I know it is invented. I pulled it out of my head before checking if it was real and finding it was used only in CKII. Pruthenia, if used, would be what they tell the English to spell it as. Otherwise they will have people always talking about them putting the russia in Prussia. And erasing ties to the Russians and Germans is the entire point. I suppose they might not want to know. I'm sure the timeline creator has some ideas for it. He is still active, right? Haven't been reading too much lately.
Twilight of the Red Tsar
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Too be fair, what remains of the State of Palestine IOTL has over four million. Though I can't imagine that many people allowing thesmelves to be marched or packed into traincars for "resettlement in the north/east". I just use the quotation marks as both the Holocaust andnearly a century of people being sent to the gulags would have the refugees a bit hesitant about following such orders. Depends which refugees though, I suppose.
I think an "Alt Left" will appear some point in the future
QueerSpear
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Doubtful, considering the "Alt Left" is a term made up by the Alt Right to make a false equivalence and to trick liberals into opposing views that otherwise they would support.
BigBlueBox
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The chapter about refugees implies they were already being forcefully herded into camps anyways, or forcefully expelled west.
"Do you want to live in an overcrowded refugee camp run by us or an overcrowded refugee camp run by your fellow Russians, in Russian territory?"
"The second option."
QueerSpear
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That's probably what would happen, but as Third Way the political center as a tendency to defend the status quo and aggressively oppose changes, it's also largely emotionally bare and does not mainting its strenght for long. People like Obama are a perfect example of radical centrism, talking greatly about change but ultimately falling in defense of status quo and failing to deliver the promised change.
If it arose TTL, it's far greater cons would outweight the pros and it would ultimately fall from grace.
The Alt-Left are the hard-core Communists, Antifa and other such groups, just as the Alt-Right is largely made up of racialists. But you're half right. Absolutely anything connected with either Communism or Nazism ITTL is going to be hunted to extinction without mercy.
Then the Alt Left and Alt Right ITTL will be entirely different beasts.
Caught up. Good lord, that was really depressing at times. Got a couple of annoying questions:
What's the state of East Austria? I think it wasn't integrated into Germany, so what kind of government does it have? Being right next to Syndie Hungary, it wouldn't be surprising if syndicalism spread there.
How's Estonia doing? Since @Augenis wrote a really neat update about Lithuania's recovery ans briefly mentioned Latvia, I was curious about their northern sorta-bretheren. IIRC ethnic Estonians got practically destroyed by Stalin - Has it been completely integrated into Russia at this point? Is an Estonian revival even possible at this point?
What's the state of East Austria? I think it wasn't integrated into Germany, so what kind of government does it have? Being right next to Syndie Hungary, it wouldn't be surprising if syndicalism spread there.
How's Estonia doing? Since @Augenis wrote a really neat update about Lithuania's recovery ans briefly mentioned Latvia, I was curious about their northern sorta-bretheren. IIRC ethnic Estonians got practically destroyed by Stalin - Has it been completely integrated into Russia at this point? Is an Estonian revival even possible at this point?
There was a mention that the native Estonian population was reduced to 20%. It is under the CNS's control by now, and with such little amount of the bearers of the Estonian heritage, the Estonian national revival seems impossible.
That means Estonia won't be a nation ITTL and even if they did exist, they would be a part of someone else.
BigBlueBox
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The USA never recognized the annexation of Estonia by the Soviet Union. Estonia still has a government-in-exile. The USA could demand the independence of Estonia and the removal of the Russian settlers as a condition for assistance in the rebuilding of Russia.
One problem is I doubt the American populist would exactly be open to spending their tax dollars to help rebuild their enemy.
BigBlueBox
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Well, there was a civil war and the CNS fought the Soviets. With the removal of the hated communists Americans would likely be less likely to oppose sending aid to Russia. We rebuilt Germany and Japan after all, and we had a real war with them, not a cold war. And the USA isn't just going to throw money at the CNS. The money will likely have conditions on it, like having to hire American companies with that money and allow American businesses to enter the country. Much of it will also be in loans too. I'm sure ExxonMobil would like to take a look at the Russian oil fields.
Royal Dutch Shell and other oil companies would also be interested in the Russian oil fields not just ExxonMobil.
Well, America would have more influence in Russia than with European countries like the Netherlands but that doesn't mean that they weren't barred from operating in Russia as well.
BigBlueBox
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Oil contracts are highly political. If Russia is being fed and rebuilt with American aid, then the Russians know who to give the oil contract to.
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