speaking of that, isn't the National Capital otl Albany, NY?
(And when are you gonna use my name?)
speaking of that, isn't the National Capital otl Albany, NY?
(And when are you gonna use my name?)
Ah.
Kingston doesn't really have much room to grow though, I wonder if the city will be rather small and mostly focused on the national government rather than otl D.C.
I always figured it'd grow but become something like Newark, NJ to New York - there's a local identity there, but no one outside of the said town and NYC will recognize it.
Although there has to be a (perhaps much?) stronger local identity than OTL by default, due to an established town (no matter how small) being selected as capital than a rather empty wetland to build a city from the ground up.
I always figured it'd grow but become something like Newark, NJ to New York - there's a local identity there, but no one outside of the said town and NYC will recognize it.
Although there has to be a (perhaps much?) stronger local identity than OTL by default, due to an established town (no matter how small) being selected as capital than a rather empty wetland to build a city from the ground up.
I suppose that applies to a local identity, but I was really talking about land.
Kingston otl has used up most of the land of its location (from google maps), so The city's growth factor ttl is kinda limited. I wonder what the government ttl has done about it.
Glen
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Soon, grasshopper, soon - Kirby Montrey will make an appearance...
Quite right, Simeon - you get a cookie.
I always figured it'd grow but become something like Newark, NJ to New York - there's a local identity there, but no one outside of the said town and NYC will recognize it.
Although there has to be a (perhaps much?) stronger local identity than OTL by default, due to an established town (no matter how small) being selected as capital than a rather empty wetland to build a city from the ground up.
You all make interesting points but are a bit off.
TTL's District of Columbia is the same size as OTL's, just centered on the Hudson rather than the Potomac. True, it isn't a swamp - but the town was razed to the ground by the British in the ARW, so it is basically a blank slate, and will be built along very similar lines initially to Washington DC OTL (but along the Hudson).
Kingston is 100 miles upriver from NYC - which is well over double what OTL Washington DC is from OTL Baltimore - as they remained distinct entities IOTL, I think that they will be able to do so ITTL for NYC and DC - indeed, Albany is more at risk of losing its identity to DC than DC is to NYC. Expect that Washington will devour local townships, much as it did Georgetown and others IOTL.
Glen
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How could we have a reference to Meadow without Lord Roem - he shall appear, never fear - any thoughts on how he might appear?
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One place in Europe where early on a traditional war-front developed was between British ally Portugal and Spain, which had joined the Malthusian cause. The British (and the officially neutral Americans and her allies, Morocco) kept the Portuguese well supplied, and British Imperial forces flowed into Portugal in preparation for the Invasion of Spain and relief of Gibraltar.
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On the Indian Front in the first several months of the Population War, the staring contest that had existed since Sultan had declared the UNI became a ferociously fought siege, especially in Bombay. However, the British were able to reinforce by sea and even with the large manpower the UNI Army was willing to send, they simply didn't have the firepower to dislodge the British forces nor stop their resupply. On the other hand, the British had no opportunity at that point to break out of their strongpoints on the coast. Again the first year of the Population War seemed mired in a stalemate.
Damn, that is a grim photograph included with the update.
Also, in case I haven't said so before, I really like the thematic escalation of the naming for the major wars of this timeline: Liberal War - Global War - Population War. Thank God no one has yet developed nuclear weapons...
Also, in case I haven't said so before, I really like the thematic escalation of the naming for the major wars of this timeline: Liberal War - Global War - Population War. Thank God no one has yet developed nuclear weapons...
Glen
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Indeed.
Ah, I am glad you like it - so much more realistic than some amateurish numbering of wars; I mean really, World War I, World War II, it's like a bad sequel...
Indeed...
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The younger generation of Mexican leaders had grown up immersed in the stories of their fathers' fight against the Korsgaardian Mexican Empire, and as a result most of the Mexican leadership had rejected conservativism embracing more liberal values. However, the population boom, especially in the States around the capitol of Mexico City, gave birth to a strong Malthusian movement in Mexico. By the 1930s, the government had gone over to the Malthusian Cause, and declared war against the British Empire in August 1934 along with many other Malthusian nations.
What the young generation had miscalculated was the reaction of their fathers, men who had lived in exile or underground until, aided by the Southrons of the Dominion, had retaken their nation from the Korsgaardist scourge. These men of honor remembered the ties of blood and honor with the British Empire, and many led once more resistance of injustice. Known in Spanish as Los Padres de la Libertad (The Fathers of Liberty) by their supporters, or derisively as Las Abuelitas Viejas (The Little Old Grandmothers) by their enemies, these veterans of the Global War were strongest in the northern States of Mexico which declared their refusal of Mexico City's call to war.
Los Padres de la Libertad
In the South of Mexico, the Moskitos, long time allies of the British, fed up with the wars of Mexico, declared their independence from the Malthusian Government and seized the transoceanic canal in their region which was quickly reinforced by the Dominion.
What the young generation had miscalculated was the reaction of their fathers, men who had lived in exile or underground until, aided by the Southrons of the Dominion, had retaken their nation from the Korsgaardist scourge. These men of honor remembered the ties of blood and honor with the British Empire, and many led once more resistance of injustice. Known in Spanish as Los Padres de la Libertad (The Fathers of Liberty) by their supporters, or derisively as Las Abuelitas Viejas (The Little Old Grandmothers) by their enemies, these veterans of the Global War were strongest in the northern States of Mexico which declared their refusal of Mexico City's call to war.
Los Padres de la Libertad
In the South of Mexico, the Moskitos, long time allies of the British, fed up with the wars of Mexico, declared their independence from the Malthusian Government and seized the transoceanic canal in their region which was quickly reinforced by the Dominion.
Seems like provincialism is on the rise in Mexico. Reminds me a lot of the Boxer Rebellion, when the southern and eastern governors defied Beijing's declaration of war on the foreign powers and instead ordered their forces to protect them.
The northerners, I think they are more or less content with status quo ante bellum. They are more of pro-tradlib than Malthusians. But of course, recognizing the provinces wherein those heroes (as we say) came from is given as, paradoxically, they are the most loyal of tradlib Mexico.
Except if Glen says otherwise.
The Miskitos, on the other hand...
Glen
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A very good analogy - here in the north they have on their border a strong ally against the Malthusians, but on the south there is the Malthusian Government's ally, Gran Columbia.
Glen
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Very much more - they don't have the same population issues as further south, and they have been heavily influenced by over a century of cross-border trade with the Southrons - the ones who would have dreamed of the glory of invasion were Korsgaardians and pretty effectively purged from leadership positions throughout the United States of Mexico.
You kinda lost me here...not sure what you're thinking. Can you clarify?
Yes, what about them?
You kinda lost me here...not sure what you're thinking. Can you clarify?
Yes, what about them?
1. Preserver of Mexico's status quo, defender of traditional liberalism? They always come from the north.
They adhere to tradlib Mexico, the victor at the end. They are forever vindicated as heroes, the most loyal to the state (liberalism).
2. Yes, autonomy or independence, you pick.
AND ARE YOU ACTUALLY EXPANDING THE DOMINION AGAIN?
Glen
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Okay cool!
2. Yes, autonomy or independence, you pick.
AND ARE YOU ACTUALLY EXPANDING THE DOMINION AGAIN?
Time will tell...