Hm, forgot about the Ford and Rockefeller Vice Presidencies which do look a little awkward. But those situations are usually pretty rare. Also, I suppose it wouldn't well either in electoral college deadlocks where the VP and the President are of different tickets. Maybe we should just stick with the current format even though in some cases, this format is less cluttered.
List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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THE ONE WITH DUKAKIS
1989 - 1997: Michael Dukakis / Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1988: George Bush / Dan Quayle (Republican)
1992: William Roth / Leo T. McCarthy (Republican), Jonathan Schell / Scattered (Independent / "Stop the War")
1997 - 2005: Colin Powell / Marc Racicot (Republican)
1996: Richard Bryan / Vic Fazio (Democratic)
2000: John Kerry / Gray Davis (Democratic)
2004 - 2009: Rod Chandler / Jon L. Christensen (Republican)
2004: Philip Bredesen / Ann Wynia (Democratic)
2009 - 2010: Ruth A. Minner / Mark Udall (Democratic)
2008: Rod Chandler / Guy Millner (Republican), William Kristol / Ed Gillespie (Dignity)
2010 - 2010: Mark Udall / Vacant (Democratic)
2010 - ???: Mark Udall / Rubén Hinosoja (Democratic)
2012: Richard Perry / Jerry Kilgore (Republican), David Brooks / Bruce Bartlett (Dignity)
2016: Fred "Ric" Phillips / Jim Holt (Republican)
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1989-1995 George W. Bush [1] / Dan Quayle (R)
1995-1996 Dan Quayle [2] / vacant->Bob Kasten (R)
1996-1997 Bob Kasten [3] / vacant (R)
1997-2005 Al Gore [4] / Tom Harkin (D)
2005-2007 Eric Shinseki [5] / John Edwards (D)
2007-2010 John Edwards [6] / vacant->Elliot Spitzer (D)
2010-2011 Elliot Spitzer [7] / vacant->Bill Clinton (D)
2011-2013 Bill Clinton [8] / vacant->
Tom Vilsack (D)
2013-2017 Franklin Graham [9] / Stephanie Meyer (R)
2017-present Tupac Shakur [10] / Gabrielle Giffords (D)
[1] Defeats Paul Tsongas. No Republican Revolution in 1994, but Bush's popularity soars again after the Rwanda intervention. Assassinated by an Iraqi gunman.
[2] Loses the 1996 election to Al Gore. Killed in a plane crash after his concession speech.
[3] Briefly served as President following President Quayle's death. Presides over national mourning and a smooth transition, allowing Gore to pick his cabinet nominees earlier.
[4] Last President to serve two full terms. Lost the popular vote to Quayle despite winning the electoral college - thanks to a strong third party challenge from the left. With a postponed Japanese economic bubble burst and a worse Asian Financial Crisis, China was unable to back up DPRK. The Second Korean War takes place before DPRK collapses. Reelected in 2000 in a landslide, Gore was able to push through Gorecare - unpopular with left wing Democrats who saw it as too little, as well as Congress ratification of the Gwangju Protocal tackling climate change, and a cap-and-trade tackling pollution.
[5] Seen as a hero of the 2nd Korean War, Shinseki becomes the first ethnic minority to win the Presidency, narrowly defeating Governor Jeb Bush of Florida. However a series of corruption scandals and his apparent incompetence on the domestic front costed the Democrats control of the House in 2006 for the first time since 1952. Shinseki's approval rating bounced back a bit following his active mediation in international conflicts; but he was assassinated by a white supremacist .
[6] Initially extremely popular. Handily won the 2008 elections, he was accused of using federal campaign funds to sponsor his mistress. Also implicated in several corruption scandals, and a video of him and a White House intern having sex going viral on the internet, at the same time when the First Lady was diagnosed with terminal cancer, failure to tackle the economic downturn properly, Edwards' approval rating went down to 10%. Republicans made huge gain in the 2010 midterms as a result. Before Congress could impeach him, President Edwards resigned.
[7] Beginning his presidency as a populist rallying against Wall Street and the establishment, Spitzer and Congress went through a series of deadlock and federal government was shut down as a result. While the House ultimately agreed to rise the debt ceiling by a one-vote-margin with the reluctant support of moderate Republicans tin avoid default, Spitzer's reputation has become increasingly polarised. Removed from office by the 25th Amendment after a suspicious "heart attack" during his state visit to Germany, Fox News claims that Spitzer died while having improper relations with a prostitute. The Fox News headquarters was burned down by angry protestors, furious at such "fake news".
[8] A moderate and popular Senator willing to compromise with Republicans, Clinton was easily approved as Vice President by the Senate. Credited with economic recovery, his willingness to compromise and a no-nonsense approach, Clinton was having an approval rating of 60% when he was the only Democrat with a fighting chance to win 2012, but he dropped out after a non-fatal heart attack.
[9] Social conservatives, the establishment and the Tea Party fought for the Republican primaries, but split within the Tea Party and the establishment ensured the nomination of Govenor Franklin Graham of North Carolina, who picked Governor Stephanie Meyer of Utah as his running mate. Despite leading both Paul Wellstone and Michael Bloomberg initially, Graham would lose the popular vote to both of them while winning the electoral college.
1995-1996 Dan Quayle [2] / vacant->Bob Kasten (R)
1996-1997 Bob Kasten [3] / vacant (R)
1997-2005 Al Gore [4] / Tom Harkin (D)
2005-2007 Eric Shinseki [5] / John Edwards (D)
2007-2010 John Edwards [6] / vacant->Elliot Spitzer (D)
2010-2011 Elliot Spitzer [7] / vacant->Bill Clinton (D)
2011-2013 Bill Clinton [8] / vacant->
Tom Vilsack (D)
2013-2017 Franklin Graham [9] / Stephanie Meyer (R)
2017-present Tupac Shakur [10] / Gabrielle Giffords (D)
[1] Defeats Paul Tsongas. No Republican Revolution in 1994, but Bush's popularity soars again after the Rwanda intervention. Assassinated by an Iraqi gunman.
