Hey again everyone!
Time to kick off something I've wanted to try out, which is to have multiple PODs mashed together and see how it goes. Though I still want to be within the realms of probability in choosing my PODs.
So firstly, there's a new country in Europe. Norway, who becomes an independent kingdom established in 1815 under Charles of Prussia as king [1][2]
And Speaking of which, there are a few more countries who are/Remain monarchies in this world, notably:
1: Portugal under King Manuel II. [3]
2: France under King Philippe VIII.[4]
3: Brazil under Queen Isabel. [5]
4: The United States under King Charles Francis II [6][7]
And as for (overseas) territories here are a few:
1: Sweden keeps St. Barthelemy AND Guadeloupe [8]
2: The Netherlands still has control over Luxembourg [9]
3: The Spanish-American war doesn't happen, instead, Spain sells its Pacific possessions
(including the Philippines) to Germany [10][11]
4: The Gadsden purchase doesn't happen [12]
5: Hispaniola is still divided between French Haiti and Spanish Dominica [13]
6: Ethiopia loses the First Ethiopian-Italian war, making them a part of Italy's colonial empire [14]
7: And the biggest, (although optional) POD is: No Great War [16]
Some of these cause huge butterflies, others maybe not, but the goal is to have a world you can recognise, but still notice that there are a lot of minor differences ITTL.
[1] mostly based on the beginnings of this thread here:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rlier-independent-hohenzollern-norway.358658/
But instead of Wilhelm taking the throne, Prince Charles of Prussia, 3rd son of Frederick William III of Prussia takes it.
[2] I've also planned a miniature empire for Norway, but nothing that'll be of any significance (though if possible, I'd like for Norway to be so "influential" that they're invited to the Berlin Conference)
[3] Everything that led to the deposal of Manuel II is butterflied away. This thread might be helpful in that case: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/can-portugal-keep-their-monarchy.417633/
[4] this thread features how the monarchy in France ITTL comes to be: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/paris-is-worth-a-flag-bourbon-france-1871.23389/
[5] Alfonso survives and ITTL lives until 1913 (still no issue), so the one(s) to hold the Brazilian throne onwards is (as mentioned above) Isabel, younger sister of Alfonso & daughter of Pedro II of Brazil and her descendants.
[6] Probably the nay, THE biggest net of butterflies in this whole alternate world. But I'd like to try out the concept, so I'll roll with it. America is ruled by the House of Adams, founded by John Adams upon the death of George Washington (George I). And by 1914, this man: Charles Francis Adams Jr. Brother of John Quincy Adams II. (who himself was king as John III until 1894) reigns ITTL as Charles Francis II
[7] Yes, I know a monarchy in America, especially a hereditary one at that. Is next to impossible, but I still would see how a world where America is a successful constitutional monarchy would affect the world as a whole. plus, while I know someone like Hamilton, would be more likely to hold the title of King, I chose the Adams as the Royal house though, because the political stuff they did IOTL may or may not be the same. Especially since John Adams was the Second President of the US ITOL, so hey, that's something right???
[8] Basically Sweden never sells or gives away St. Barthelemy and Guadeloupe remains with the Swedish to the present due to them not acquiring Norway as a compensation for Finland, they don't give it back to France and they're recognised as Swedish territory by the new treaty resulting in Norwegian Independence.
[9] Basically Luxembourg either remains in the union with the Netherlands or the Netherlands takes a bold move and outright annexes Luxembourg.
[10] Would this war even happen if the US is a monarchy??? Now I'm not so sure.
[11] Ah yes, "Germany" Would there be a United Germany???
(I'm not gonna lie. That's one of the main reasons I kept Wilhelm in Prussia, as I'd still like to see a united Germany, though I'm not sure if it can realistically happen ITTL)
[12] Simply speaking, neither country agrees to make more purchases at the expense of the other.
[13] This, of course, means France have to somehow crush the rebellion or prevent it, and somehow gain it back after the Napoleonic Wars.
[14] This is meant to make Liberia the only independent nation in Africa (due to US protection) Though I don't know if even that would happen in a Monarchy USA.
[15] There not being a War on the scale of the Great War is, among the likes an American monarchy, is one of my favourite alternate history scenarios. However, this one is optional because a Great War under these circumstances would either be really interesting or just a bit interesting.
Anywho, now try and see what'll happen!
