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Map Thread XIV
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Long live the ISOT bandwagon! I don't mind picking apart or getting picked apart . Sometimes we all overestimate and sometimes underestimate the abilities of nations, and by putting those nations in a vacuum (somewhat what an ISOT is) we expose those failings of ourselves more clearly. I've been thinking about the capabilities of a state put into a such a vacuum a lot, and well, here we go with population numbers and growth rates and whatnot.
Devanagari ISOT World- थ (similar but not the same to the English 'tha'. Try putting your tongue between your teeth, and make an aspirated 'T' sound).
In this world nations whose Hindi name starts with थ have ISOTed to a human-less earth which diverged about four million years ago from our own. There's only one such country, Thailand (थाईलैण्ड- 'Thaaeelaend').
Thailand, finding itself totally alone, had a rough time. Plentiful space, and the ability of farmers to move to nearby farmlands, which although good enough for sustenance levels were not terribly conducive to massive population building, kept humanity afloat.
By the year 2500, humanity (speaking various languages, all regarded as mere dialects of 'Standard Thai') is spread very thin, and is reliant on agriculture. Trade is rather limited, and the vast majority of inhabited territory is occupied by somewhat anarchist/libertarian groups and local rule. The two large Buddhist monarchies controlling China-Korea-Japan and the Middle East (including Egypt) aside, feudalism is more dominate than authoritarianism, and rule by clan/by tribe/by village is more dominate than feudalism. The "First World" includes parts of India, Southern China, Continental South East Asia (now having been at peace for centuries) Indonesia, and East Africa. Religion is big, but not a source of conflict; almost the entirety of the world is either Buddhist or following a splintered sect of Buddhism. The main exception is Australia, which is Muslim Thai. The Muslims of Southern Thailand were among the first to migrate out, but successive waves of Buddhists pushed them further and further south over the centuries. Eventually they settled in Australia, before being conquered by the now-Buddhist inhabitants of Indonesia. In the last century, an Islamic Revolution overthrew the oppressors and established a shariah state that, while not being really a bad place (alcohol is still legal for instance) is a global pariah. Technology fell back to the 90s fairly quickly after the event, and remained their for centuries. Without state-funding, advancements have come slowly and out of necessity, though a democracy in Eastern Africa recently started Moon missions. International Orders of Buddhist monks, while easily willing to split on the lines of dogma, nevertheless are a connected, influential group that not-so secretly does most of the scientific or academic work in the world. A somewhat more useless version of the internet has been in use for centuries, and shows no signs of replacing the written word more fully in the future, though it is much less centrally controlled or monitored. Things may about to change, as a demographic boom seems to be approaching, thanks to living standards returning to 2016 levels. And though trade has been low, with the highly isolated from itself, large parts may be about to become once again connected.
Devanagari ISOT World- थ (similar but not the same to the English 'tha'. Try putting your tongue between your teeth, and make an aspirated 'T' sound).
In this world nations whose Hindi name starts with थ have ISOTed to a human-less earth which diverged about four million years ago from our own. There's only one such country, Thailand (थाईलैण्ड- 'Thaaeelaend').
Thailand, finding itself totally alone, had a rough time. Plentiful space, and the ability of farmers to move to nearby farmlands, which although good enough for sustenance levels were not terribly conducive to massive population building, kept humanity afloat.
By the year 2500, humanity (speaking various languages, all regarded as mere dialects of 'Standard Thai') is spread very thin, and is reliant on agriculture. Trade is rather limited, and the vast majority of inhabited territory is occupied by somewhat anarchist/libertarian groups and local rule. The two large Buddhist monarchies controlling China-Korea-Japan and the Middle East (including Egypt) aside, feudalism is more dominate than authoritarianism, and rule by clan/by tribe/by village is more dominate than feudalism. The "First World" includes parts of India, Southern China, Continental South East Asia (now having been at peace for centuries) Indonesia, and East Africa. Religion is big, but not a source of conflict; almost the entirety of the world is either Buddhist or following a splintered sect of Buddhism. The main exception is Australia, which is Muslim Thai. The Muslims of Southern Thailand were among the first to migrate out, but successive waves of Buddhists pushed them further and further south over the centuries. Eventually they settled in Australia, before being conquered by the now-Buddhist inhabitants of Indonesia. In the last century, an Islamic Revolution overthrew the oppressors and established a shariah state that, while not being really a bad place (alcohol is still legal for instance) is a global pariah. Technology fell back to the 90s fairly quickly after the event, and remained their for centuries. Without state-funding, advancements have come slowly and out of necessity, though a democracy in Eastern Africa recently started Moon missions. International Orders of Buddhist monks, while easily willing to split on the lines of dogma, nevertheless are a connected, influential group that not-so secretly does most of the scientific or academic work in the world. A somewhat more useless version of the internet has been in use for centuries, and shows no signs of replacing the written word more fully in the future, though it is much less centrally controlled or monitored. Things may about to change, as a demographic boom seems to be approaching, thanks to living standards returning to 2016 levels. And though trade has been low, with the highly isolated from itself, large parts may be about to become once again connected.
This is really good! You're spot on on that bit about over and underestimating nations, and you've done a very nice job in putting said ideas in practice. The settlement patterns are sensible - you can't really predict _exactly_ how things would turn out but your guesses seem pretty good. Nice work, and I'd certainly be happy seeing more one-nation ISOT's in the future.
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Oh crap. I can finally post now. After like three months of waiting to do so. I just had to say, I'm enjoying looking at all the amazing influx of ISOT maps fellas. I hope to see some crazy worlds, and maybe even some relatively normal ones.