[2] Loses the 1996 election to Al Gore. Killed in a plane crash after his concession speech.
[3] Briefly served as President following President Quayle's death. Presides over national mourning and a smooth transition, allowing Gore to pick his cabinet nominees earlier.
[4] Last President to serve two full terms. Lost the popular vote to Quayle despite winning the electoral college - thanks to a strong third party challenge from the left. With a postponed Japanese economic bubble burst and a worse Asian Financial Crisis, China was unable to back up DPRK. The Second Korean War takes place before DPRK collapses. Reelected in 2000 in a landslide, Gore was able to push through Gorecare - unpopular with left wing Democrats who saw it as too little, as well as Congress ratification of the Gwangju Protocal tackling climate change, and a cap-and-trade tackling pollution.
[5] Seen as a hero of the 2nd Korean War, Shinseki becomes the first ethnic minority to win the Presidency, narrowly defeating Governor Jeb Bush of Florida. However a series of corruption scandals and his apparent incompetence on the domestic front costed the Democrats control of the House in 2006 for the first time since 1952. Shinseki's approval rating bounced back a bit following his active mediation in international conflicts; but he was assassinated by a white supremacist .
[6] Initially extremely popular. Handily won the 2008 elections, he was accused of using federal campaign funds to sponsor his mistress. Also implicated in several corruption scandals, and a video of him and a White House intern having sex going viral on the internet, at the same time when the First Lady was diagnosed with terminal cancer, failure to tackle the economic downturn properly, Edwards' approval rating went down to 10%. Republicans made huge gain in the 2010 midterms as a result. Before Congress could impeach him, President Edwards resigned.
[7] Beginning his presidency as a populist rallying against Wall Street and the establishment, Spitzer and Congress went through a series of deadlock and federal government was shut down as a result. While the House ultimately agreed to rise the debt ceiling by a one-vote-margin with the reluctant support of moderate Republicans tin avoid default, Spitzer's reputation has become increasingly polarised. Removed from office by the 25th Amendment after a suspicious "heart attack" during his state visit to Germany, Fox News claims that Spitzer died while having improper relations with a prostitute. The Fox News headquarters was burned down by angry protestors, furious at such "fake news".
[8] A moderate and popular Senator willing to compromise with Republicans, Clinton was easily approved as Vice President by the Senate. Credited with economic recovery, his willingness to compromise and a no-nonsense approach, Clinton was having an approval rating of 60% when he was the only Democrat with a fighting chance to win 2012, but he dropped out after a non-fatal heart attack.
[9] Social conservatives, the establishment and the Tea Party fought for the Republican primaries, but split within the Tea Party and the establishment ensured the nomination of Govenor Franklin Graham of North Carolina, who picked Governor Stephanie Meyer of Utah as his running mate. Despite leading both Paul Wellstone and Michael Bloomberg initially, Graham would lose the popular vote to both of them while winning the electoral college.
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Some hipster choices there. Any chance of footnotes so we can see what these obscure folks got up to in office?
David Brooks leading what I'm sure is a nauseatingly smug centrist ticket is a fun third party gimmick, although it should definitely be called the Character Party.
The only thing we have to fear is a bunch of malarkey.
This started as the combination of three ideas: what if Reagan got the nomination in 76, what if Reagan became a Republican FDR, and what if Joe Biden was elected as early as possible? After starting three different lists I combined them all into this one. Behold, Reagan elected in 76+Biden as second FDR, complete with World War III and a Second Cold War with China.
Obviously there is no 22nd Amendment here. All persons mentioned here are real people, even in the farthest future elections.
1976
Ronald Reagan (CA)/Richard Schweiker (PA) R
Joe Biden (DE)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) D
Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) D
Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Gary Hart (CO) D
Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Al Gore (TN) D
Pres. Al Gore (TN)/Dick Gephardt (MO) D
Colin Powell (NY)/John Kasich (OH) R
Pres. Colin Powell (NY)/John Kasich (OH) R
John F. Kennedy, Jr. (NY)/John Edwards (NC) D
Pres. John Edwards (NC)/Russ Feingold (WI) D
John Kasich (OH)/Chris Christie (NJ) R
Pres. John Kasich (OH)/Chris Christie (NJ) R
Walter Maddox (AL)/Ron Kind (WI) D
Val Kilmer (NM)/Connie Mack IV (FL) R
Pres. Val Kilmer/Connie Mack IV (FL) R
Connie Mack IV (FL)/Mike Gallagher (WI) R
List of Presidents
Colors
In 1996, ABC used "Green for Gore", "Blue for Bill (Scranton)", and "Purple for Pat (Buchanan)". However, they learned that green and blue were too similar and viewers were unable to tell them apart. In 2000, they changed to "Green for Gephardt" and "Pink for Powell". This was decided before Humphrey became nominee. After he did, they couldn't think of an alliterative color for him so they kept green. ABC's broadcast on election night was the most watched and the other networks ended up adopting the colors. The parties do not officially use the colors, as both of their logos are red, white, and blue.
Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1987-1993: Margaret Thatcher (Wartime government)
1993-1994: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1994-1998: Michael Portillo (Conservative)
1998-2008: John Smith (Labour)
2003-2013: Harriet Harman (Labour)
2013-present: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)
Other things
If anyone could tell me what state Mike Flynn should be from, it would be greatly appreciated. Also I wanted to do a Canadian list but don't know enough about Canadian politics so I didn't.
