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I got something better in mind. Multiple Jewish nations and states ISOT to this Earth. They was a thread about it in fact.
We can have a Jewish New York State, a Jewish Utah and California, a Jewish Khazaria, a large super Israel, a Israel in East Africa and a ton of other Judaism base nations, all sent to this nightmare of the world.
And just for kicks, a super German Empire and friends.
We can have a Jewish New York State, a Jewish Utah and California, a Jewish Khazaria, a large super Israel, a Israel in East Africa and a ton of other Judaism base nations, all sent to this nightmare of the world.
And just for kicks, a super German Empire and friends.
Yes that's a lot more likely.
I think 150 000-200 000 would be the most. It will likely be as you suggested Israeli citizens (there will likely be relative few of them in USA). Members of Zionist organisations, again I don't think there will be a large number. The biggest group will likely be Jewish socialists.
There's a few thing we have to think about Israel was for many years not especially popular among the more religious among the Orthodox Jews, many of them objected against the state's existence based on both theology, but also the fact that Israel was secular and in many eyes socialist. In this world that will be worse. As such the more areligious and left wing Jews will likely be the most suspect. While the Orthodox will be more likely to openly condemn Israel. So while this conflict start with condemnation of Yiddish, I think it's more likely that the focus will shift as some Orthodox rabbis openly condemn Israel and Lehi.
The difference is that USA have much fewer Japanese Americans than Jews, so outside a few loud mouth Zionists, I don't think USA have much interest in them being sent to USA.
Amer
Agreed.
I will change it to just the most rabble rousing of the Zionist Latin Jewish leaders then.
So, they want to stop radicalization by literally building concentration camps. This TL gets worse and worse for the People of the Book. At least RFK saw the monstrosity of the things. What happened to Jack? Did he die early?
1978 Midterm Elections
FBI Director Mark Felt retires, Richard Nixon (R-CA) nominated as replacement by President Buckley.
- Sacramento Bee
"Listen Dick, we've got a quarter of the seats in Congress. That just doesn't cut it. I need leverage, and fast, or I'm gonna end up like Pepper."
[...]
"Yes this is a secure line."
[...]
"A list?"
[...]
No. In person. No copies.
- Recorded phone conversation between President Buckley and FBI Director Richard Nixon.
"Mr. President"
"Cut the small talk Dick, what's in this folder anyway?"
"Nineteen Senate seats"
"... tell Don to cancel my appointments, I've got a meeting with Mr. Thurmond this afternoon."
- Recorded conversation between President Buckley and FBI Director Richard Nixon.
"Mr. President"
"Good to see you Strom, have you looked over my plan?"
"Yes, but these Urban Enterprise Zones... they give the Federal Government too much control over our southern cities an-"
"Let me stop you there Strom, let's talk colleges."
"Yes sir, entirely too much federal funding goes to Negro institutions an-"
"No no, California State University. My state. I know the students well, and I think you do too. One in particular anyway."
"..."
"Do we understand each other Strom?"
"I'll, uhh, get my people to vote for the UEZ bill an-"
"No. They vote for all my bills. Understand?
"Mecham will oppose me an-"
"Then get rid of him. Passman and Jenrette too. Understand?"
"Yes... Mr. President."
"Good."
[1]
- Recorded conversation between President Buckley and States' Rights Floor Leader Strom Thurmond.
"That's 44 seats, still not what we need Dick."
"With Foss' men that's 58. We can kill any gun control law that comes to the table. With Conscience that's 56, we can block any peacenik from interfering with the war effort. With Covenant that's 52, stops any kike-favoring agenda from getting off the ground. There's als-"
"With Grange. With Conscience. With Covenant. Kill. Block. Stop. Dick, when do we get to propose? Act? Govern? When will this country do anything again?"
"Without at least half the chamber in our pocket any pissant can run roughshod over us. I'm sorry sir bu-"
"Then get me half the chamber."
"The next election cycle doesn't favor us that much sir, I-"
"Doesn't it? Aren't you my FBI director? Do some investigating."