Is it possible to do map requests here? I just don't have much time for fun maps ATM.
If anyone's interested, it's for https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-stalin-buys-the-proposal.391062/#post-12571229
With the scenario being Stalin accepts Hitlers bait to attack the British, particularly in Asia. The main targets of course are India, Iraq, Kuwait and French Syria, but Persia, Afghanistan and possibly Turkey are also attacked in some form or another (to be fair the latter may only involve crossing the Zagros mountains in the east as opposed to a full scale one). And of course some plausible implications for this. Assume Nazi success in Europe is more or less otl level, plus any advantages a more distracted Britain may give.
If anyone's interested, it's for https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-stalin-buys-the-proposal.391062/#post-12571229
With the scenario being Stalin accepts Hitlers bait to attack the British, particularly in Asia. The main targets of course are India, Iraq, Kuwait and French Syria, but Persia, Afghanistan and possibly Turkey are also attacked in some form or another (to be fair the latter may only involve crossing the Zagros mountains in the east as opposed to a full scale one). And of course some plausible implications for this. Assume Nazi success in Europe is more or less otl level, plus any advantages a more distracted Britain may give.
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Here's a blank map of Rhode Island with town outlines (since there isn't a good one out there):
To go along with it, I also made an ancestry map using Statistical Atlas (more or less self-explanatory):
To go along with it, I also made an ancestry map using Statistical Atlas (more or less self-explanatory):
Can we have a key or something? I mean I can guess most of those, but still it's a bit hard to tell who is who at times.
Follow-up question: Mormon is an ethnicity?
I think that the pink in Utah is English ancestry. It's the same color as in Northern Maine and elsewhere
And Hongcouver recolonizing Hong Kong?Okay, changed the map so it would be a little more realistic.
Americas
- The Republic of Cascadia is the dominating force in the world. Currently settling the gold filled California.
- With the founding of Cascadia and the desire of some to settle new lands that didn't fall under Cascadian jurisdiction led to the creation of the Republic of Deseret. Deseret is a theodemocray surrounding the area around Salt Lake. Kinda friends with Cascadia, up to a point.
- Unified States of American Liberty is many small states that follow a libertarian ideology along the Alaskan coast. The nation is headed by a large council with one member from each state. They have a large dislike of Cascadia, seeing them as a statist, authoritarian, imperialistic empire.
- Peru has free reign over South America, but are having some problems colonizing anything past the Andes mountain range. They have spawned only one new state, which is the Republic of Panama. They hope to eventually build a canal to begin colonizing the Caribbean.
- The colonies of New Ireland are currently thriving thanks to help from the Cascadians.
Europe
Africa
- The Republic of Ireland was the only completely independent nation to be sent to Europe.
- Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and the Isle of Man discussed if they should reform the United Kingdom or become independent. They chose to unify to prevent total economic collapse. A monarch was found in a small town near the border of Scotland. Currently, Queen Victoria II rules The United Kingdom of Britain and Northern Ireland.
- Brittany had a few problems, but they were able to get back on their feet fairly quickly. Current ruler of the mainland.
- Basque country, the surprise independent nation, Brittany helped them get back on their feet. Seen as friendly rivals of Brittany when it comes to colonizing the continent.
- The Papal States have been reborn by Catholics wishing the rebuild the Vatican. Colonization increased once Morocco started colonizing Sicily.
- The French Republic has rebuilt Paris. The Republic of the Netherlands is currently home to most of the German, Danish, Austrian, Belgian, and Swiss citizens until they can rebuild their nations.
- Morocco is having a heyday building an empire throughout Europe.
- South Africa is the current rival to Morocco in the "How fast can I make an empire" challenge. Morocco is currently in the lead.
Asia/Middle East
- Israel, the only nation of the Middle East to the brought to this New World. Currently very pleased that they currently hold the entire Promised Land.
- Muslims from around the world flocked to the Arabian Peninsula to rebuild Mecca.
- Don't be fooled by "independent" Japan, it's a Cascadian Puppet.
Oceania
- New Zealand was sad to be all alone, but in recent years has become friends with Cascadia after being rediscovered.
- Colonization of what used to be Australia is going well. Only a few giant kangaroos to worry about.
(Better?)
Keep in mind, I never force or really suggest people make changes to maps. It was mostly honest confusion, as if Northern Ireland was not brought along then it would not have autonomous status, as there would be no people left there.
Thanks! Ghana and Sri Lanka are also going to be by themselves once ISOTed, but I'm not sure how that will work out yet.
Depends on if the Tamils manage to escape in time, and not be swallowed up like it seems the Malays might have in your last map. Unless they are the ones who went off to Australia.
He wasn't forced to change his map...
No one held a gun to his head and said "change this!"
And people don't aggressively pick apart everything. He posted a scenario and people brought up issues with it. Some aspects he defended, whilst others he changed.
Beedok, as everyone else has said, this series is mucho danko. So how are the Souix gonna fair for secession? And, honestly, which government would probably prove the better? The Junta, or the Party? and would Ireland just sit there and remain commie?
NOTE: PLEASE stop posting these ISOTs! You all have a thread dedicated to this weird phenomenon... As hypocritical as this is coming from me of all people, just go. Or else I'll make a Strasserism joke. And now that I'm on it, Strasserism is not really Nazism. Both are very different; only uniting over a common dislike of the Jews, but their views of why they're bad stem from different reasons. No ban plz
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