This started as the combination of three ideas: what if Reagan got the nomination in 76, what if Reagan became a Republican FDR, and what if Joe Biden was elected as early as possible? After starting three different lists I combined them all into this one. Behold, Reagan elected in 76+Biden as second FDR, complete with World War III and a Second Cold War with China.
Obviously there is no 22nd Amendment here. All persons mentioned here are real people, even in the farthest future elections.
1976
On the Republican side, Ronald Reagan narrowly defeated Gerald Ford at the convention, and selected Richard Schweiker as his running mate. Gerald Ford became the first incumbent president to lose the renomination process. The Democratic candidate, Jimmy Carter, selected Senator Frank Church as his running mate. On Election Day, Reagan narrowly defeated Carter and became the 39th President of the United States. Republicans were relieved and somewhat surprised they had won the election in the shadow of Watergate and the Nixon pardon. The Democratic Party was in chaos, unable to comprehend how they had lost.
1980
By the time 1980 rolled around, the Republicans were in a bad spot. Crises and scandals plagued the administration and a recession resulted in the president's approval rating reaching rock bottom. This time the Democrats were sure they could win! Out of a dozen candidates, three frontrunners emerged: Governor Hugh L. Carey of New York, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, and Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas. For months, Carey seemed sure to win, but Biden unexpectedly made a surge in the later primaries in the south and west. The nomination was won by Biden at the convention after he asked Bentsen to be his running mate in exchange for his support. However, Carey was still able to make the party platform more liberal. Biden and Bentsen won a landslide victory over the president.
1984
On the Democratic side, Biden and Bentsen were easily renominated. On the Republican side, there were three main candidates. Governor Tom Kean of New Jersey, Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island, and Jim Webb of Virginia. Kean won the nomination and selected Webb as his running mate. Despite many expecting a close race due to Kean's moderate position and support in New Jersey, Kean lost in a 48 state landslide.
1988
In 1987, World War III started in Europe between American-allied countries of NATO and Soviet-allied countries of the Warsaw Pact. With the war ongoing during the election, many Republicans declined to run for the presidential nomination. Some wanted Senator Jesse Helms. Some wanted former President Reagan. Who they got was businessman Lee Iacocca. Iacocca selected Senator H. John Heinz III as his running mate. Biden decided to run for a third term in the face of the war, unheard of since the days of FDR. Vice President Bentsen was outraged and challenged the president for the nomination, but he lost handily. He was replaced on the ticket by Senator Gary Hart of Colorado. Fervent support for the war and by extension the president saw a third consecutive victory for the Democratic Party.
1992
By 1992, the war was still raging. Although Iraq had been defeated, fighting continued in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and the Soviet Union was not completely vanquished yet. President Biden ran for a fourth term but had to replaced Vice President Hart because of rumors and allegations of an affair spreading about him, creating the potential for damage and loss. His replacement was Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, young, uncontroversial, and southern. The Republican candidate was Governor Bill Scranton III of Pennsylvania, who selected Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana as his running mate. Despite Scranton's personal popularity and a strong campaign, the president remained even more popular and support for the war won him a fourth term.
1996
In the four years since 1992, the war ended in victory on all fronts, despite nuclear incidents between India and Pakistan. However, the war had not been good for the president's health. In summer of 1993, after complaining of a large headache, it was discovered that he had an aneurysm. Although he was successfully operated on for it, he later developed another one that went undetected until he passed out in the Oval Office. After being treated for this, the president and his advisors concluded that his health too much of a risk and that he could continue to serve as president. He resigned and made way for Vice President Gore to succeed him. Gore came into office only months after the conclusion of the war. Although he was relatively inexperienced, Gore successfully led the nation through the post war period and was very popular by the time of the 1996 election. He had named House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt to be his vice president and invited Gephardt to join him on the ticket in 1996. The Republicans renominated Governor Scranton, who selected Governor Pete Wilson of California as his running mate. This was unacceptable to Pat Buchanan, who believed the ticket was too liberal and too globalist. Buchanan decided to run as the Reform Party candidate, railing against the main candidates as being too similar in position and decrying their internationalist policies and positions. The Buchanan campaign divided the Republican base and Gore was elected to a full term in office, winning a historic fifth term for the Democratic Party.
2000
By 2000, the president's popularity and support for the Democratic Party had faded, mostly due to the ongoing intervention in Pakistan and India. President Gore decided not to run for a second full term, making way for Vice President Gephardt. However, Gephardt's campaign was disrupted by the sudden surge in support for Senator Steve Beshear of Kentucky, who ran a populist economic centered campaign. Neither Gephardt and Beshear was able to secure the nomination. After many ballots and winner, people began to look for a compromise candidate, eventually settling on Skip Humphrey, Governor of Minnesota and son of the former Vice President. Humphrey selected as his running mate Zell Miller of Georgia, hoping to attract conservative voters who were against the Republican nominee, Colin Powell. Powell had served as National Security Advisor, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Secretary of Defense in the Biden and Gore administrations and was a key figure in the war. When he agreed to run for the Republican nomination, other candidates backed out and he won. He selected as his running mate young John Kasich of Ohio, who had been elected Senator two years ago. Powell and Kasich trounced Humphrey, ending the 20 year Democratic control of the White House.
2004
By 2004, President Powell was very popular and was easily renominated by the Republican Party. The Democratic race was between Governor Humphrey, who was now making a serious run for the nomination, Senator Steve Beshear, who hoped to recapture the support from his last campaign, and Governor Erskine Bowles of North Carolina, a former Biden/Gore policy expert who had been President Gore's preferred compromise candidate in 2000. Humphrey surprisingly won the nomination by safe margins and selected Beshear as his running mate in an effort to connect with his loyal base. However, Powell won an even larger victory of Humphrey, winning a 49 state landslide, losing only Humphrey's home state of Minnesota.
