state.

Yet, if Puerto Rico had become a state, they'd replace Florida as a place for vacations and retirement. Since they're not a state, they remain second class citizens.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

How likely is american settlement in the Kongo if they manage to aqquire it

Also how will this effect Liberia?

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

Congo's main problem is that their water is undrinkable. Change that variable and the worst case scenario is that they're like Brazil.

In contrast, Puerto Rico has less to offer the U.S. There would be a much stronger economic incentive to make Congo the 51st state.

Yet, if Puerto Rico had become a state, they'd replace Florida as a place for vacations and retirement. Since they're not a state, they remain second class citizens.

I don’t think Kongo becoming one state is feasible

Perhaps even five or 6 if it’s even purposed but the Kongo is so large it’s redicolous


2,345,409 km2(905,567 sq mi)

That is a third larger then Alaska

Also the population density is most likely going to be higher here

It’s 34.83/km here so perhaps it’s more around 50?


Wonder how this is going to effect environmental movements and the like

 

[Infinity]

I don’t think Kongo becoming one state is feasible

Perhaps even five or 6 if it’s even purposed but the Kongo is so large it’s redicolous


2,345,409 km2(905,567 sq mi)

That is a third larger then Alaska

Also the population density is most likely going to be higher here

It’s 34.83/km here so perhaps it’s more around 50?


Wonder how this is going to effect environmental movements and the like

Are you concerned about their effect on Congress and presidential elections? Otherwise, I don't see a problem with one state being much more populated than the rest.

They still only get two senators, so even an overwhelming majority shouldn't dictate public policy.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

Are you considered about their effect on Congress and presidential elections? Otherwise, I don't see a problem with one state being much more populated than the rest.

They still only get two senators, so even an overwhelming majority shouldn't dictate public policy.

I suppose

How the hell are districts going to work here?

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

So if the USA also incorporates some of there other territory’s as states and the like

IE the Philippines Panama Liberia along with the Congo
the USA would have a population of roughly 514 million using today’s numbers

Dear god

 

[moxn]

How likely is american settlement in the Kongo if they manage to aqquire it

Also how will this effect Liberia?

Assuming it's more or less the same borders that Belgium had, there could be some settlement int he Katanga region, since it was one of the few places where white people didn't drop like flies. Other than that? Extremely few. There would be military bases with garrisons spread around the territory, but most of them would probably be a death sentence for most of the soldiers unlucky enough to be stationed there long-term.

Since Liberia was a private venture, and this Congo colony would be government-run, there probably wouldn't be much of an effect. There might have been state-sponsored programs to resettle black Americans to the Congo, but it wouldn't have gone far since 1) it'd still be expensive, 2) most black Americans wouldn't want to go, and 3) most of those who did go would drop like flies just like their white compatriots or black counterparts in Liberia.

I think there's no way in hell Congo could have been incorporated as a state(s). The government would try to find some way to exploit it for profit, but beyond that have zero interest in developing anything. It would be much easier, and cheaper, for them to unload that burden on a puppet government, which would let them reap all the profits while avoiding most of the costs.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

Assuming it's more or less the same borders that Belgium had, there could be some settlement int he Katanga region, since it was one of the few places where white people didn't drop like flies. Other than that? Extremely few. There would be military bases with garrisons spread around the territory, but most of them would probably be a death sentence for most of the soldiers unlucky enough to be stationed there long-term.

Since Liberia was a private venture, and this Congo colony would be government-run, there probably wouldn't be much of an effect. There might have been state-sponsored programs to resettle black Americans to the Congo, but it wouldn't have gone far since 1) it'd still be expensive, 2) most black Americans wouldn't want to go, and 3) most of those who did go would drop like flies just like their white compatriots or black counterparts in Liberia.

I think there's no way in hell Congo could have been incorporated as a state(s). The government would try to find some way to exploit it for profit, but beyond that have zero interest in developing anything. It would be much easier, and cheaper, for them to unload that burden on a puppet government, which would let them reap all the profits while avoiding most of the costs.

Maybe the USA establishes a commonwealth sort of thing in this TL?

