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The question is, why would Labour do that?

What do they have to gain by not doing that? They're not going to get into government after a second general election, and from their perspective a Lib Dem government is at least better than a Tory government...

Plus they can do some sort of a deal with the Lib Dems – agree to support them in a vote of no confidence, if the Lib Dems will in return agree to support some of Labour's policies/election promises.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
They refuse to enter coalition with either the Tories or Labour.

Queenie asks the Tories if they can form a government. They can't.

Next, Queenie asks Labour if they can form a government. They can't.

Next, Queenie asks the Lib Dems if they can form a government. They can, provided that Labour agree to support them in a vote of no confidence.
Why wouldn't the Tories or Labour be able to form a Govemrent with the LibDems? Granted, Brown was pig ignorant at this point and felt it was his way or the highway, no questions asked, but in such an extraordinary situation, he would have taken the pragmatic option of a Coalition deal, or the Conservatives would have reached out and sought to form a Goverment with the LibDems. They have no reason to refuse a Coalition with either (bar both Parties putting a brick wall when it came to accepting Coalition terms, which, lets face it, when partying like it's 1923 isn't a feasible option), as their position is nothing more than an extreme exaggeration of their position IoTL.
 
They refuse to enter coalition with either the Tories or Labour.

Queenie asks the Tories if they can form a government. They can't.

Next, Queenie asks Labour if they can form a government. They can't.

Next, Queenie asks the Lib Dems if they can form a government. They can, provided that Labour agree to support them in a vote of no confidence.

Why would Labour do that? Neither of the big two parties have any interest in electoral reform if they can avoid it, and if they do, would want to shape whatever reforms occur to benefit themselves. Allowing the Liberals a chance at actual government allows them to form the consensus on what the new electoral system will look like. The two big parties will need to sway the Liberals, to come to a consensus that will benefit them.
 
Why wouldn't the Tories or Labour be able to form a Govemrent with the LibDems? Granted, Brown was pig ignorant at this point and felt it was his way or the highway, no questions asked, but in such an extraordinary situation, he would have taken the pragmatic option of a Coalition deal, or the Conservatives would have reached out and sought to form a Goverment with the LibDems. They have no reason to refuse a Coalition with either (bar both Parties putting a brick wall when it came to accepting Coalition terms, which, lets face it, when partying like it's 1923 isn't a feasible option), as their position is nothing more than an extreme exaggeration of their position IoTL.
Fair enough. I thought that the Lib Dems might steadfastly refuse to enter a coalition in the hope of getting a minority government, but thinking about it what you say does make sense.
 
Why wouldn't the Tories or Labour be able to form a Govemrent with the LibDems? Granted, Brown was pig ignorant at this point and felt it was his way or the highway, no questions asked, but in such an extraordinary situation, he would have taken the pragmatic option of a Coalition deal, or the Conservatives would have reached out and sought to form a Goverment with the LibDems. They have no reason to refuse a Coalition with either (bar both Parties putting a brick wall when it came to accepting Coalition terms, which, lets face it, when partying like it's 1923 isn't a feasible option), as their position is nothing more than an extreme exaggeration of their position IoTL.

Not quite true. Labour is quite capable of making a deal with the Liberals and getting into government, without needing help from any other parties. One of the big roadblocks IOTL for a Lab-Lib deal was that it would have needed the nationalists to get a majority, the arithmetic clearly favoured the Coalition we got. Not so ITTL.
 

shiftygiant

Gone Fishin'
Not quite true. Labour is quite capable of making a deal with the Liberals and getting into government, without needing help from any other parties. One of the big roadblocks IOTL for a Lab-Lib deal was that it would have needed the nationalists to get a majority, the arithmetic clearly favoured the Coalition we got. Not so ITTL.
LibDems are certainly in a position to form a Lib-Lab Goverment, and whilst they might drift to the Tories because they don't want to form a Government with an unpopular Prime Minister, propping up Labour is more likely, and with Labour continuing in power, they could certainly see... bloody hell it is 1923.
 
Its a bit of an idle thought but I was wondering what an electoral map of the USA would look like if it operated on a cross between the Weimar and US systems. The electoral college would be retained (not really logical but there you go), but the number of votes allocated to each state, and the total number of electors, would depend on how many people voted. So like the Weimar system each say 400,000 votes cast would get that state another elector. Majority in each state as OTL would then determine where those electors went. My initial thought is that it would really benefit "insurgent" parties and those able to get a high turnout in a small number of states as in this circumstance population wouldn't matter. Unfortunately this would be Wallace for example.
 