2008
In 2008, the Democrats were looking for a new face to be the nominee. The race was largely between the two frontrunners, Governor John F. Kennedy, Jr. of New York and Senator John Edwards of North Carolina. Despite what experts thought would be a close race, Kennedy took the lead early and never lost it. Kennedy eventually asked Edwards to be his running mate. Meanwhile on the Republican side, Vice President Kasich won the nomination without contest and selected New York Senator Roger Goodell as his running mate. However, Goodell did have the intended effect on northeastern voters and proved to be rather lackluster. The two candidates were in a dead heat all the way to election day. Kennedy prevailed by only one state, his running mate's home state of North Carolina.
2012
In 2011, President Kennedy was assassinated on a visit to Balochistan, inspecting the first democratic elections that were supposed to be held in the nation since the end of the last war. As Edwards took office, the American people were in a frenzy, calling for blood. Edwards gave it to them, sending troops into Balochistan under the pretense of removing the disputed winner of the aforementioned election and restoring the rightfully elected government. The war began to expand into neighboring countries, essentially becoming a repeat of the Gore war. With Edwards ascending the presidency, no one in the White House dared to mention that they had once considered dropping him from the ticket in 2012 because of rumors about an affair. Edwards won the Democratic nomination handily and selected Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin as his running mate after being rejected by Senator Caroline Kennedy of New York. The Republican candidate was Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, described by some as the only man who wanted to run. Santorum and his running mate, the relatively unknown Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, were defeated by Edwards in a landslide.
2016
By 2016, the war continued without end in sight. President Edwards decided not to run for a second full term, in circumstances almost identical to President Gore sixteen years ago. Vice President Feingold narrowly won the nomination after a bitter and divisive primary campaign against insurgent Senator Bernie Sanders. On the Republican side, former Vice President Kasich defeated Governors Mitch Daniels, Mitt Romney, and Val Kilmer to win the nomination. He selected as his running mate the very popular Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey. What looked to be an easy victory for Kasich was disrupted by the third party campaign of Tom Tancredo of Colorado, who decided to run in the spirit of Pat Buchanan, campaigning against the two main candidates for their perceived similarity. Although Tancredo won 17% of the vote, he did not win a single state, thus narrowly allowing Kasich to win the election.
2020
Kasich retained high approval ratings going into 2020. He and Christie were easily renominated, despite talk of replacing Christie with someone else. Meanwhile, the Democratic field had a record 21 candidates. 2016 candidates Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders both declined the run, leading to Feingold's running mate Joe Sestak being the frontrunner. However, his campaign was damaged by a hack that revealed that Sestak privately blamed Feingold for their 2016 loss. This led to a massive decline in support for his campaign. The removal of the three heavyweight candidates led to dark horse Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio winning the nomination. Brown selected New Jersey Senator Cory Booker as his running mate, but a hack of DNC servers ahead of the convention revealed potential illicit funding on Booker's part. Brown dropped him from the ticket and eventually selected retired New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who had succeed John Kennedy, as his running mate. Brown and Cuomo, plagued by controversy throughout the campaign, lost by large margins to President Kasich.
2024
Not longer after the 2020 election, investigations into the activities of Chris Christie while he was governor finally caught up with him. Facing potential corruption and bribery charges, Christie was forced to resign before he could create more problems for the administration. However, Christie soon proved to be the least of their problems. Although it had long been determined that the repeated hacks into DNC servers and campaigns of Democratic candidates in 2020 had been conducted by Chinese operatives, it later transpired that the hacking had been directed from within the Kasich administration. Although White House staffers went down for it, the conspiracy went even deeper. A Congressional investigation revealed that President Kasich himself had been involved. Facing potential impeachment charges, Kasich resigned and was succeeded by Paul Ryan, the former House Majority Leader who replaced Christie as Vice President. Ryan selected former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts as his Vice President. Despite originally pledging not to seek a full term as president, Ryan did run in the 2024 Republican primaries, facing former New Mexico Governor Val Kilmer. Ryan narrowly defeated Kilmer, and selected Senator T.W. Shannon as his running mate. The Democratic primaries were even more crowded than they had been four years ago. Senator Joe Kennedy of Massachusetts declined to run, leaving the field wide open. Ultimately, Governor Walter Maddox of Alabama, the ultimate dark horse, won the nomination. After an intense vetting process, he selected Senator Ron Kind of Wisconsin as his running mate. Maddox had strong support with the Democratic base and put southern states like Texas and Arizona in play, eventually leading to a giant landslide victory over President Ryan.
2028
However, Maddox proved unable to utilize his large mandate to fulfill his campaign promises. Sweeping domestic reform was not achieved nor was detente with China. The Middle East fell into chaos, beginning with revolution in Saudi Arabia and subsequent civil war. This disruption of the global oil trade spiraled into a depression in Europe which became a strong recession in North America. By 2028, Maddox was deeply unpopular and faced a primary challenge from Joe Kennedy. Despite a vicious and narrow campaign, Maddox eked out a victory. On the Republican side, Governor Val Kilmer finally won the nomination on his third run. He selected as his running mate Connie Mack IV of Florida, former Congressman and Senate candidate and scion of the McGillicuddy clan. There was also a third party candidacy from Congressman Justin Amash who ran with former Governor and Ambassador Jon Huntsman. Kilmer won a landslide victory over Maddox and Amash both.
2032
Kilmer and Mack were easily renominated on the Republican side in 2032, while former Vice President Ron Kind won the Democratic nomination over Colorado Senator Mike Johnston. Kind selected as his running mate Texas Congresswoman Ximena Gonzalez, a favorite of the Castro machine. Despite hoping the Hispanic vote would help Kind win, Kilmer won a second landslide victory.
