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Given my background, if I was born in a familiar form in universe (my parents met because of a newspaper ad), I might be in India or the FBU. If the Indian community is relatively large in the UASR, I might go there.
It would be 50/50 for me. My Grandfather was an Irishman living in Britain and a Labour Supporter, but he only left Britain because of opportunities in America, something that doesnt happen here, so my dad would probably be Scottish instead of American. Then again, he actively disliked the right wing (someething he took from Vietnam) during the 80s, so he might get deported by the FBU Lions. My mom was a lot more left wing than her family too, so that might happen as well.

So it honestly depends on how well my mom and dad behave in the 80s. I moght be British or American.
 

Bulldoggus

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However, the 4th remains concentrated in the areas of the First American Revolution, the old Thirteen Colonies, such as Pennsylvania and Maryland. Further west, the connection to the 1776 rebellion declines, as does the holiday. As the saying goes, "the further west you go, the less white and blue".
I could see the 4th being a mostly New England-based holiday, somewhat like Patriot's day IOTL. I would say, @Bookmark1995, that it would likely be centered in Boston and Philly, because of the deep ties to the Revolution.
Given my background, if I was born in a familiar form in universe (my parents met because of a newspaper ad), I might be in India or the FBU. If the Indian community is relatively large in the UASR, I might go there.
My family (circa 1932) largely consisted of apolitical, catholic small business owners, so they'd have bolted back to Ireland (or Italy, in the case of one specific branch). One great-grandfather may have hung around, he was a civil engineer (although he was also a loyal Republican, so who knows). My bet is if Ireland isn't outright a part of the FBU, it would be a Canada-esqe glorified vassal thereof.
 
I could see the 4th being a mostly New England-based holiday, somewhat like Patriot's day IOTL. I would say, @Bookmark1995, that it would likely be centered in Boston and Philly, because of the deep ties to the Revolution.

Any place that has a connection to the Old American Revolution would be centered their. I picked Maryland because, you know, Annapolis was where the Constitution was written. I think ITTL, most Socialists Americans would learn of that period as an important step in America's history.

My family (circa 1932) largely consisted of apolitical, catholic small business owners, so they'd have bolted back to Ireland (or Italy, in the case of one specific branch). One great-grandfather may have hung around, he was a civil engineer (although he was also a loyal Republican, so who knows). My bet is if Ireland isn't outright a part of the FBU, it would be a Canada-esqe glorified vassal thereof.

My ancestors were Middle-Class New York Jews in 1932, who as my parents told me, were only slightly better off than the average Depression person. I think they would have definitely jumped onto the revolutionary bandwagon.

ITTL, if my parents still met, maybe I would have grown up in New York City rather than New England.
 
Given my background, if I was born in a familiar form in universe (my parents met because of a newspaper ad), I might be in India or the FBU. If the Indian community is relatively large in the UASR, I might go there.

Without the Partition of India, I simply would not exist, but presumably I'd be an Indian living in the city of Jammu, in Jammu and Kashmir, if butterflies are ignored.
 
I dunno. The more I think about it, id probably be British. My dad is an unabashed leftist, but he also has a large patriotic streak in him, so he might only go to America if he was forced to. My mom, while leftist, is moreso center left than actual left, so she might simply be part of the People's Alliance progressive wing lead by Blair.

So while I'd much rather live in America, I'd probably end up being British, particularly Scottish. I'd still be a Marxist De Leonist, though.
 

Bulldoggus

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So guys, a friend just said "Libertarianism is training wheels for an actual political ideology", no doubt in reference to the libertarian phases we both went through as edgy teens. That got me thinking, though that would remain the training wheels in the capitalist world, what would the commie equivalent be? It would have to sound vaguely logical, but be based on economic gobbledegook. Then I realized...
Social Credit. I mean it's perfect, right? There'd have to be some sort of Socred Party.
 
So guys, a friend just said "Libertarianism is training wheels for an actual political ideology", no doubt in reference to the libertarian phases we both went through as edgy teens. That got me thinking, though that would remain the training wheels in the capitalist world, what would the commie equivalent be? It would have to sound vaguely logical, but be based on economic gobbledegook. Then I realized...
Social Credit. I mean it's perfect, right? There'd have to be some sort of Socred Party.

Isn't Socred a right-wing ideology?
 

Bulldoggus

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Isn't Socred a right-wing ideology?
It's economics are too incoherent to be "left" or "right". In Canada and New Zealand, it tended to be very rural and socially conservative, and tended to be more fiscally conservative in actual government, but the ideology itself can be spun either way. Indeed, many early socialists liked Socred policy.
 