This is what would have happened in 2010 if the Lib Dems had won the popular vote. All I did was plug the most favourable opinion poll (in which the LDs were 3% ahead of the Tories,with 34% to their 31%, while Labour were down on 26%) into Electoral Calculus.

Results:
Conservative - 239
Labour - 233
Lib Dem - 149
SNP - 6
Plaid Cymru - 3
Green - 1
Health Concern - 1
Northern Ireland - 18

So either coalition is a goer, and electoral reform is Obviously Going to Happen since the most popular party got 90 seats less than the second favourite and 84 less than the third.

Hmm. I might do a percentage majority version at some point. Though an election night TL would be fun to write...

Also, Erewash ends up a three-way marginal!
 
Some DoD elections, because once I grapple onto something I'm physically incapable of letting it go. There'll be more of these, but I'm starting out with the two presidential elections held in the *US under the 1850 census, which also helpfully include the same voting states. All credit to Jared for the TL, which is a classic of the genre and should be read by anyone who likes grimdark, American regionalism, weird neo-imperialism or all of the above.

First up: 1852. This was a Patriot landslide, in which incumbent President Lewis Cass used the enormous popularity of his conquests in Mexico to cruise to a second full term in office. The Democrats put up Governor James Guthrie of Kentucky, largely to have a chance at a big state outside their stronghold, and as expected did not break into three figures in the electoral vote.

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1856 couldn't have been more different if it tried. The Patriots had been in power for sixteen years, and were getting somewhat complacent - their nomination of incumbent VP Sam Houston didn't help them appear fresh, while the Democrats nominated the immensely popular war hero General Jefferson Davis. The latter won a narrow but convincing victory, backed by nearly the entire South (obviously not called the South ITTL, but you get the point) while the northernmost tier of states backed Houston, as did North Carolina and his home state of East Texas. Senator John Bell of Tennessee launched a third-party bid under the banner of the Freedom Party, campaigning on a nativist platform, but won only Maryland.

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Hmm. I might do a percentage majority version at some point. Though an election night TL would be fun to write...

Also, Erewash ends up a three-way marginal!
That would be great. I gave it a go, but got bored after about a hundred seats (it was Past My Bedtime). Liverpool turns beautifully pink.
 
The 2020 Antarctic Presidential Election was the start of the Democratic Era in Antarctic history, although the country was still a puppet of the Imperialists of the North. What with President Trump having launched the commercialisation of the continent (against the wishes of the UN or the other signatories of the Antarctic Treaty) by encouraging Monsanto and Halliburton to use any and all natural resources there for their own unregulated ends, the 'Ice Rush' colonists felt the need to import their own power structures to their new home - in this case, the American style of Presidential Elections, with each State electing an Elector as a baseline and then another one for each Research Station (i.e. mining facility) in the State. The States are based on the pre-Independence regions of Antarctica.

The colonising powers (particularly Argentina and Chile) protested at the Declaration of Independence which was signed by the Antarctic Chamber of Commerce at the behest of Trump, which led to the Antarctic War of Liberation, in which Santiago and Buenos Aires were levelled by the US Navy within two weeks of the outbreak. No further protests were made. The two major parties are the Party of Ice, which is backed by all the major corporate interests and has its main base of support in the mining communities, while the Antarctic People's Party, with its base in the populous State of Graham Land, represents those who wish to return to the Antarctic Treaty as the governing document of the continent, which essentially means scientists as well as some hardline Chilean and Argentine nationalists. The APP uses social-democratic rhetoric, but Left and Right doesn't really enter into Antarctic politics - the only way to go is North, after all. What really matters is the pro- and anti-Business and pro- and anti-American divide.

Some minor parties contested the election: the Front National de la Terre Adelie is a French-separatist party operating in parts of East Antarctica (they won a weirdly high proportion of the vote in Wilkes Land, which is home to a small French base but has never been a French possession) led by Jean-Marie Le Pen, who was exiled from France by his daughter in 2019, and the White Party who campaign on a basis of returning the continent to a State of Nature by ejecting both the corporations and the Latin Americans. They are allied with the international Green Parties, but as the colour green is basically the antithesis of what they are about, they do not use it. Neither of these parties won any electoral votes, so the final result was:

Liz Cheney (Party of Ice) - 51 EVs
Maximo Kirchner (Antarctic People's Party) - 43 EVs
Jean-Marie Le Pen (Front National) - 0 EVs
Ranulph Fiennes (White Party) - 0 EVs

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This is funny, I like to see more on this.
 