 

[Deleted member 67076]

There would be much better sanitation in Congo, resulting in a current population of 200 million people. Note, the toxic Congo river is second only to the Amazon in terms of quantity of water. Since water is vital to industry, Congo would be a first world country today.

You'd likely have a smaller population than today all things considered as the demographic transition begins to kick in earlier and faster than OTL under Mobutu's mismanagement.

 

[Escape Zeppelin]

So if the USA also incorporates some of there other territory’s as states and the like

IE the Philippines Panama Liberia along with the Congo
the USA would have a population of roughly 514 million using today’s numbers

Dear god

I think it could even be much higher as healthcare and sanitation would be at least marginally better. I can also see a big big push in the US to incorporate more lands with "white" people to offset the population of Congo.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

I think it could even be much higher as healthcare and sanitation would be at least marginally better. I can also see a big big push in the US to incorporate more lands with "white" people to offset the population of Congo.

Hmmph

Cuba and the like is likely
Maybe they still keep Brunei in ATL
or at least some cities

Also the USA might expand more into Central America in this TL?
The Yucatan too
Wonder what allies they’re going to look for in this ATL

 

[Infinity]

You'd likely have a smaller population than today all things considered as the demographic transition begins to kick in earlier and faster than OTL under Mobutu's mismanagement.

What sort of demographic transition do you have in mind? Places like California and Texas have increasing populations. Kongo's population would likely be an amplified version of this.

Consider their otl projected population of 195 million by 2050. They're just now starting to boom. They would have boomed much earlier atl. Not to mention, the 20 million who died under Leopold's brutal working conditions would reproduce in this timeline.

Source: https://www.populationpyramid.net/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/2050/

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

What sort of demographic transition do you have in mind? Places like California and Texas have increasing populations. Kongo's population would likely be an amplified version of this.

Consider their otl projected population of 195 million by 2050. They're just now starting to boom. They would have boomed much earlier atl. Not to mention, the 20 million who died under Leopold's brutal working conditions would reproduce in this timeline.

Source: https://www.populationpyramid.net/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/2050/

If the Philippines is integrated into the USA along with the Kongo in ATL you might see a US with a population of 1 billion by 2100

 

[Manman]

They might keep Katanga and leave the rest as a its own nation with large American control.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

They might keep Katanga and leave the rest as a its own nation with large American control.

The coastal area is more likely

It depends on the society in the US of ATL

 

[Deleted member 67076]

What sort of demographic transition do you have in mind? Places like California and Texas have increasing populations. Kongo's population would likely be an amplified version of this.

Consider their otl projected population of 195 million by 2050. They're just now starting to boom. They would have boomed much earlier atl. Not to mention, the 20 million who died under Leopold's brutal working conditions would reproduce in this timeline.

Source: https://www.populationpyramid.net/democratic-republic-of-the-congo/2050/

California and Texas both receive substantial amounts of migrants which I don't think all too many people would be keen to move into much of the Congo. Maybe Katanga and the Eastern Provinces but not much anywhere else.

Because the TFR would begin to drop much earlier than OTL due urbanization, stability, and higher rates education/family planning. While it would be impossible to sketch out specific numbers without knowing the timeline's specific placements, it is highly likely fertility would begin to drop decades earlier due to urbanization and education.

Honestly, millions would probably still die in any colonization timeline due to terrible conditions for rubber, forced relocations, diseases, and endemic warfare. French Central Africa lost 5 million people during its colonization, for example.

 

[dianaswordofsappho]

California and Texas both receive substantial amounts of migrants which I don't think all too many people would be keen to move into much of the Congo. Maybe Katanga and the Eastern Provinces but not much anywhere else.

Because the TFR would begin to drop much earlier than OTL due urbanization, stability, and higher rates education/family planning. While it would be impossible to sketch out specific numbers without knowing the timeline's specific placements, it is highly likely fertility would begin to drop decades earlier due to urbanization and education.

Honestly, millions would probably still die in any colonization timeline due to terrible conditions for rubber, forced relocations, diseases, and endemic warfare. French Central Africa lost 5 million people during its colonization, for example.

Hopefully it will be less terrible in ATL

if World War One is still relatively similar to ATL will the US grab some of Germany’s colonies in Africa

Also who will the USA ally with in this ATL?