2036
In 1988, Kilmer was still popular. However, he declined to run for a third term in office and thus, Vice President Mack became the Republican nominee. He selected Wisconsin Senator Mike Gallagher as his running mate. The Democratic nominee was Massachusetts Governor Alex Morse, who cleared a crowded primary field and selected Texas Senator Joaquin Castro as his running mate. Ultimately, Mack won.
2040 and beyond
President Mack looks to re-election while Democrats search for a candidate. Perhaps the governor who recently became head of the DLC. Meanwhile, both of the president's sons are being mentioned for office, but only one of them can be Governor of Florida. Where will the other go? Perhaps Texas.
On the Republican side, Ronald Reagan narrowly defeated Gerald Ford at the convention, and selected Richard Schweiker as his running mate. Gerald Ford became the first incumbent president to lose the renomination process. The Democratic candidate, Jimmy Carter, selected Senator Frank Church as his running mate. On Election Day, Reagan narrowly defeated Carter and became the 39th President of the United States. Republicans were relieved and somewhat surprised they had won the election in the shadow of Watergate and the Nixon pardon. The Democratic Party was in chaos, unable to comprehend how they had lost.
1980
By the time 1980 rolled around, the Republicans were in a bad spot. Crises and scandals plagued the administration and a recession resulted in the president's approval rating reaching rock bottom. This time the Democrats were sure they could win! Out of a dozen candidates, three frontrunners emerged: Governor Hugh L. Carey of New York, Senator Joe Biden of Delaware, and Senator Lloyd Bentsen of Texas. For months, Carey seemed sure to win, but Biden unexpectedly made a surge in the later primaries in the south and west. The nomination was won by Biden at the convention after he asked Bentsen to be his running mate in exchange for his support. However, Carey was still able to make the party platform more liberal. Biden and Bentsen won a landslide victory over the president.
1984
On the Democratic side, Biden and Bentsen were easily renominated. On the Republican side, there were three main candidates. Governor Tom Kean of New Jersey, Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island, and Jim Webb of Virginia. Kean won the nomination and selected Webb as his running mate. Despite many expecting a close race due to Kean's moderate position and support in New Jersey, Kean lost in a 48 state landslide.
1988
In 1987, World War III started in Europe between American-allied countries of NATO and Soviet-allied countries of the Warsaw Pact. With the war ongoing during the election, many Republicans declined to run for the presidential nomination. Some wanted Senator Jesse Helms. Some wanted former President Reagan. Who they got was businessman Lee Iacocca. Iacocca selected Senator H. John Heinz III as his running mate. Biden decided to run for a third term in the face of the war, unheard of since the days of FDR. Vice President Bentsen was outraged and challenged the president for the nomination, but he lost handily. He was replaced on the ticket by Senator Gary Hart of Colorado. Fervent support for the war and by extension the president saw a third consecutive victory for the Democratic Party.
1992
By 1992, the war was still raging. Although Iraq had been defeated, fighting continued in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and the Soviet Union was not completely vanquished yet. President Biden ran for a fourth term but had to replaced Vice President Hart because of rumors and allegations of an affair spreading about him, creating the potential for damage and loss. His replacement was Senator Al Gore of Tennessee, young, uncontroversial, and southern. The Republican candidate was Governor Bill Scranton III of Pennsylvania, who selected Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana as his running mate. Despite Scranton's personal popularity and a strong campaign, the president remained even more popular and support for the war won him a fourth term.
1996
In the four years since 1992, the war ended in victory on all fronts, despite nuclear incidents between India and Pakistan. However, the war had not been good for the president's health. In summer of 1993, after complaining of a large headache, it was discovered that he had an aneurysm. Although he was successfully operated on for it, he later developed another one that went undetected until he passed out in the Oval Office. After being treated for this, the president and his advisors concluded that his health too much of a risk and that he could continue to serve as president. He resigned and made way for Vice President Gore to succeed him. Gore came into office only months after the conclusion of the war. Although he was relatively inexperienced, Gore successfully led the nation through the post war period and was very popular by the time of the 1996 election. He had named House Majority Leader Dick Gephardt to be his vice president and invited Gephardt to join him on the ticket in 1996. The Republicans renominated Governor Scranton, who selected Governor Pete Wilson of California as his running mate. This was unacceptable to Pat Buchanan, who believed the ticket was too liberal and too globalist. Buchanan decided to run as the Reform Party candidate, railing against the main candidates as being too similar in position and decrying their internationalist policies and positions. The Buchanan campaign divided the Republican base and Gore was elected to a full term in office, winning a historic fifth term for the Democratic Party.
2000
By 2000, the president's popularity and support for the Democratic Party had faded, mostly due to the ongoing intervention in Pakistan and India. President Gore decided not to run for a second full term, making way for Vice President Gephardt. However, Gephardt's campaign was disrupted by the sudden surge in support for Senator Steve Beshear of Kentucky, who ran a populist economic centered campaign. Neither Gephardt and Beshear was able to secure the nomination. After many ballots and winner, people began to look for a compromise candidate, eventually settling on Skip Humphrey, Governor of Minnesota and son of the former Vice President. Humphrey selected as his running mate Zell Miller of Georgia, hoping to attract conservative voters who were against the Republican nominee, Colin Powell. Powell had served as National Security Advisor, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Secretary of Defense in the Biden and Gore administrations and was a key figure in the war. When he agreed to run for the Republican nomination, other candidates backed out and he won. He selected as his running mate young John Kasich of Ohio, who had been elected Senator two years ago. Powell and Kasich trounced Humphrey, ending the 20 year Democratic control of the White House.