I'll begin a series of sorts. It's an observer game of Vicky 2, watching the American elections with the "tag" command and looking at the party vote at the end of each election. Here's a link to the color scheme I'll be using, with the numbers as percentages: http://puu.sh/p4Y7G/0ddb469b67.png

First, the election of 1836:
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The new Whig party ran several candidates for president in an attempt to send the election to the House, which would hopefully select them. However, their lack of one major candidate caused them to lose to van Buren by a landslide, although Francis Granger did rather well in New York, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia. Some other, more hardlined Democrats ran, but they failed to get 15% of the vote in a single state.

Martin van Buren (D): 63.2%
Assorted candidates (W): 27.5%
Other Democrats (D): 9.3%

Vote for van Buren:
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Vote for Whigs:
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Vote for other Democrats:
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The 1840 election:
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Martin van Buren's first term went rather well, with an end to the Mexican-American War and the admission of four new states. However, the Whigs managed to nominate a single candidate: Francis Granger. The hardliner Democrats did better in this election as well, though they were unable to nominate a single candidate.

Martin van Buren (D): 56.1%
Francis Granger (W): 31.7%
Other Democrats (D): 12.2%

Vote for van Buren:
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Vote for Granger:
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Vote for hardline Democrats:
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The election of 1844:
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President van Buren declined to seek a third term, but his successor, James K. Polk, was elected as easily as he was.

James K. Polk (D): 57.2%
Francis Granger (W): 33.2%
Hardliners (D): 9.6%

Vote for Polk:
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Vote for Granger:
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Vote for hardliners:
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1848 Election:
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The Whig vote was split by the appearance of the radical Free Soil Party.

Lewis Cass (D): 47.1%
Francis Granger (W): 23.6%
Martin van Buren (FS): 23.3%
Hardliners (D): 6.1%

Vote for Cass:
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Vote for Granger:
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Vote for van Buren:
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Vote for hardliners:
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1852 Election:
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The Democrats continued on their trend of plurality winning, while the opposition vote was split.
Lewis Cass (D): 43.0%
Francis Granger (W): 25.1%
John P. Hale (FS): 24.9%
Hardliners (D): 5.2%
Others: 1.7%

Vote for Cass:
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Vote for Granger:
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Vote for Hale:
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Vote for hardliners:
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Time of the Donald, Part VI

Despite public opinion being split, the Baldwin Administration ultimately decided that, seeing as there was a side that was palatable to a majority of the American public, it wasn't worth it to toss out NATO. As a result, after the Narva Incursion, the United States officially recognized the Medvedev government as the legitimate government in Russia, and began coordinated air strikes against Oligarch and Militarist positions. Cynically, as the Militarists had the least foreign support, they received the brunt of the air strikes, while the Liberals and Oligarchs were pressured to reach a settlement, with the United States and China acting as intermediaries.

The presence of American airmen over Russia also meant that for the first time since the First Gulf War American pilots were facing an enemy capable of dogfighting. This immediately led to political trouble for the Baldwin Administration, as the moment the first reports of American pilots being shot down surfaced, the remnants of the Neocons, led by Senator Lindsay Graham, attacked the Administration's decision to shut down the F-35. Compounding issues was that the majority of MiG 35 fighters, intended to replace the MiG 31, were in Militarist hands. Ultimately the problem was that despite the F-22's stealth capabilities and superior speed, the supposed "air superiority fighter" was an abysmal dogfighter, and despite the predictions of the Defense industry that dogfighting was obsolete, the Second Russian Civil War proved that the best laid plans could all be undone by a few talented MiG pilots who manage to get the jump on Americans.

For the first six months of the intervention, American and European aid was entirely conducted via the air, save for Ukrainian and Polish intervention. That changed in May of 2027, when Operation Assisting Hand began, and 200,000 American boots on the ground joined 100,000 additional NATO forces and 400,000 Ukrainian troops. The first goal of the operation was to push up the Volga River to Volgograd, and thence to Kazan, cutting the Oligarchs and Militarists in half. The Invasion saw steady progress with the addition of 300,000 well-equipped Western troops, and extensive air support, and Astrakhan, the first city in the Volga Campaign, fell by June 10th. From there the Siege of Volgograd lasted three weeks before it fell on July 17th. Meanwhile, talks between the Oligarchs and Liberals commenced in Geneva, with the United States and China mediating.