"... I have this list, not everything is concrete bu-"
"Good. The gloves come off now Dick. Get a team together."
"Well sir, I have a few people I'd like to bring on board..."
"Everyone's guilty of doing something in the dark Dick, put spotlight on em' and it all comes tumbling down..."
- Recorded conversation between President Buckley and FBI Director Richard Nixon.
"Roy!"
"Yes sir?"
"How many"
"What?"
"How many?"
"... just one so far sir"
"This cycle?"
"Yes sir"
"Get me two"
"I'm on it"
1978 Senate Races
Note: All "crimes" committed by the Senators in question are OTL. Races marked with a (*) indicate that something untoward occurred during the campaigning process ITTL.
Alabama: George Wallace (SR)
Seat held.
*Alaska: Ted Stevens (I)
Indicted on corruption charges, seat won by Republican challenger.
*Arkansas: Wilbur Mills (V)
Gave drunken an interview to an unknown reporter in a burlesque house, seat won by States' Rights challenger.
*Colorado: Richard Lamm (G)
Jailed for possession of schedule 1 drug (marijuana), seat won Republican challenger.
Delaware: Peace Incumbent
Seat won Conscience challenger.
Georgia: Jimmy Carter (V)
Seat held.
*Idaho: George V. Hansen (G)
Jailed for corruption, seat won Republican challenger.
*Illinois: Dan Crane (G)
Exposed as homosexual, jailed under U.S. anti-sodomy laws, seat won Republican challenger.
*Iowa: Harold Hughes (G)
Committed suicide, seat won Republican challenger.
Kansas: Bob Dole (G)
Seat held.
Kentucky: Republican Incumbent
Seat won by States' Rights challenger.
*Louisiana: Otto Passman (SR)
Convicted of bribery, committed suicide, seat retained for States' Rights by "Thurmondite" candidate.
Maine: Peace Incumbent
Seat won by Conscience challenger.
*Massachusetts: Gerry Studds (D)
Exposed as homosexual, jailed under U.S. anti-sodomy laws, seat won Republican challenger.
Michigan: Peace Incumbent
Seat won by Conscience challenger.
Minnesota: Gene McCarthy (P)
Seat won by Conscience challenger.
Mississippi: SR Incumbent
Seat won by challenger Elvis Presley (V).
Montana: Republican Incumbent
Seat held.
Nebraska: Republican Incumbent
Seat held.
New Hampshire: Conscience Incumbent
Seat held.
*New Jersey: Barney Frank (C)
Exposed as homosexual, jailed under US anti-sodomy laws, seat won by Republican challenger.
New Mexico: Democratic Incumbent
Seat won by States' Rights' challenger.
North Carolina: Covenant Incumbent
Seat held.
Oklahoma: Republican Incumbent
Seat held.
*Oregon: Bob Packwood (C)*
Convicted on several accounts of sexual assault, seat won by Republican challenger, party leader eliminated.
Rhode Island: Conscience Incumbent
Seat held.
*South Carolina: John Jenrette (SR)
Convicted of bribery, did not stand for re-election, seat retained for States' Rights by "Thurmondite" candidate.
South Dakota: Joe Foss (G)
Seat won by Republican challenger, party leader eliminated.
*Tennessee: Abe Fortas (V)
Found to have consorted with a convicted felon, seat won by States' Rights challenger.
Texas: Charlie Nesbitt Wilson (G)
Jailed for possession of schedule 1 drug (cocaine), seat won by challenger Marion Morrison (R).
Virginia: Covenant Incumbent
Seat held.
West Virginia: Republican Incumbent
Seat held.
Wyoming: Grange Incumbent
Seat held.