2004
By 2004, President Powell was very popular and was easily renominated by the Republican Party. The Democratic race was between Governor Humphrey, who was now making a serious run for the nomination, Senator Steve Beshear, who hoped to recapture the support from his last campaign, and Governor Erskine Bowles of North Carolina, a former Biden/Gore policy expert who had been President Gore's preferred compromise candidate in 2000. Humphrey surprisingly won the nomination by safe margins and selected Beshear as his running mate in an effort to connect with his loyal base. However, Powell won an even larger victory of Humphrey, winning a 49 state landslide, losing only Humphrey's home state of Minnesota.
2008
In 2008, the Democrats were looking for a new face to be the nominee. The race was largely between the two frontrunners, Governor John F. Kennedy, Jr. of New York and Senator John Edwards of North Carolina. Despite what experts thought would be a close race, Kennedy took the lead early and never lost it. Kennedy eventually asked Edwards to be his running mate. Meanwhile on the Republican side, Vice President Kasich won the nomination without contest and selected New York Senator Roger Goodell as his running mate. However, Goodell did have the intended effect on northeastern voters and proved to be rather lackluster. The two candidates were in a dead heat all the way to election day. Kennedy prevailed by only one state, his running mate's home state of North Carolina.
2012
In 2011, President Kennedy was assassinated on a visit to Balochistan, inspecting the first democratic elections that were supposed to be held in the nation since the end of the last war. As Edwards took office, the American people were in a frenzy, calling for blood. Edwards gave it to them, sending troops into Balochistan under the pretense of removing the disputed winner of the aforementioned election and restoring the rightfully elected government. The war began to expand into neighboring countries, essentially becoming a repeat of the Gore war. With Edwards ascending the presidency, no one in the White House dared to mention that they had once considered dropping him from the ticket in 2012 because of rumors about an affair. Edwards won the Democratic nomination handily and selected Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin as his running mate after being rejected by Senator Caroline Kennedy of New York. The Republican candidate was Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, described by some as the only man who wanted to run. Santorum and his running mate, the relatively unknown Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, were defeated by Edwards in a landslide.
2016
By 2016, the war continued without end in sight. President Edwards decided not to run for a second full term, in circumstances almost identical to President Gore sixteen years ago. Vice President Feingold narrowly won the nomination after a bitter and divisive primary campaign against insurgent Senator Bernie Sanders. On the Republican side, former Vice President Kasich defeated Governors Mitch Daniels, Mitt Romney, and Val Kilmer to win the nomination. He selected as his running mate the very popular Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey. What looked to be an easy victory for Kasich was disrupted by the third party campaign of Tom Tancredo of Colorado, who decided to run in the spirit of Pat Buchanan, campaigning against the two main candidates for their perceived similarity. Although Tancredo won 17% of the vote, he did not win a single state, thus narrowly allowing Kasich to win the election.
2020
Kasich retained high approval ratings going into 2020. He and Christie were easily renominated, despite talk of replacing Christie with someone else. Meanwhile, the Democratic field had a record 21 candidates. 2016 candidates Russ Feingold and Bernie Sanders both declined the run, leading to Feingold's running mate Joe Sestak being the frontrunner. However, his campaign was damaged by a hack that revealed that Sestak privately blamed Feingold for their 2016 loss. This led to a massive decline in support for his campaign. The removal of the three heavyweight candidates led to dark horse Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio winning the nomination. Brown selected New Jersey Senator Cory Booker as his running mate, but a hack of DNC servers ahead of the convention revealed potential illicit funding on Booker's part. Brown dropped him from the ticket and eventually selected retired New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who had succeed John Kennedy, as his running mate. Brown and Cuomo, plagued by controversy throughout the campaign, lost by large margins to President Kasich.
2024
Not longer after the 2020 election, investigations into the activities of Chris Christie while he was governor finally caught up with him. Facing potential corruption and bribery charges, Christie was forced to resign before he could create more problems for the administration. However, Christie soon proved to be the least of their problems. Although it had long been determined that the repeated hacks into DNC servers and campaigns of Democratic candidates in 2020 had been conducted by Chinese operatives, it later transpired that the hacking had been directed from within the Kasich administration. Although White House staffers went down for it, the conspiracy went even deeper. A Congressional investigation revealed that President Kasich himself had been involved. Facing potential impeachment charges, Kasich resigned and was succeeded by Paul Ryan, the former House Majority Leader who replaced Christie as Vice President. Ryan selected former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts as his Vice President. Despite originally pledging not to seek a full term as president, Ryan did run in the 2024 Republican primaries, facing former New Mexico Governor Val Kilmer. Ryan narrowly defeated Kilmer, and selected Senator T.W. Shannon as his running mate. The Democratic primaries were even more crowded than they had been four years ago. Senator Joe Kennedy of Massachusetts declined to run, leaving the field wide open. Ultimately, Governor Walter Maddox of Alabama, the ultimate dark horse, won the nomination. After an intense vetting process, he selected Senator Ron Kind of Wisconsin as his running mate. Maddox had strong support with the Democratic base and put southern states like Texas and Arizona in play, eventually leading to a giant landslide victory over President Ryan.
2028
However, Maddox proved unable to utilize his large mandate to fulfill his campaign promises. Sweeping domestic reform was not achieved nor was detente with China. The Middle East fell into chaos, beginning with revolution in Saudi Arabia and subsequent civil war. This disruption of the global oil trade spiraled into a depression in Europe which became a strong recession in North America. By 2028, Maddox was deeply unpopular and faced a primary challenge from Joe Kennedy. Despite a vicious and narrow campaign, Maddox eked out a victory. On the Republican side, Governor Val Kilmer finally won the nomination on his third run. He selected as his running mate Connie Mack IV of Florida, former Congressman and Senate candidate and scion of the McGillicuddy clan. There was also a third party candidacy from Congressman Justin Amash who ran with former Governor and Ambassador Jon Huntsman. Kilmer won a landslide victory over Maddox and Amash both.
