Alternate States of America: Mexico States

[Gan]

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This is based on my thread in the ASB forum.

I'm fleshing out the Mexican States in an alternate timeline in which the United States fully annexed Mexico. This is being created for an isot timeline similar to the thread in that link.

For those wondering why the project was divided in two, it's because the app I used won't display more than 16 labels for some reason. (Currently can't access a computer.)

1 - South California (SO)

Population: 26,572,885
Capital: Los Angeles
Five Largest Cities:
Tijuana: 5,031,893
Los Angeles: 3,389,587
Carson: 1,561,889 (Near OTL Monterey, California)
La Paz: 814,619
Mexicali: 787,882
Spoken Languages: English Majority
Ethnic Demographics:
68.9% Caucasian
17.4% Asian
9.6% African
2.6% Mixed
0.9% Native
0.6% Other
Religious Demographics:
53.8% Christian
32.4% No Religion
6.7% Buddhist
4.6% Hindu
1.2% Jewish
1.1% Islam
0.5% Other
Governor: Robert Dallas (Whig)
Senators:
Samantha Sanders (Progress)
William Heller (Whig)


2 - Sonora (SN)

Population: 6,789,642
Capital: Hermosillo
Five Largest Cities:
Guaymas: 1,327,661
Puerto Penasco: 1,086,113
Hermosillo: 854,985
Nogales: 691,487
Palomas: 478,984
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
78.2% Caucasian
10.3% Asian
7.5% Mixed
3.6% African
0.4% Other
Religion Demographics:
48.9% Christian
38.7% No Religion
10.2% Buddhist
2.2% Other
Governor: Trevor Jefferson (Progress)
Senators:
Andrew Williams (Progress)
Rose Trevino (Progress)


3 - Chihuahua (CH)

Population: 11,218,991
Capital: Chihuahua
Five Largest Cities:
Juarez: 4,178,985
Chihuahua: 1,687,896
Delicias: 885,987
Parral: 541,667
Camargo: 198,384
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
63.5% Caucasian
21.6% African
7.2% Mixed
3.2% Asian
2.4% Native American
2.1% Other
Religion Demographics:
67.5% Christian
25.8% No Religion
5.1% Jewish
1.3% Buddhist
0.2% Islam
0.1% Other
Governor: Julian Kutscher (Democrat)
Senators:
Jimmy Chen (Whig)
Carl Miller (Whig)


4 - New Leon (NL)

Population: 22,387,419
Capital: Monterrey
Five Largest Cities:
Monterrey: 5,485,975
Reynosa: 1,781,180
Victoria: 1,099,153
Guadalupe: 961,887
Matamoros: 789,655
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
53.2% Caucasian
31.6% African
8.6% Asian
6.4% Mixed
0.2% Other
Religion Demographics:
32.8% No Religion
29.5% Christian
25.3% Jewish
6.2% Buddhist
3.5% Islam
1.8% Hindu
0.9% Other
Governor: Michelle Aguirre (Whig)
Senators:
Jana Fields (Whig)
Alexander Francisco (Progress)


5 - Durango (DU)

Population: 6,285,651
Capital: Durango City
Five Largest Cities:
Culiacan: 1,001,152
Durango City: 951,987
Mazatlan: 786,331
Gomez Palacio: 386,761
Los Mochis: 321,585
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
78.9% Caucasian
16.2% African
3.2% Native American
1.2% Asian
0.5% Other
Religion Demographics:
60% Christian
32.1% No Religion
4.1% Other
2% Jewish
1.8% Islam
Governor: Richard Smithson (Democrat)
Senators:
Kayla Aleman (Democrat)
Harry Parker (Democrat)


6 - Zacatecas (ZA)

Population: 6,819,337
Capital: Zacatecas City
Five Largest Cities:
Aguascalientes: 1,172,590
Santiago: 847,510
San Luis: 756,875
Zacatecas City: 203,871
Matehuela: 195,678
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
67.4% Caucasian
12.7% African
9.8% Native
7.3% Mixed
2.8% Other
Religion Demographics:
56.7% Christian
38.5% No Religion
4.8% Other
Governor: Sofia Navarro (Democrat)
Senators:
Warren Cain (Whig)
Alton Parker (Democrat)


7 - Jalisco (JL)

Population: 10,531,387
Capital: Guadalajara
Five Largest Cities:
Guadalajara: 1,515,978
Zapopan: 1,257,388
Puerto Vallarta: 825,987
Tonala: 567,388
Moreno: 311,417
Spoken Languages: English
Ethnic Demographics:
61.8% Caucasian
22.6% African
11.7% Native
2.8% Mixed
0.7% Other
0.4% Asian
Religion Demographics:
77.3% Christian
11.3% No Religion
6.2% Jewish
5.2% Other
Governor: Jack Mann (Whig)
Senators:
Ralph Springfield (Democrat)
Jill Long (Democrat)