Time to kick off something I've wanted to try out, which is to have multiple PODs mashed together and see how it goes. Though I still want to be within the realms of probability in choosing my PODs.
So firstly, there's a new country in Europe. Norway, who becomes an independent kingdom established in 1815 under Charles of Prussia as king [1][2]
And Speaking of which, there are a few more countries who are/Remain monarchies in this world, notably:
1: Portugal under King Manuel II. [3]
2: France under King Philippe VIII.[4]
3: Brazil under Queen Isabel. [5]
4: The United States under King Charles Francis II [6][7]
And as for (overseas) territories here are a few:
1: Sweden keeps St. Barthelemy AND Guadeloupe [8]
2: The Netherlands still has control over Luxembourg [9]
3: The Spanish-American war doesn't happen, instead, Spain sells its Pacific possessions
(including the Philippines) to Germany [10][11]
4: The Gadsden purchase doesn't happen [12]
5: Hispaniola is still divided between French Haiti and Spanish Dominica [13]
6: Ethiopia loses the First Ethiopian-Italian war, making them a part of Italy's colonial empire [14]
7: And the biggest, (although optional) POD is: No Great War [16]
Some of these cause huge butterflies, others maybe not, but the goal is to have a world you can recognise, but still notice that there are a lot of minor differences ITTL.
[1] mostly based on the beginnings of this thread here:
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...rlier-independent-hohenzollern-norway.358658/
But instead of Wilhelm taking the throne, Prince Charles of Prussia, 3rd son of Frederick William III of Prussia takes it.
[2] I've also planned a miniature empire for Norway, but nothing that'll be of any significance (though if possible, I'd like for Norway to be so "influential" that they're invited to the Berlin Conference)
[3] Everything that led to the deposal of Manuel II is butterflied away. This thread might be helpful in that case: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/can-portugal-keep-their-monarchy.417633/
[4] this thread features how the monarchy in France ITTL comes to be: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/paris-is-worth-a-flag-bourbon-france-1871.23389/
[5] Alfonso survives and ITTL lives until 1913 (still no issue), so the one(s) to hold the Brazilian throne onwards is (as mentioned above) Isabel, younger sister of Alfonso & daughter of Pedro II of Brazil and her descendants.
[6] Probably the nay, THE biggest net of butterflies in this whole alternate world. But I'd like to try out the concept, so I'll roll with it. America is ruled by the House of Adams, founded by John Adams upon the death of George Washington (George I). And by 1914, this man: Charles Francis Adams Jr. Brother of John Quincy Adams II. (who himself was king as John III until 1894) reigns ITTL as Charles Francis II
[7] Yes, I know a monarchy in America, especially a hereditary one at that. Is next to impossible, but I still would see how a world where America is a successful constitutional monarchy would affect the world as a whole. plus, while I know someone like Hamilton, would be more likely to hold the title of King, I chose the Adams as the Royal house though, because the political stuff they did IOTL may or may not be the same. Especially since John Adams was the Second President of the US ITOL, so hey, that's something right???
[8] Basically Sweden never sells or gives away St. Barthelemy and Guadeloupe remains with the Swedish to the present due to them not acquiring Norway as a compensation for Finland, they don't give it back to France and they're recognised as Swedish territory by the new treaty resulting in Norwegian Independence.
[9] Basically Luxembourg either remains in the union with the Netherlands or the Netherlands takes a bold move and outright annexes Luxembourg.
[10] Would this war even happen if the US is a monarchy??? Now I'm not so sure.
[11] Ah yes, "Germany" Would there be a United Germany???
(I'm not gonna lie. That's one of the main reasons I kept Wilhelm in Prussia, as I'd still like to see a united Germany, though I'm not sure if it can realistically happen ITTL)
[12] Simply speaking, neither country agrees to make more purchases at the expense of the other.
[13] This, of course, means France have to somehow crush the rebellion or prevent it, and somehow gain it back after the Napoleonic Wars.
[14] This is meant to make Liberia the only independent nation in Africa (due to US protection) Though I don't know if even that would happen in a Monarchy USA.
[15] There not being a War on the scale of the Great War is, among the likes an American monarchy, is one of my favourite alternate history scenarios. However, this one is optional because a Great War under these circumstances would either be really interesting or just a bit interesting.
Anywho, now try and see what'll happen!
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