Domestically, the war had a depolarizing effect on both parties, as opposition among Republicans was nearly as strong as among Democrats, as was support. Inflation declined throughout 2027, and unemployment began to drop from its peak of 9% to around 7% by the end of the year.

On August 17, 2027, a 7.8 earthquake along the Puente Hills fault line in Los Angeles lasted for 55 seconds. The quake caused extensive damage throughout Southern California, and surpassed Hurricane Ophelia in terms of costliest natural disaster, causing 243 billion dollars in damage and killing 13,000. Aid to the region was scattered as extensive damage to water mains hampered firefighters, and damage to freeways hamstrung aid to the city. Over the next few days, rumors of aid being unevenly distributed towards whiter, more affluent neighborhoods began to circulate, and demonstrations broke out. Mayor Jeanine Franklin responded by sending in the LAPD to break up the demonstrations, resulting in clashes between demonstrators and police. On August 21, riots broke out in some sections of the Greater Los Angeles area. Things continued until August 24, when the California National Guard was sent in to restore order. In total 21 people were killed in the rioting, and such events led to a revival of the previously-defunct Black Lives Matter movemment, which largely disbanded in 2022 after the Baldwin Administration's penal reform bill decriminalized most drugs, banned the use of private prisons at the Federal level, and eliminated mandatory minimum sentencing for nonviolent crimes.

By Fall 2027 a number of candidates had declared their intention to run in 2028. The Democratic frontrunner was Vice President Corey Booker. However, he saw a surprising challenge from California Congresswoman Justine Harrow. Ms. Harrow, from the 37th District, ran to the left of the Vice President, claiming that he wouldn't do enough for minority groups and wouldn't do anything to end systemic racism.

On the GOP side, Maine Governor Emily Taylor became the default candidate of the REC, while the anti-establishment vote coalesced around Senator Rand Paul, who decided to sit out 2024 and was running for the second time in his life. The third major GOP candidate was Colorado Governor Corey Gardner, who attained his position after losing his bid for reelection as a Senator in 2020. Governor Taylor managed a strong showing in Iowa and New Hampshire, and after his poor showing on Super Tuesday Rand Paul endorsed her. the primaries extended out until June, when California meant the end of the Governor's bid for the White House. With a narrow majority of delegates, Governor Corey Gardner became the Republican Candidate. In an attempt to win over disgruntled REC voters, the Colorado governor tapped Senator Kevin Faulconer as his running mate.

On the Democratic end Justine Harrow was a thorn in the Vice President's side for the entirety of the Primaries, refusing to drop out even when she failed to win a majority of pledged delegates and staying in until the convention, with her 741 pledged delegates and victories in only three states. To placate the left of the party, the Vice President picked New Mexico Senator Ben Ray Lujan as his running mate.

With President Baldwin's approval ratings mediocre and many people tired of her "Fresh Start," Governor Gardner was favored in this election. However, statements made by Senator Faulconer indicating a rift in the campaign over the Russian Civil War were the beginning of troubles for the Governor. Disputes over who exactly is in the drivers' seat in the campaign compounded problems. The race appeared to be a narrow one by October...

The 2028 Presidential Election was a case of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. With a President whose approval ratings languished around 43%, the opposition party should be favored. However, Governor Gardner ran an abysmal campaign, while Corey Booker ran a very good one. It was also a sign of changing times, as Wisconsin went Republican for the first time since 1984, while Mississippi and Georgia remained in Democratic hands even absent the landslide of 2024.

Booker/Lujan: 362
Gardner/Faulconer: 176


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The 2024 Senate Elections were a similarly disappointing bag for a GOP that expected an easy win. Part of what stymied them was the number of retirements, which meant a vicious fight over the direction of the party. Missouri Senator Roy Blunt was the first to announce his retirement, having been in the upper house for 18 years at the age of 78. For similar reasons Arkansas Senator John Boozman declared his retirement, facing a nasty primary challenge from REC-backed candidate Kate Thurston, formerly mayor of Hope. Johnny Isakson, at 83, was one of the oldest Senators, and he as well announced he would not be seeking another term. With four senators not seeking reelection, contentious primaries resulted. Where the REC-backed candidate won, many conservatives stayed home. Where they lost, the DNC frequently supported more moderate candidates than they might otherwise have done, leading enough moderates to vote Democratic. This was in many ways the old DLC types reasserting some level of power, reinventing themselves as latter-day Blue Dogs. The next biggest effect, of course, was the DNC embrace of a more protectionist stance on international trade, allowing southern Democrats to pick up some former Trump supporters. In a way, The Donald had a bigger effect on the Democrats than he did the GOP...

