Sorry for taking so long to get to the recent comments, and I'm happy to see that people are still discovering and enjoying the Malêverse.
Oh. Happy Birthday,
@Jonathan Edelstein
Thanks! I'm not sure 45 is a milestone, but it's a good age.
How many countries are there exactly as of ITTL 2016?
Depends on what you'd call a country. More then OTL to be sure.
Ask ten people, get eleven answers. The Consistory uses the figures in the chart at the bottom of
this post, but as Sulemain said, reasonable minds can disagree on what a "country" is - for instance, whether the regional republics that have grown up within the Russian federation count as states or autonomous provinces.
By this time, the figure that's most important to international relations people isn't the number of countries but the number of Consistory members with power to engage in at least some form of treaty-making, which is about 11,000.
I have just this year started reading your terrific timeline...never having I accessed Google so much for background on people and regions. I love it! I also searched for each of the authors of the third year summary and found a wiki page for each. Has anyone else noticed this? Sorry I should note I am currently on page 109.
Thanks for reading! I think the wiki pages are for people who happen to have the same names - with a very few exceptions, I just made up names for the authors of the "academic" books and articles cited in the updates.
With a whole TL's-worth of observations saved up I realize I should just let most of them go, but one I keep coming back to is the assertion by Jonathan and other readers that the US would be perceived as highly "un-post-Westphalian." While I can see their point when it comes to the US's dismissal or only grudging participation in various modern institutions, historically-speaking wouldn't federalism itself be seen as a moderate step in the march away from Westphalianism? Federalism is a set of powers granted to the states that seems hard for a lot of OTL Westphalian nations to grasp, and those powers would be very much similar ITTL, right?
In conclusion, thanks again for writing this, it is easily one of the best things I've ever read on the board; it might even beat Lands of Red And Gold, which is its only real competition as far as I'm concerned. I've often thought about writing something set ITTL, maybe a history of my city (Washington). Is this TL open for submissions or is the lid in place?
You make a good point about American federalism as a precursor, and some of TTL's historians might say so. An opposing view is that American federalism tended to become more centralized over time rather than less, so that the United States moved in the opposite direction from the rest of the world, although that view might be somewhat discredited by the late 20th century due to Native American tribes' representation in the Consistory and the relatively strong localist movements found in some parts of the country.
Thanks for reading, and yes, I've opened the Malêverse to all, so I'd love to see your take on TTL's Washington. Just run your ideas by me and let me see a draft before posting.
@Jonathan Edelstein
After reading Malê Rising, I thought about creating a TL which is so dark that it makes OTL look like Malê Rising. Would you find such a project interesting, or just run-of-the-mill, given that the most noted TLs on the site are already dystopic (For All Time, DoD etc.) ?
The main difference between otl and male rising is male rising is far more multi polar with much less inequality, a larger range of globally influencial cultures, and a much greater spread of wealth.
So I suppose a timeline that made otl look like male rising would be one which is even more mono polar, has less spread of wealth and fewer thriving cultural movements.
A well-done dystopia can certainly be interesting, but I think that, as Youngmarshall said, an anti-Malêverse would be opposite in its ideology and geopolitics rather than its result - a world which is monopolar, highly centralized, culturally conformist and hierarchical. Societism in
@Thande's LTTW timeline actually seems like it could make a good bizarro Malêverse - it does appear rather dystopic, but it also doesn't necessarily have to be.
I'd be interested in seeing some of these ideas fleshed out, although since they'd amount to a separate timeline, they should probably be developed in another thread.
I had a weird thought a while back about a dystopian cross between Malê Rising and Decades of Darkness that, if you don't mind, I'd like to flesh out here. The POD of Malê Rising still happens -- fighters in a Brazilian Islamic slave rebellion win their freedom and go into exile in Africa. But instead of going to *Nigeria, they instead head to *Liberia, which in the DoD 'verse is located in the area of OTL's Namibia.
I'd love to see this fleshed out - the only thing is that in Namibia, they wouldn't have a pre-existing reformist Islamic substrate to build on. The key to the Malê foundation ITTL is that, due to the recent jihad of Usman dan Fodio and the creation of a corps of itinerant women teachers by his daughter Nana Asma'u, Sokoto was already primed to accept a message like Abacar's. In your Namibia, they'd have to start from scratch converting the indigenous people to their form of Islam. This would be difficult given that the Malê and the indigenous ethnic groups are nearly from opposite ends of the Niger-Congo cultural sphere, and that some of the people in northern Namibia may already have been Catholic by this time due to interaction with the Kongo empire and Portuguese missionaries. And at the same time, the Malê would have to adapt to a physical environment very different from the one they know, and one which has less access to iron and coal than northern Nigeria (both are present in Namibia but hadn't been exploited yet in the 19th century and wouldn't be very easy to find).
I'm not saying this would be impossible - the Malê ideology might take root if they persevere, and I'm confident that you could figure out a plausible way for them to do this. But their early interaction with the people they conquer would have to be very different, and that in turn would change everything else.
I'd always thought that one of the key breaks the abacarism philosophy got in the male rising timeline was that it was rarely the philospher of the conquerer.
It's heavily hinted that had Abacar's rule of the Sokoto republic continued, he would have being overthrown as a tyrant. But instead he died as a martyr and the successor kingdoms don't really expand after that, on the contrary they get conquered by the british very quickly. So it never becomes the ideology of the ruling class, of the warlord.
Or at least it is delayed in doing so - during the early 20th century, the Abacarists became an entrenched ruling party in Ilorin, leading to the Muhammadu Abacar dictatorship and ultimately to revolution in the early 1920s. But as you say, the historical circumstances in which the Malê republics rose meant that this didn't happen during the formative years of the 19th century, and there was also a great deal of peaceful expansion to the Yoruba and neighboring ethnic groups via the
jaji teachers, so (with a few exceptions) it managed to avoid being perceived as a colonial ideology. This would be another obstacle that a Malê state in *Namibia would have to contend with - its dynamics with the indigenous people may look a lot more like Liberia IOTL than like Sokoto ITTL, and it would have to fix that before its ideology could gain widespread appeal.
Thanks again to everyone for your thoughts. For those who haven't found it already and who may be interested, I've posted
The Emperor's Gift, an AH story involving international brigades in the Second Italo-Ethiopian War, to the Writer's Forum; a revised version of it has been sold and will appear in January.