2015 - The impression of American fans from the performance of the group Xandria.
In 2014-2015, the well-known West German Symphony-Metal band Xandria arranged another tour to support the new album - Sacrificium, recorded with the new vocalist Diana van Giersbergen (Netherlands). In addition to the usual countries of Europe, the tour included America, India and South-East Asia. Here are some of the reviews of their last visit to America.

Chris, 25 - It was cool! The guys are burning! New Vocalist - Fire!

Jared 49 (Note - yes, there are a lot of "old people" among metalworkers) - I am very glad that I got to their performance, though I really miss the redhead (Lisa Middelhauf, the first vocalist).

Stacy 23 - Very vigorous performances. Our groups need to be so precious before.

Max (Maxine - that is a girl) 26 - I think, or the whole group exists due to the fact that it exploits the vocalist?

Sam 17 - Pompous, but overly stylish.

Clover 21 - That feeling, when I can tell my mother that I was at the Opera ;) .

Fred 23 - These guys need to be simpler ....

Sarah 19 - Van Giers-ber-gene .... aristocrat of the pancake

Jack 16 - No one bothers her dress. In general, they need to be closer to people.

For those who are in the tank -
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As for my biography, I think that I can not be born - my parents are able to meet and get married under the conditions of Soviet power. Nevertheless, it seems to me that I will be better socialized - do not close kindergartens and my mother will not have to wait three years (!). On the other hand, there is a point in my biography that could not have happened to the USSR. Our last royal family is ranked among the saints. On an outreach to the Temple-on-the-Blood, I was brainwashed. This, plus my elephantism to the exaggeration of the role of intellectuals, led me to the "Enlightened Absolutism". After I read the Andromeda Nebula, I turned sharply to the left. The first is incredible, the second is even very possible - probably I will be an even more radical communist.
 
So guys, a friend just said "Libertarianism is training wheels for an actual political ideology", no doubt in reference to the libertarian phases we both went through as edgy teens. That got me thinking, though that would remain the training wheels in the capitalist world, what would the commie equivalent be? It would have to sound vaguely logical, but be based on economic gobbledegook. Then I realized...
Social Credit. I mean it's perfect, right? There'd have to be some sort of Socred Party.
Right Liberterians either grow out of it to become centrists/center leftists/neocons, or they devolve into full blown "what do you mean trading in child sex slaves is abhorrent?" AnCaps.

Anarcho-transhumanism is probably the new big thing in the ultra ultra left.

As for me being born; it primarily results in my dad becoming a combat engineer in the Soviet military and having a posting in Eastern Germany to meet a cute secretary there. This should still happen unless my ancestry is outright wiped out by the harsher second world war.
 
Anarcho-transhumanism is probably the new big thing in the ultra ultra left.
Oh no - better let there be ecoanarchists (although with many of them one must be cautious).
cute secretary
Not that it was important, and it concerned me .... I just noticed that such expressions are not used in relation to parents. Maybe it's just my limited social experience .... Did your father tell you about their acquaintance?
 

Bulldoggus

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Right Liberterians either grow out of it to become centrists/center leftists/neocons, or they devolve into full blown "what do you mean trading in child sex slaves is abhorrent?" AnCaps.
Hey, I'm pretty hard-left (at very least a Left Socdem, although I do like the idea of co-ops) and I was once a Right-Libertarian. Also, I think Libertarians mostly tend to fall all over the US political spectrum, ranging mostly from bog-standard Christian Right types to Sanders-type Dems. The AnCaps are a tiny population with a disproportionately big online presence.
 
I'd exist all right--if the ATL Mind Flip that gives us Comrades Nixon, Hannity et al worked on my father's parents, hence himself and his siblings. It would be difficult to find more reactionary people than my paternal grandparents--I never observed them to be overtly racist, but perhaps I overlooked some distinct signs--otherwise, aside from that they hit the checklist of American reaction pretty thoroughly. They were from Wisconsin, a state which like California produced a strong Progressive movement OTL, but were some sort of contrarians. So, if this persisted in the ATL presumably they'd either die during the Revolution--at which point both would be young teens--or flee to Canada or Cuba, probably the former given the geography. But mind-flipping OTL reactionaries into ATL Red fanatics is common in this TL; how or why this could happen I am not sure, but we don't know how it happened in say Richard Nixon's case for instance.

Meanwhile my maternal grandparents were both from recent immigrant families, but pre-Revolutionary. I never met my grandfather, who died before I was born; my grandmother was born in the USA but being the youngest child, the only member of her family to be so, the rest being born in Sicily. OTL, as adults, both were New Dealer Democrats, so for them the ride would be pretty soft, assuming their recent immigrant status did not throw off their connections to the Revolution. Again like my father's parents they'd be quite young in 1934. I don't think my basically Cockney grandfather nor my Sicilian-American grandmother would have too much trouble assimilating to revolutionary consciousness.