Democrats (Jeff Merkley): 54
Republicans (John Thune): 45
Libertarians (Frank Dalton): 1

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The fact that the GOP lost seats in a year where the President had 42% approval ratings was unacceptable to many. What followed was an ugly fight in which the REC attempted to unseat Senator Thune as Minority Leader. The charge was led by newly-reelected Senator Ellen Wong of Oregon. Despite getting the support of 17 senators, including all 14 Senate members of the Responsible Government Caucus, the REC challenge failed. In an attempt to reunify the party, Senator Thune offered to step down as Minority Leader, handing off the post to a compromise candidate, Senator Lisa Murkowski. The Alaska senator thus became the first female leader of a major party in the Senate.

In the House, a similar fight broke out among the GOP. The new, populist, protectionist wing of the Democrats netted them a number of seats in the South, and mitigated losses in former strongholds in the Midwest and Northeast. The failure of Minority Leader Paul Ryan to capitalize on the opportunity of the times would be the end of his tenure as Minority Leader. His replacement would be Minority Whip Patrick McHenry of North Carolina, once again a compromise candidate palatable to both sides.

Democrats (Terri Sewell): 231
Republicans (Patrick McHenry): 204

The Baldwin Administration was in many ways the high-water mark of the movement that started in Burlington in 2015 when Bernie Sanders announced his candidacy for the Presidency. A new consensus had dawned in the political arena, helped along by a GOP that remained fractured and unable to coordinate against it. The biggest takeaway from the 2028 election was that GOP party leaders, in selecting Senator Gardner as a candidate, were looking for a resume, not a candidate. In doing so, they picked Blandy McBlanderson, He of Zero Charisma, and ran an awful campaign by trying to please everyone, young and old, Tea Party holdover and REC moderate. The 21st Century was no longer new, the Middle East had been replaced by Russia in terms of geopolitical trouble spots, and, ominously to those who knew what to look for, six of the ten warmest years on record were in the 2020s, and 14 of the 15 warmest years on record were in the 21st century, with 1998 as the exception...
 

shiftygiant

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If a General Election were held on the 14th of April, 2016, according to pollers ComRes/Independent/S Mirror (O);
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Conservatives: 318 Seat (-13)
Labour: 238 (+6)
Liberal Democrats: 11 (+3)
UKIP: 3 (+2)
SNP: 57 (+1)
PlaidC: 4 (+1)


Hung Parliament with Conservatives short of Majority by 8 seats.
 
Great job! It would be a fascinating country to live in. The electoral districts look nice, but I can't really tell which one contains Amundsen-Scott Station. Or maybe that was intended, as the ultimate Gerrymander? :p
I don't know either, but it's listed as being at 0ºE, so it would probably be in Queen Maud Land (top district, light blue, 18 EV). I'll look at some panoramas and get back to you.
EDIT: It seems to be (or, at least, have been in 2008) in Ellsworth Land (to the left, pink, 1 EV). This tracks with the voting trend, but I'd imagine there'd be more population. Alternately, it could be in Marie Byrd Land (below Ellsworth, hot pink, 4 EV), which I consider more likely on the map.
What I like about this idea is the idea that, as the ice shifted, the base would change state. That amuses me for some reason, even if it's not terribly likely.
 
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I don't know either, but it's listed as being at 0ºE, so it would probably be in Queen Maud Land (top district, light blue, 18 EV). I'll look at some panoramas and get back to you.
EDIT: It seems to be (or, at least, have been in 2008) in Ellsworth Land (to the left, pink, 1 EV). This tracks with the voting trend, but I'd imagine there'd be more population. Alternately, it could be in Marie Byrd Land (below Ellsworth, hot pink, 4 EV), which I consider more likely on the map.
What I like about this idea is the idea that, as the ice shifted, the base would change state. That amuses me for some reason, even if it's not terribly likely.
I put it in Southern Victoria Land, actually, but IRL it would be Ellsworth.

Thanks for the compliments, all, but I don't think the joke would hold up over more than one installment.
 
So Free Soil are the Anarcho-Liberals and the hardliners are Reactionaries?
Actually, the Free Soil Party is liberal. The Radical Party is Anarcho-Liberal, while the hardliners are indeed Reactionaries. It says Southern Democrats, but that doesn't really work out.
 
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