Results
Although details of their imprisonment would not come to light for a number of years, convicted felons in the Buckley Administration were subject to various forms of torture. Ex-Senators and other high ranking officials alike were subject to medical neglect and "diesel therapy" a form of punishment in which prisoners are painfully shackled and then transported for days or weeks without rest. [2]
The election was a GOP landslide. The Statue of Liberty Attack and the subsequent Jewish Internment laws saw Buckley cut through Grange's support base with a "tough on terror [Jews]" stance. Further, the Buckley Administration successfully ended the Sagebrush Rebellion by opening up large swaths of federal land in the west for private ownership. This angered environmentalists but solidified GOP support in the Grange heartland. Further, the capture of Jerusalem by American-led forces cut through PDP support like a knife. Floor Leader Muskie, who had been arguing the war was futile, now looked the fool. The atrocities committed by America's Concordant allies had not yet come to light, and the war effort was popular among the general public at this time. These factors, combined with an end to the oil crisis, resulted in the GOP picking up an unusually high number of seats for an incumbent party.
The Republicans, who had been labeled "the janitors" for their constant harping about the need to clean up corruption, were vindicated by the outbreak of several scandals surrounding the other parties. The Conscience Party was forced to replace Floor Leader Packwood after his implication in a sex scandal. George Aiken, who had help found the party decades earlier, was selected with the blessing of Senator Smith. Smith, who was re-elected to her seat in Maine, was 81 years old at the time and assumed a position of Elder Stateswoman.
The Republicans selected Major Marion Mitchell Morrison, hero of the Black Ditch and Former Governor of Texas, to replace Nixon as their leader after the latter resigned to become Director of the FBI. The GOP picked up nine seats and joined States' Rights to form a majority government. The coalition, which held 56 seats between them, was well positioned to do some actual governing over the next two years...
Footnotes
[1] If it wasn't clear, President Buckley is blackmailing Thurmond.
[2] IOTL at least one person on this list, George V. Hansen, was subject to these forms of torture while imprisoned. The practice is more widespread ITTL.
[3] A leader with a grey portrait indicates that his party has been destroyed politically. Ted Stevens was the only member of his "party" and thus it died with his defeat for re-election.
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He lost his Senate race ITTL. He eventually ended up in the private sector. RFK took his place on the political scene after McCarthy died, and won election to the Senate seat Jack had contested and lost. Ted won the special election to replace Bobby when the later was appointed Secretary of Labor.
A few thoughts I had today about eugenics. I think the eugenics movement will still be going strong, the irony is that it's not USSR, USA or the West Europeans who running the show on that movement. It's likely the Nordics, historical the Nordic countries continued practising (non-racial) eugenics into the seventies, through the increase social liberalism of the post-War periode slowly made it lose support. But here the Nordic are much more cultural isolated, the Americans are horrible, the French are fascist and USSR are communists. So the Nordics are much more inward looking and much more focused on uprise the masses. So we will likely see them practising and researching eugenic on small scale. Free medical ultrasound will likely have resulted in down syndrome almost being unknown in NEZ (even with the disappearance of the eugenic movement, this is still happening, I just think it will happen here decades earlier). Alcoholics, habitual criminals (including prostitutes) and the mental ill are likely forced sterilised on large scale. Homosexuals and other sexual "deviants" are likely offered (and only offered not forced) lobotomy or medical or physical castration, or volunteer to medical research in getting rid of their "condition". So the nicest democratic and most prosperous countries are likely sending report after report about eugenic methods out into the world, including reports about how much money they saves by pushing these policies.
I feel you're pointing this out because we're going to need to get used to it.
Are things going to start solidifying into a more stable multiparty, or even possibly two party system?
Morgenthau, as said before, committed genocide. There's plenty of evil people on the left and right here.
It's more of a "extremes are horrifying" TL I think. Morganthau arguably came from a "good" place, stopping another holocaust, but murdered millions in the process. Buckley arguably comes from a "sensible place", we need to bring order to this chaos, but you see what he's doing to create "order".
True, though he didn't appear to be sowing the seeds of a dictatorship as Dandy Jim is seemingly doing.
Dan D. isn't a nice guy. But not because he's a conservative (in the American sense of the word). The "worst" people in this TL identify the problem best, but make an even worse problem by using a terrible method to solve that problem.