8 - Mexico (MX)

Population: 43,925,308
Capital: Mexico City
Five Largest Cities:
Mexico City: 13,689,987
Puebla: 4,789,388
Morelia: 2,517,389
Acapulco: 1,783,485
Veracruz: 1,578,337
Spoken Languages: English Majority. Spanish, Korean, Japanese, and German are spoken by significant minorities of the population.
Ethnic Demographics:
35.7% Caucasian
28.3% Mixed
12.8% Native
10.4% Asian
9.3% African
3.5% Other
Religion Demographics:
43.9% No Religion
33.5% Christian
13.8% Buddhist
3.6% Shinto
3.2% Muism
1.8% Jewish
0.1% Islam
0.1% Other
Governor: George Takeda (Progress)
Senators:
Vanessa Cruz (Progress)
Nancy Baxter (People's Party)


9 - Wahaca (WH)

Population: 4,312,773
Capital: Wahaca
Five Largest Cities:
Wahaca: 438,446
San Juan: 198,400
Peurto Angel: 125,713
Huatulco: 98,687
Puerto Escondido: 77,549
Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish-speaking minority.
Ethnic Demographics:
49.6% Caucasian
24.5% Mixed
18.3% Native
6.3% African
Religion Demographics:
74.8% Christian
24.3% No Religion
0.9% Other
Governor: Nayeli Castro (Democrat)
Senators:
Andrew Garcia (Democrat)
Carlos Jackson (Whig)


10 - Chiapas (CP)

Population: 9,517,385
Capital: Tuxtla Gutierrez
Five Largest Cities:
Tuxtla Gutierrez: 1,259,378
Villahermosa: 685,975
Tapachula: 329,185
Cardenas: 206,338
San Cristobal: 185,119
Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish minority.
Ethnic Demographics:
82.4% Caucasian
12.5% Mixed
3.8% Native
1.1% African
0.2% Other
Religion Demographics:
78.3% Christian
17.9% No Religion
2.6% Jewish
1.2% Other
Governor: Sarah Moreno (Democrat)
Senators:
Maria Hernandez (Democrat)
Johnathan Torres (Whig)


11 - Yucatan (YC)

Population: 6,390,881
Capital: Merida
Five Largest Cities:
Merida: 1,036,778
Cancun: 863,057
Carmen: 653,385
Campeche: 417,825
Kanasin: 3381,12
Spoken Languages: English, significant Spanish minority.
Ethnic Demographics:
57.3% Caucasian
21.3% African
13.5% Mixed
4.5% Native
2.8% Asian
0.6% Other
Religion Demographics:
76.4% Christian
18.6% No Religion
3.1% Jewish
0.8% Hindu
0.6% Other
0.5% Buddhist
Governor: Stephanie H. Himmler (Whig)
Senators:
Matthew Chavez (Whig)
Harvey Chang (Progress)

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President: Meena Parikh (Whig)
Vice President: Amanda Hochmeister (Whig)

(This is if anyone else wants to use this information for a timeline and wants the ATL President or Vice President in the isot.)

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I will finish the entries for the current states and add more in the coming days.

 

[farmerted555]

Would I be correct in assuming that Tamaulipas is part of Texas?

 

[Gan]

Would I be correct in assuming that Tamaulipas is part of Texas?

Actually, it was merged with Neuve Leon (New Leon).

 

[HarrisonBergeron]

I question whether the US would keep existing Mexican state borders. I mean, why would they? Other than the row of five (if your Rio Grande Republic survived before asking for annexation a la Texas, it’d be a row of four) at the top, the US would likely just redraw the borders of the lower states.

Also, a quick fix to your map.

 

[Gan]

I question whether the US would keep existing Mexican state borders. I mean, why would they? Other than the row of five (if your Rio Grande Republic survived before asking for annexation a la Texas, it’d be a row of four) at the top, the US would likely just redraw the borders of the lower states.

Also, a quick fix to your map.

View attachment 300377

A lot of that boils down to the fact that I'm stuck using an online app to make my maps, since I can't find anything better to do this on a mobile device. The issue with this is that I can only modify maps that are available on the site, and I can't actually redraw the border.

So, in other words, it's limited by the technology I have access to irl.

And thanks for the fixed map.

 

[Gan]

I was finally able to update the map using MS Paint. Any thoughts?

I haven't updated the information on the states yet, but hopefully I can get around to it sometime today.

 

[HarrisonBergeron]

Good on you for splitting California. It might go up to 36º30’, though. Sonora’s northern and western borders would probably follow the rivers. As for the rest, I love ‘em. They make sense. Maybe still one or two too many, however. 5 and 6 may well become one, given the timeframe. Combining them gives a population roughly equal to Michigan, and anything to have fewer senators.

