That wasn't the premise of the map though. It was "largest cities in Germany" (by which I assume the HRE is meant), not "largest German cities".
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That wasn't the premise of the map though. It was "largest cities in Germany" (by which I assume the HRE is meant), not "largest German cities".
From the looks of it, it seems to be largest German-German cities since cities outside the HRE's borders are shown.
Then they also include Konigsburg and Danzig, certainly not part of the HRE (or really part any concept of "Germany" until the mid 1800's), so I can only assume they mean largest German cities.
So I know this a joke map, but now I want to see a legit Canada map that has a Canadian Upper Michigan and Maine and an American Southern Ontario.
Progress was made.
Ecclesiastic states (ie Liège, Trier, Köln, Cambrai, Basel, Verdun, Toul, Metz) were considered to be dominions of the Papal States.
Savoy is still ugly with Saluzzo in the middle, and I may have given them a chunk of Liguria by mistake. And I could have issues with a small northward drifting in Lorraine.
Still many thanks to @Bob Hope's basemap, and this one : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe..._1477-en.svg/950px-Map_France_1477-en.svg.png
Berlin still is far behind its pre-war population.
(3.62 million vs. 4.21 million)
Talk about war damage duh...
I've got some questions for your map:
1. What is Xiaomlo?
2. Where is New Tunis?
3 Why is Istanbul called Yi’si’tan’bu?
4. It looks like there's an isolated Andalucian colony right under Lake Erie, surrounded by other Arab(?) colonies. How did that isolated colony get there? Are the colonies in New England and underneath the Andalucian colony Arab or Turkish or something else?
For that matter, it also lacks Antwerp, though I'm pretty certain that the Dutch of the 1600s were still grouped in with Germans? of course this could be a map using only our modern definition. That said I was surprised to see that Worms wasn't there, always struck me as an important historical city.
First post for a new thread, here we go. The name of this map is split, Charter for Empires is the de jure name whilst Romanov's, Revolutions, and Rock'n Roll is its de facto nation. Inspired by CSA: The Confederate States of America, Ad Astra Per Aspera's American Empire, and Monsieur Z's videos on What if WWI ended in Stalemate. This is a map of the political situation of 1980
So basically what happens is that there is more support for revolution in Quebec during the revolutionary war clearing the Catholic Fear in the US. Though Canada remains British the US is a lot less fearful of taking in Catholics. History remains relatively the same everywhere with the Opium Wars being a little bit more, "Christian." besides the America's, where in 1838 President Andrew Jackson sends in US marines into Central America and annexes the failing Republic down there. The US fights the Mexican-American War gaining hundreds of thousands of more square miles in territory, annexing the Yucatan, the Southwest, and the Sonora region of Mexico. In 1854 another event occurs against Spain where the US supports Cuban Rebels against the Spanish government, and annexes Cuba and Puerto Rico, with the two quickly becoming slave states. Everything goes down in 1860 with the election of Abe Lincoln and the addition of Sonora as a Free State. The South and its Slave holding states secede from the US. On a promise from the CSA, Mexico joins the war in a bid to retake Sonora and California. The civil war ends in 1865 upon the capture of Guadalajara and Richmond. The CSA and Mexico are annexed into the United States. During the Crimean War, British Canadian troops, mainly militias in the colony of New Scotland on the Canadian West Coast and captured Russian Alaska. In the mid 1870s the United States rewound its imperialist campaign. Financed by the Democratic Party, the US bought off many European colonies, namely the Bahamas and Guiana. Haiti was annexed in 1877 and Colombia fell to the US a year later. vast amounts of Irish, German, Slavic, and other peoples settled in US South American Territory. The American imperialist wars would be completed in 1898 with the capture of the Philippines and Guam from Spain in a second war, as a gateway to China (Hawaii had been annexed in 1887). In Europe following the Franco-Prussian War, to the advice of the greatest German general coming after Frederick the Great, Otto von Bismarck convinced the German Kaiser, Wilhelm II to maintain the alliance with Russia. Austria, offended seeked ties with its old ally France, joining the Entente for fear of the Russo-German Bear. In 1877 Russia annexed Romania and created a Bulgarian Puppet State. Bulgaria would expand in the 1912 Balkan War and gain much land to Serbia's expense. Serbia protested and was beat down by the Bulgarian Army. In Asia, the German, American, and British Empires all took off entire regions of China following the Boxer War.