Well, all that except for their relationship to the Roman Catholic Church. On my father's side, for two generations, men converted to Catholicism to marry my great-grandmother and grandmother--the latter case would be post-revolutionary though.

Given that my paternal GPs were both "Birchers" in the contemporary terminology, I'd speculate they'd be rather fanatical Reds in the ATL, and instead of Catholicism pervading my childhood I'd have been raised to be a fanatical atheist. Both families in Wisconsin would undergo some traumatic turn or other leaving the children at least Godless, I suppose. Given my grandparents' character, I can see my youthful grandfather being a loose cannon subversive as a young teen and falling in line with organized Party work in the Revolutionary years as a very young partisan, while my grandmother's people would be fairly conventional but my young grandmother highly inspired. OTL my grandfather did a stint in the Navy as a seaman-machinist just before we entered the war and then volunteered again after Pearl Harbor so I suppose something similar ATL--the Party (Debs-DeLeonist) routes him to the Navy, he serves in the Pacific, the Party routes him back to Kenosha but calls him back up when UASR formally enters the war. This might throw off the timing of marriage to my grandmother (or whatever good Party members of the avant-garde do around 1940) and my father's exact date of conception, but basically a similar situation--my grandfather away in the European theatre somewhere (OTL it was North Africa and Italy then France--as a machinist, he'd hit the beaches with Army and Marines and stay on the shore fixing boats and equipment, but mixed in with the other services there), my grandmother raising my father for several years with her family in Kenosha. They moved to Los Angeles a decade or so after the war due to one of my aunts being recommended a warmer dryer climate.

Meanwhile my mother's parents' families would probably make a less radical, fairly comfortable flip to Trinitarian identity and do much as they did OTL in Los Angeles. So eventually my father meets my mother in higher education in LA somewhere. OTL my father was going to become a Catholic priest and went to a seminary in the Bay Area for some years before he realized he liked girls too much to be a good priest, and I don't know how to manage a similar mirror image of ultra-Debsianism for him ATL; the whole point of the Reds TL is that the society is basically better and saner so I don't think they'd want to raise ultra fanatic youth groups up. Anyway he got routed to the Air Force and I suppose something similar here. I don't see any reason his career arc would be a lot different ATL; he'd get assigned to fighter/interceptors.

However the airplanes might be a lot different! The F-106 of OTL, and its planned successor types (the YF-12, a variant of the SR-71 design, was one such candidate) were designed to fly very fast from forward bases to intercept Soviet bombers as far from CONUS as possible, and this profile depended on Canada being an ally. Here the UASR has a hostile and heavily armed FBU allied Canada bang on the border. Planes of the -106 type might be wanted on the Gulf of Mexico/Caribbean to be sure. But for the major northern threat, especially given UASR-Stavka's aversion to strategic bombing and MAD, would be point-blank interception right on the border; instead of long range and high cruise speed the premium would be on very rapid climb and maneuverability and the designs would be quite different for that front; I'm thinking something more like the Swedish Draken and Viggen, probably with some rocket-assist in the 1950s designs.

Still, the geographical pattern of his career would plausibly be similar, and if not, I'd spend more of my childhood near the Canadian border I guess. Possibly the same time as OTL in Maine, at Loring, though that is so close to Canadian borders it might simply be shut down and we'd be based farther back, in southern Maine or Vermont perhaps; maybe some years in someplace like Minot ND that I've never seen OTL, or Idaho or someplace like that. And maybe still as OTL, largely in the South; I was born in Texas OTL and this seems likely ATL too, as does a fairly heavy concentration of non-front-line support/training bases in Dixie somewhere. By 1965 I'd think that the next phase of Civil Rights for African-Americans would be well accomplished, so I'd grow up in places where they'd be pretty well integrated but some ashes and embers of a bitter final struggle against crypto-Jim Crow scarred the social landscape. Say a decade or two more advanced than OTL but not stagnating and reversing. I suppose the squadrons my Dad served in would be both racially and gender-wise more integrated than OTL by far.

How many generations should we carry on ideological flipping, making OTL figures who were or are very reactionary into fanatical (and perhaps somewhat boorish) Reds instead? Does this imply flipping people who veered Left OTL into people who veer conservative ATL? If I suppose not, that the flipping is largely a matter affecting people between 1900 and 1940 and after that they go as one would logically infer, with there being very little reason for anyone in the Western Hemisphere UASR/Latin American Comintern to veer rightward and the political spectrum is a matter of developing "side" tendencies--feminism, gender identity, rising Green/Environmental consciousness versus a gung-ho atheist-materialist pro-industrial old guard--along with some social lag as the hard revolutionaries see it, then I don't suppose I have to flip myself, and my parents' flipping is a matter of inertia from their parents.