2032
Kilmer and Mack were easily renominated on the Republican side in 2032, while former Vice President Ron Kind won the Democratic nomination over Colorado Senator Mike Johnston. Kind selected as his running mate Texas Congresswoman Ximena Gonzalez, a favorite of the Castro machine. Despite hoping the Hispanic vote would help Kind win, Kilmer won a second landslide victory.
2036
In 1988, Kilmer was still popular. However, he declined to run for a third term in office and thus, Vice President Mack became the Republican nominee. He selected Wisconsin Senator Mike Gallagher as his running mate. The Democratic nominee was Massachusetts Governor Alex Morse, who cleared a crowded primary field and selected Texas Senator Joaquin Castro as his running mate. Ultimately, Mack won.
2040 and beyond
President Mack looks to re-election while Democrats search for a candidate. Perhaps the governor who recently became head of the DLC. Meanwhile, both of the president's sons are being mentioned for office, but only one of them can be Governor of Florida. Where will the other go? Perhaps Texas.
1976
Ronald Reagan (CA)/Richard Schweiker (PA) R
def. Jimmy Carter (GA)/Frank Church (ID) D
1980Joe Biden (DE)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) D
def. Pres. Ronald Reagan (CA)/Richard Schweiker (PA) R
1984Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Lloyd Bentsen (TX) D
def. Tom Kean (NJ)/Jim Webb (VA) R
1988Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Gary Hart (CO) D
def. Lee Iacocca (CA)/H. John Heinz III (PA) R
1992Pres. Joe Biden (DE)/Al Gore (TN) D
def. Bill Scranton III (PA)/Richard Lugar (IN) R
1996Pres. Al Gore (TN)/Dick Gephardt (MO) D
def. Bill Scranton III (PA)/Pete Wilson (CA) R, Pat Buchanan (VA)/Ron Paul (TX) Reform
2000Colin Powell (NY)/John Kasich (OH) R
def. Skip Humphrey (MN)/Zell Miller (GA) D
2004Pres. Colin Powell (NY)/John Kasich (OH) R
def. Skip Humphrey (MN)/Steve Beshear (KY) D
2008John F. Kennedy, Jr. (NY)/John Edwards (NC) D
def. John Kasich (OH)/Roger Goodell (NY) R
2012Pres. John Edwards (NC)/Russ Feingold (WI) D
def. Rick Santorum (PA)/Paul Ryan (WI) R
2016John Kasich (OH)/Chris Christie (NJ) R
def. Russ Feingold (WI)/Joe Sestak (PA) D, Tom Tancredo (CO)/Michael Flynn (??) Constitution
2020Pres. John Kasich (OH)/Chris Christie (NJ) R
def. Sherrod Brown (OH)/Andrew Cuomo (NY) D
2024Walter Maddox (AL)/Ron Kind (WI) D
def. Pres. Paul Ryan (WI)/T.W. Shannon (OK) R
2028Val Kilmer (NM)/Connie Mack IV (FL) R
def. Pres. Walter Maddox (AL)/Ron Kind (WI) D, Justin Amash (MI)/Jon Huntsman (UT) I
2032Pres. Val Kilmer/Connie Mack IV (FL) R
def. Ron Kind (WI)/Ximena Gonzalez (TX) D
2036Connie Mack IV (FL)/Mike Gallagher (WI) R
def. Alex Morse (MA)/Joaquin Castro (TX) D
List of Presidents
39. Ronald Reagan (January 20, 1977-January 20, 1981)
40. Joe Biden (January 20, 1981-August 14, 1993) R
41. Al Gore (August 13, 1993-January 20, 2001)
42. Colin Powell (January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009)
43. John F. Kennedy, Jr. (January 20, 2009-December 18, 2011) A
44. John Edwards (December 18, 2011-January 20, 2017)
45. John Kasich (January 20, 2017-July 24, 2022) R
46. Paul Ryan (July 24, 2022-January 20, 2025)
47. Walter Maddox (January 20, 2025-January 20, 2029)
48. Val Kilmer (January 20, 2029-January 20, 2033)
49. Cornelius H. "Connie Mack" McGillicuddy IV (January 20, 2033-present)
List of Vice Presidents40. Joe Biden (January 20, 1981-August 14, 1993) R
41. Al Gore (August 13, 1993-January 20, 2001)
42. Colin Powell (January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009)
43. John F. Kennedy, Jr. (January 20, 2009-December 18, 2011) A
44. John Edwards (December 18, 2011-January 20, 2017)
45. John Kasich (January 20, 2017-July 24, 2022) R
46. Paul Ryan (July 24, 2022-January 20, 2025)
47. Walter Maddox (January 20, 2025-January 20, 2029)
48. Val Kilmer (January 20, 2029-January 20, 2033)
49. Cornelius H. "Connie Mack" McGillicuddy IV (January 20, 2033-present)
42. Richard Schweiker (January 20, 1977-January 20, 1981)
43. Lloyd Bentsen (January 20, 1981-January 20, 1989)
44. Gary Hart (January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993)
45. Al Gore (January 20, 1933-August 14, 1993)
46. Dick Gephardt (November 19, 1993-January 20, 2001)
47. John Kasich (January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009)
48. John Edwards (January 20, 2009-December 18, 2011)
49. Russ Feingold (February 5, 2012-January 20, 2017)
50. Chris Christie (January 20, 2017-May 7, 2021) R
51. Paul Ryan (August 18, 2021-July 24, 2022)
52. Mitt Romney (September 10, 2022-January 20, 2025)
53. Ron Kind (January 20, 2025-January 20, 2029)
54. Cornelius H. "Connie Mack" McGillicuddy IV (January 20, 2029-January 20, 2033)
55. Mike Gallagher (January 20, 2033-present)
43. Lloyd Bentsen (January 20, 1981-January 20, 1989)
44. Gary Hart (January 20, 1989-January 20, 1993)
45. Al Gore (January 20, 1933-August 14, 1993)
46. Dick Gephardt (November 19, 1993-January 20, 2001)
47. John Kasich (January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009)
48. John Edwards (January 20, 2009-December 18, 2011)
49. Russ Feingold (February 5, 2012-January 20, 2017)
50. Chris Christie (January 20, 2017-May 7, 2021) R
51. Paul Ryan (August 18, 2021-July 24, 2022)
52. Mitt Romney (September 10, 2022-January 20, 2025)
53. Ron Kind (January 20, 2025-January 20, 2029)