The Second 7 Years War was fought between 1914-1921, and waged across, Europe, Africa, and Asia. The French had carried out with their Plan 17, invading Alsace-Lorraine. The Ottomans had joined in 1915 and had really saved Austria which was fighting a war on 3 fronts. Austria promised the Ottoman Empire all its former Balkan territory if they had joined, with the caucuses and destruction of Russian influence in the Black Sea. The Russian Army was drawn away from fighting Austria and began to focus on the Ottomans. A grueling fight was fought in the muddy trenches of the Rhine and Wallachia regions. The stalemate was sorta there on the Austro-German Front. The German army was making rapid progress, capturing Prague in 1916 and the divided fighting between All-Czech units on both sides. The Austrian Empire would face a series of disasters on the Road to Vienna. By 1918 Austria was knocked out of the war. But the brutal stalemate on the Caucasus and Wallach fronts caused enough internal unrest in Russia to force a peace treaty between Russia and the Ottoman Empire. Russian forces however would be shipped to the Rhine Front where after 4 more bloody years of fighting had broken through into Central France. The Cossacks and Hussars roamed across the countryside. Forcing a surrender by France.
The British Empire had profited from not joining the war. In 1925 South Africa successfully negotiated a deal with Britain, allowing for it to take possession of the British South African Colonies. Britain itself was experiencing rapid imperial growth. However the Crash of 1929 would see many to leave for the colonies. Linguisto-ethnic tensions in South Africa in the early 1930s would see anti-English and Anti-Afrikaner spike into riots. In 1934 Jacques Doriot Came to power in France and began rearming. The Dominion of India was formed in 1938 against the advice of Lord Churchill. In Asia Japan had invaded China, which brought the eyes of Britain, Russia, and the US.
In 1939 the French State attacked the German Empire in a devastating surprise attack, coordinated by Ottoman Strikes on Sevastopol and Sofia. Britain had attempted to stay neutral but a French strike on Scapa Flow followed by Paratrooper landings in Southern England in 1940 forced it to enter. Britain had been preparing but it didn't expect this. The Invasion was routed with armor the soon the British Empire was at war. Britain's colonies in West Africa where targeted, all fell besides the region of Igboland in Nigeria. Italy joined the war in a half hearted attack into Egypt. On September 11th, 1941 Japan attacked Pearl Harbor Hawaii, and Singapore, Malaya. The Japanese fought a desperate brutal, and radicalized war across the Asia-Pacific region. It ended with Russian entry in 1944 and two American Atomic Bombings on Hiroshima and Kyoto. In Europe and Africa the French got stalemated in the Brutal battle for Hamburg in 1942 and after the French armies surrender in February of 1943, it was doomed in Germany. Russo-Bulgarian troops backed up by Artillery and Air forces would take Constantinople and Bulgaria annexed the region. In early 1945 100 miles from Ankara and with British troops coming up from Palestine and Iraq, and Russian troops forming from across the Dardanelles and from Trebizond the Ottoman Empire surrendered. France held out till June of 1945 until the climactic battle of Paris and the linking of Anglo-German forces in the city of Vichy. Italy had switched sides in Fall of 1942 after it showed its army was unprepared to fight a modern war. Only loosing part of Libya to Britain, Italian troops began to pick up their pieces and effectively rejoined the war in 1944 gaining the remainder of Savoy and Tunisia. Eritrea and most of Italian Somaliland was given to Ethiopia. The resulting Treaty of London divided up the world into 4 blocs, and 2 main alliances showed by 1950.
US settlers began to move into its new territories (Japan is looking for estimated statehood by 1995) Britain retains its Empire through Dominionhood. East Africa is the Newest Dominion, founded in 1970. The others like West Africa (1965), Malaya (1968), Yemen (1967) and Palestine (1953) are new areas. In Africa lies the only communist state in the world. The Peoples Republic of Algeria, formed by French Communists escaping the prison camps of the Sahara have formed a Franco-Islamic state run on fear, and is treated like the North Korea of this world. Germany outright annexed its colonies, setting up new states being represented in the Reichstag after it had annexed the Netherlands and the East Indies. German Protestantism has spread across Africa and Indonesia. Russia Split Persia with Britain, and this is probably the area where the Great War III would break out. The Second Great Game is being played, at very dangerous stakes. America's only influence in Europe is in Iberia where it has a nice relationships with the Pinochetic military dictators in Spain and Portugal. Britain's empire is partially divided as well. Dominion on Dominion violence often occurs with East African and Egyptian citizens rioting in South Sudan and Uganda. Canada is routinely insistent on allowing Newfoundland to become a Province of their dominion. the continental Dynastic Bloc reigns over Europe, the Alliance between Germany and Russia are equally matched by the US and Britain. However the massive United States is starting to overshadow the British Empire in the Boston Pact. France is another GWIII flashpoint. The British backed republic and the German backed Kingdom have large military maneuvers, and the Togoland and Belgian Missile Crisis' make this world a lot more unstable, as 4 global superpowers prepare for war.