I suppose that in the ATL, there would be better understanding of disability related problems and somewhat less social stigma attached, and my hearing issues (and that of two sisters of mine) would be better identified, and better assisted. This would probably help me be better socially adjusted. I suppose I might not have the aversion to physical self-care and be better fit. If the pressure to abolish tobacco smoking were earlier and stronger, my mother's father might live longer and I would have some personal knowledge of him before he died. My mother's mother would be more assertive since even if he did die fairly young she would not be as destitute and dependent on my father's help as she was OTL. Meanwhile I'd probably be routed into some alternative form of militia service, involving heavy PE but with special missions in my training taking advantage of my "differently abled" adaptions to poor hearing, and then I suppose I'd drift to an aerospace career, probably gravitating to ATL versions of the Jet Propulsion Lab (probably with that name ATL, I think it is canon that CalTech was much as OTL though state rather than privately owned of course) and settle back in Los Angeles somewhere, presumably northward in San Fernando or some such. Maybe I'd live in the region north of the mountains around OTL "Muroc"/Edwards AFB. I'd probably be a lot more socially adjusted and ATL-conventional, probably stodgy as these Reds TL people go. And considerably more successful, though perhaps still falling short of ambitious family dreams of glory.
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Without ideological flipping, my father's side would be dead in the water of course; killed or exiled, no chance of meeting my mother's people, who could also get in trouble if they would not switch from Roman Catholicism to Trinitarianism. Conceivably such conservatism might drive them to Canada to meet my father's people but it is a pretty ASB long shot any of my grandparents would meet each other, let alone my parents exist or meet each other. Ideological flipping on the other hand preserves the whole clan pretty well.
 

It isn't really a mind flip for those famous figures, but more of an audience flip.

ITTL, J. Edgar Hoover dutifully carried out victor's justice against reactionary figures during the 1930s. But it wasn't because he's a good person, which a lot of Reds understood, but because the new management rewarded him for it. If MacArthur had won that civil war, Hoover probably would have hunted down George Patton to gain power in MacArthur's psuedo-fascism.

Rules of politics don't change in any TL. While the UASR is egalitarian, being Premier must come with more than few perks, along with the personal glory of being a world leader.

Nixon could easily be the same seedy politician, but he's a seedy politician who wears a hammer and sickle on his sleeve, and ensures that all Reds get a good life.

Radio and TV demagogues could still exist, but from a left-wing perspective.

ITTL, you don't have to change in terms of disposition, but the way you interact with people could.
 
As for my biography, I think that I can not be born - my parents are able to meet and get married under the conditions of Soviet power. Nevertheless, it seems to me that I will be better socialized - do not close kindergartens and my mother will not have to wait three years (!). On the other hand, there is a point in my biography that could not have happened to the USSR. Our last royal family is ranked among the saints. On an outreach to the Temple-on-the-Blood, I was brainwashed. This, plus my elephantism to the exaggeration of the role of intellectuals, led me to the "Enlightened Absolutism". After I read the Andromeda Nebula, I turned sharply to the left. The first is incredible, the second is even very possible - probably I will be an even more radical communist.

I forgot an important detail - a cultural portrait. Here, sharp differences are possible ... For example, musical tastes - in this regard, I "hard-pro-European" orientation. That is, I like the European Groups - at the very least the most powerful and meaningful collectives in the genres that are most interesting to me from the Western European countries.
 
Oh no - better let there be ecoanarchists (although with many of them one must be cautious).

Not that it was important, and it concerned me .... I just noticed that such expressions are not used in relation to parents. Maybe it's just my limited social experience .... Did your father tell you about their acquaintance?
I could tell you the story of how my parents met as how my father told it last time I asked but it'd be an NC-17 rated story. He doesn't spare the details when he feels like he's in a trollish mood and Mom just eggs him on and it makes me really understand the whole "wake me up inside" meme very personally.
 
The original family however!
And by the way - we say 18+.
Basically what I'm saying is that my mom and dad are fundamentally sexually crude and lewd people who take great joy in watching my face twist itself as they describe their young amorous adventures in exhaustive detail with rather pornographic terminology.
 
Basically what I'm saying is that my mom and dad are fundamentally sexually crude and lewd people who take great joy in watching my face twist itself as they describe their young amorous adventures in exhaustive detail with rather pornographic terminology.
Straight and without analogies !!!!! Tin!

In general, there is a special literature on this subject .... and then it is recommended to press, and there they tell about it not so ... clearly ...
 
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