 

[Gan]

Good on you for splitting California. It might go up to 36º30’, though. Sonora’s northern and western borders would probably follow the rivers. As for the rest, I love ‘em. They make sense. Maybe still one or two too many, however. 5 and 6 may well become one, given the timeframe. Combining them gives a population roughly equal to Michigan, and anything to have fewer senators.

I took your advice on moving South California's border north and merging 5 and 6. "Sonora's" northern border was moved much further north than you probably suggested (along the Colorado River and Little Colorado) and is essentially merged with most of OTL Arizona.

Do you think it would be pushing it to include Las Vegas and parts of Nevada as part of California or Sonora-Arizona?

 

[HarrisonBergeron]

I took your advice on moving South California's border north and merging 5 and 6. "Sonora's" northern border was moved much further north than you probably suggested (along the Colorado River and Little Colorado) and is essentially merged with most of OTL Arizona.

Do you think it would be pushing it to include Las Vegas and parts of Nevada as part of California or Sonora-Arizona?

Oh, I’m sorry; I should have specified: the Gila River, not the Colorado–what the US border was before the Gasden Purchase.

If the border is there, then Arizona and New Mexico are roughly the same size, which is what Congress would have wanted.

 

[Gan]

Oh, I’m sorry; I should have specified: the Gila River, not the Colorado–what the US border was before the Gasden Purchase.

If the border is there, then Arizona and New Mexico are roughly the same size, which is what Congress would have wanted.

Ah, that does seem more realistic.

Before I make the final edits, what are your thoughts on the tip of OTL Nevada being part of South California?

 

[HarrisonBergeron]

An argument could be made for it, I guess, but the eastern California border is only where it is (and California as large as it is) because the Californians wanted to lock other states out of the riches of the Sierra Nevada. With California in a weaker position TTL (the US doesn't need it as much and it has obviously already been split), I wonder if the border of north and south California wouldn't be the peak of the Sierra Nevadas… Still, I do like these borders.

 

[Sir Prizing]

Try changing the Arizona/New Mexico border to 31 N. It would make a straight line and give Arizona a port.

I have an idea for a timeline I (hopefully) will eventually do where the US grabs Baja California and enough of Northern Sonora as debt payment after intervening in the 1860's Imperial v. Republican Civil War to extend the southern border of *Arizona (I might change the name) to the Gulf of California. It seems kinda silly to me that Arizona is so close to the sea yet so far away...

 

[Gan]

An argument could be made for it, I guess, but the eastern California border is only where it is (and California as large as it is) because the Californians wanted to lock other states out of the riches of the Sierra Nevada. With California in a weaker position TTL (the US doesn't need it as much and it has obviously already been split), I wonder if the border of north and south California wouldn't be the peak of the Sierra Nevadas… Still, I do like these borders.

https://imgur.com/a/8OYCK

I made two remakes of the map. The only difference is that one South California contains what is OTL Las Vegas while the other it doesn't. Which do you think looks better?

I drew the border along the river as well as I could, although it's far from super accurate.

 

[JJohnson]

I have an idea for a timeline I (hopefully) will eventually do where the US grabs Baja California and enough of Northern Sonora as debt payment after intervening in the 1860's Imperial v. Republican Civil War to extend the southern border of *Arizona (I might change the name) to the Gulf of California. It seems kinda silly to me that Arizona is so close to the sea yet so far away...

Exactly! Just a little more south...just a little more....and we could have South California, Arizonan beaches, and one or two more states out of the deal (if the Treaty of GH gave us Baja, Sonora, Chihuahua, and Rio Grande, maybe 4, doggoneit).

 

[Sir Prizing]

Exactly! Just a little more south...just a little more....and we could have South California, Arizonan beaches, and one or two more states out of the deal (if the Treaty of GH gave us Baja, Sonora, Chihuahua, and Rio Grande, maybe 4, doggoneit).

Ye, Arizonan beaches sounds so far fetched, but if only a simple treaty had been worded a little differently... I lived in the Gadsden Purchase (Tucson) for 5 years; to think how much more we could have gone to the beach.

Anyways, maybe I'll put my thoughts on my TL-to-be in the TL idea thread soon...

 

[Gan]

Update: Added basic information for the first four states.

 

[22iron thunder]

I dont know if its any help but i have a map of my own take on state division in an all Mexico plan i could post if you think it might help or be interesting haha

 

[Gan]

UPDATE: Durango, Zacatecas, Jalisco, and Mexico State now have their basic information filled out.

I dont know if its any help but i have a map of my own take on state division in an all Mexico plan i could post if you think it might help or be interesting haha

Sure, go ahead and post. Now, I probably won't need it at this point, but I might still be interested.

 

[Gan]

UPDATE: The last three states now have statistical data.

For those wondering why I haven't listed Representatives yet, it's because it will have to wait until I decide on the total ATL US population and other information.

 

[22iron thunder]

yeah just if its at all interesting thanks here's a trimmed down version to focus on Mexico