54. Cornelius H. "Connie Mack" McGillicuddy IV (January 20, 2029-January 20, 2033)
55. Mike Gallagher (January 20, 2033-present)
R: Resigned
A: Assassinated
A: Assassinated
Colors
In 1996, ABC used "Green for Gore", "Blue for Bill (Scranton)", and "Purple for Pat (Buchanan)". However, they learned that green and blue were too similar and viewers were unable to tell them apart. In 2000, they changed to "Green for Gephardt" and "Pink for Powell". This was decided before Humphrey became nominee. After he did, they couldn't think of an alliterative color for him so they kept green. ABC's broadcast on election night was the most watched and the other networks ended up adopting the colors. The parties do not officially use the colors, as both of their logos are red, white, and blue.
Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom
1987-1993: Margaret Thatcher (Wartime government)
1993-1994: Margaret Thatcher (Conservative)
1994-1998: Michael Portillo (Conservative)
1998-2008: John Smith (Labour)
2003-2013: Harriet Harman (Labour)
2013-present: Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)
Other things
If anyone could tell me what state Mike Flynn should be from, it would be greatly appreciated. Also I wanted to do a Canadian list but don't know enough about Canadian politics so I didn't.
I think that'd be North Carolina or Virginia (or maybe DC?).
I'm pretty sure red and blue had been the colours since before your PoD, it was just that there was no established rule for who got which.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
CBS set the trend of Republicans being Blue and Democrats red in 1972, which they used again in 1976 and 1980. ABC used blue for the Democrats and gold for the Republicans due to the political connotations of red. In 1980 both CBS and NBC used the same colour set, however this all changed in 1984 when CBS changed from their established set up to the one we know, because 'Red is for Reagan'. Then from 1988 it was blue for Democrats and red for Republicans, with regional variations.
Historical maps also show the Democrats as red and the Republicans as blue, such as this map from 1880. So yeah, as you say it's been set like that for a while, with the odd exception (Democrats were coded 'silver' in 1896 and 1900, IIRC).
EDIT: As well as this, as I've just found, red was the recurring colour of most Presidential maps, and was used to code the Democrats in 1876 with Green Republicans and Orange for tossups (?), a historical map showing red for Republicans and gold for Democrats from 1877, and a map of 1860 showing the blue Republicans and red Democrats in 1934.
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That's correct. The fixed use of the colours as we know now, however, is a very, very recent Noo Millennium thing. I still think in the same way that David Leip's site thinks - which itself has a pre-millennium origin, as I hope anyone who has used the site can discern.
shiftygiant
Gone Fishin'
They were (obviosuly the map is b/w so you know, but the context surrounding the election and the map itself makes it clear what the colour should be).
It doesn't look amazing
but I think it's a decent alternate colour scheme.
Man, 1976 was a weird election.
It doesn't look amazing
but I think it's a decent alternate colour scheme.
If you took out the Ford and Carter color key up there, I could buy this as a weird 1992 map.
honestly, I half-jokingly think Republicans should be UKIP Purple and Democrats Lib Dem Yellow
for one: it's more accurate from here overseas' viewpoint
also it's just plain more interesting than the standard blue and red fare which america has the wrong way round anyways
2000-2008: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican-TX/WY)
2000 def. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic-TN/CT), Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green-CT/MN)
2004 def. John Kerry / John Edwards (Democratic-MA-NC)
2008-2016: Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic-IL/DE)
2008 def. John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican-AZ/AK)
2012 def. Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican-MA/WI), Gary Johnson / James P. Gray (Libertarian-NM/CA)
2016-present: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican-NY/IN)
2016 def. Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic-NY/VA), Gary Johnson / Bill Weld (Libertarian-NM/MA), Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka (Green-MA/IL)
for one: it's more accurate from here overseas' viewpoint
also it's just plain more interesting than the standard blue and red fare which america has the wrong way round anyways
2000-2008: George W. Bush / Dick Cheney (Republican-TX/WY)
2000 def. Al Gore / Joe Lieberman (Democratic-TN/CT), Ralph Nader / Winona LaDuke (Green-CT/MN)
2004 def. John Kerry / John Edwards (Democratic-MA-NC)
2008-2016: Barack Obama / Joe Biden (Democratic-IL/DE)
2008 def. John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican-AZ/AK)
2012 def. Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican-MA/WI), Gary Johnson / James P. Gray (Libertarian-NM/CA)
2016-present: Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican-NY/IN)
2016 def. Hillary Clinton / Tim Kaine (Democratic-NY/VA), Gary Johnson / Bill Weld (Libertarian-NM/MA), Jill Stein / Ajamu Baraka (Green-MA/IL)
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