Didn't pre-war Germany have like half of East Germany in it? Then the Soviets were like 'no, make the city limits rational'?
I'd imagine that a lot of West Berliners probably left because of the "surrounded by East Germany" thing.
This is a map I created for a school project that allowed to us to do AH. The POD in 1812 is that Napoleon successfully prosecutes the Russian Campaign (Moscow doesn't burn), and then goes on to use Russian men and resources to defeat Britain and the Fifth Coalition
This results in a truly Napoleonic Europe, and in the Americas results in the collapse of the European colonies. The US seizes Canada and later Australia from a weak Britain unable to fight back. Bolivar and others throughout Latin America establish new countries under the defensive umbrella of the USA.
Problems arise regarding the future of British possessions in the East and Africa. The US and France effectively find themselves in a cold war during the 19th century, with proxy conflicts abounding (such as the Americans' establishment of Liberia and a French-backed coup in Persia).
While all this is going on, a depressed Britain undergoes a Chartist revolution in the 1830s that quickly turns radical, leading to mass instability, executions, famine and a loss of industrial capacity. Brain drain from the UK occurs, with many fleeing to the US as well as a few to France.
This world is split between the two industrial superpowers, the United States and France. By the end of the 19th century, tensions are near the breaking point.
This results in a truly Napoleonic Europe, and in the Americas results in the collapse of the European colonies. The US seizes Canada and later Australia from a weak Britain unable to fight back. Bolivar and others throughout Latin America establish new countries under the defensive umbrella of the USA.
Problems arise regarding the future of British possessions in the East and Africa. The US and France effectively find themselves in a cold war during the 19th century, with proxy conflicts abounding (such as the Americans' establishment of Liberia and a French-backed coup in Persia).
While all this is going on, a depressed Britain undergoes a Chartist revolution in the 1830s that quickly turns radical, leading to mass instability, executions, famine and a loss of industrial capacity. Brain drain from the UK occurs, with many fleeing to the US as well as a few to France.
This world is split between the two industrial superpowers, the United States and France. By the end of the 19th century, tensions are near the breaking point.
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Personally, i wouldn't call this scenario plausible, but AH scenarios tend to be very good thought experiments for schools. IMO, AH can be used to make history class much more interesting.
States of the United States (Washington) by Government Type, 1925
Monarchy: Six states are governed, effectively speaking, by one family. Some, like the Lees of Virginia and the Seviers of Franklin, have governed the state since time immemorial. Others, like the Russells of Georgia and the Muhlenbergs of Pennsylvania, have come to power comparatively recently - in the former case, by coming out ahead of previous competing families, while the latter took over from the previous ruling family.
Aristocracy: Six other states are governed, not by any one family, but by a "ruling class" of several families. Some of those states have only a few ruling families - for example, Delaware politics are defined by the conflict between "old money" in the form of the Rodneys and the "new money" Dover branch of the du Ponts. Others have dozens - Ohio, for example, is governed by the large landowners in its House of Gentry.
Democratic: Nine states - all the states touching the Mississippi except Kentucky, and none of the states of the Eastern Seaboard except Florida - have more-or-less democratic systems of government. All of these states would be considered flawed democracies, at best, by modern standards - the southern states are dominated by agricultural slavocrats, while the north is dominated by industrial strikebreakers. For example, in Mackinaw, workers who go on strike lose their voting rights, and Mobile is currently crushing a slave insurrection in the Alabama Valley. But both regions are improving - the biracial Fusion Party won control of the Tennessee Senate in 2016, and the Governor of Wabash recently signed an agreement with the Knights of Labor ensuring safety improvements at steel plants.
Plutocratic: Two states are run, not by powerful families or voters, but by companies. Sylvania and Everglades have minimal governments, with virtually every settlement of note a company town and everything from law enforcement to education subcontracted for by major companies - lumber in the former case and real estate in the latter. In both cases, democracies were slowly-but-surely bought out by big money.
You also forgot Ghent and Bruges, who already hit 50 000 inhabitants in the 1300s
Yes plausibility wasn't really what I had in mind; more it was that my teacher was really Anglophilic and I wanted to give him a scenario where that didn't happen.
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