Well, I might give it a go. You need to show me how they look like first.
Alternate Weapons of War thread...
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Well, I might give it a go. You need to show me how they look like first.
[FONT="]USS Monadnock[/FONT][FONT="] of the coast of Oregon 1865[/FONT]
Rather space-is-an-ocean:y, I take it artificial gravity is simple and FTL is relatively unconstrained.
Thomas27
Banned
Not so miraculous weapons
Here are some illustrations of some "not so miraculous" weapon from my book "Au Bord de l'Abime".
1st: The Ise class battleship are converted to antiaircraft battelship:
2nd the Nachtpanther.
A variant of the fmous panther tank with a longer canon, night vision equipement, better radio and engine.
3rd, little variant of Me-262 in use in the [FONT="]JV 44.
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Here are some illustrations of some "not so miraculous" weapon from my book "Au Bord de l'Abime".
1st: The Ise class battleship are converted to antiaircraft battelship:
2nd the Nachtpanther.
A variant of the fmous panther tank with a longer canon, night vision equipement, better radio and engine.
3rd, little variant of Me-262 in use in the [FONT="]JV 44.
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During the initial stages of the escort war there was a scramble by Infrastructure to put as many new warships into service as possible. This largely meant building ships of already existing classes which had proven effective such as the Hunter and Ironsides class, with the most notable exception of the Avatar. Even so, while it was placed as a lower priority research and development projects continued in conjunction with other projects as the navy approached the limits of what Infrastructure could viably support some new plans were laid down. The first of which to reach completion was the advanced prototype warship Destroyer.
Sixty one meters from Stem to Stern and narrow hulled, the Destroyer is a sleek craft intended for speed. She is notable for being the first oil fired warship in service to the Infrastructural Navy who's four boilers power two steam turbine engines providing a total of 10,000kw of power, which in turn propels her at speeds of up to 48km/h. Despite this the Destroyer is outfitted with 20cm of armor for it's belt and conning tower and weighs in at 1120 tonnes. Her armament is similarly up to day and includes a payload of twelve Shchukas with four launchers (One forward, three broadside on a pivoted launcher amidship) as well as five second generation naval guns (two 10cm and three 7.5cm). These cannons are designed to take a larger shell and fire cartridged projectiles and an improved recoil management system, thus improving rate of fire and range. She has a crew of 102 personnel.
The Destroyer was launched two months after the battle of Daagsgrad to begin a three month long shakedown in the Icemountain sea. The intended function of the Destroyer is as an escort and a commerce raider. Ultimately it is hoped that the Destroyer class will ultimately replace the Ironsides class ironclad, though production is somewhat limited by the availability of petroleum to fuel her boilers. The Committee has plans for additional uses of this ship class in addition to ship to ship warfare.
May have to steal that concept for my TL..... Have done it with some older BB's but not more front-line unitsNot so miraculous weapons
Here are some illustrations of some "not so miraculous" weapon from my book "Au Bord de l'Abime".
1st: The Ise class battleship are converted to antiaircraft battelship:
Doesn't look any different from the OTL version. What are the modifications please?3rd, little variant of Me-262 in use in the [FONT="]JV 44.
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Thomas27
Banned
It's based on the ME-262 A-1a/U5. The difference are really small:May have to steal that concept for my TL..... Have done it with some older BB's but not more front-line units
Doesn't look any different from the OTL version. What are the modifications please?
-6 x MK 108 30mm canons
-24 R4/M AA rockets
kk Can see them now!
Tell you what, you are really good at drawing. I can't draw for sh1t. So jealous! lol
Thomas27
Banned
Ahah thank you. If you are not good at drawing you're certainly good at something else don't worry ;D
Read my TL do you?
I need to do some proper drawings for that too! lol I have my grandiouse plans, but they are just that - Plans! haha
RamscoopRaider
Donor
Couple comments. 10,000kw is not enough, need 20-25% more power to reach that kind of speed, minimum, possibly 30%. Also need fairly advanced engines to fit your specs on the displacement you want, which seems to contradict the first gen oil burner
Also ships normally do not go directly from launch to trials, let alone shakedown, normally at launch only the hull is finished, and the superstructure, machinery, equipment and fittings are done after launch
FMannerly
Banned
Reposting this here because it fits here:
The Florida has one of the more interesting histories of a Federation warship, as well as the longest of any currently actively serving Battleship.
It was first commissioned by the New Granadan Navy, as part of a general expansion and modernization of the fleet, as part of the South American Arms race. It ended up being seized at the start of the Antillean War, because Tejas had entered the war on the side of the Netherlands, precipitating wider Columbian involvement. The Libertad was seized about two weeks before the Federation declared war on New Granada, (and was done so because the Belligerency Act prevents sales of arms to governments in an armed conflict with a member of the Federation.) Upon commissioning as FNS Atropos, it joined the Federation Navy, and was assigned to the Gulf Fleet.
During the war, Atropos, she served with distinction in Battleship Division Six (Federal) alongside the 12” armed battleships of the Dictator-class along with the Clotho and Lachesis (both also seized under the Belligerency Act.) The five ships were quite active through the war, engaging in convoy escorting and gunfire support in the Guajira and Maracaibo campaign, and were retained when the rest of the 12” Battleships were retired in the 20s.
Eventually though, the time came for the ships of BatDiv Six to be replaced, in the late 30s to 1940, as their replacements (the Atalanta-class Battlecruisers, replacing them three for five) came online. All five of the ships were to be sent to the breakers, with Atropos only getting a reprieve when she was won in a 1941 card game by then Florida governor Justin Jacob Jai II, wherein she was bet based on her scrap value. The state had been looking at a way to get a new ship and Atropos was going to be it, after all, parts were plentiful, and the lack of compartmentalization that had made her a headache before made updating the systems relatively cost-effective.
Atropos underwent a year of refitting to make her effective in the role planned for her. Her original 12”/45 guns were replaced by 12”/50s, which were capable of remote power control and higher elevations (her original guns then being used in federally-funded coastal artillery batteries,) Most of her original 5” guns were removed, to be replaced by new, dual purpose guns in a quartet of turrets. She gained new rangefinders, both optical and radar, and a comprehensive air conditioning system that dramatically improved crew performance in her new climate. With that dramatic refit (retroactively known as Jai I) complete, she entered service on the 27th of September 1942 as SFS Florida.
Since her entrance into Floridian service, Florida has been the state’s flagship, and undergone a number of refits to keep her relatively useful, always being just cheap enough to keep in service compared to building a whole new vessel.
At present, there are no plans to retire the Florida, although it is being considered, given her age and historical value. If she were to be replaced, it would likely be with a pair of guided missile frigates, or a new Monitor, using one of her two turrets that are currently in storage. It would also leave the Ottoman Navy’s Barbaros Hayreddin (commissioned in 1928) as the oldest actively serving battleship.
The Florida has one of the more interesting histories of a Federation warship, as well as the longest of any currently actively serving Battleship.
It was first commissioned by the New Granadan Navy, as part of a general expansion and modernization of the fleet, as part of the South American Arms race. It ended up being seized at the start of the Antillean War, because Tejas had entered the war on the side of the Netherlands, precipitating wider Columbian involvement. The Libertad was seized about two weeks before the Federation declared war on New Granada, (and was done so because the Belligerency Act prevents sales of arms to governments in an armed conflict with a member of the Federation.) Upon commissioning as FNS Atropos, it joined the Federation Navy, and was assigned to the Gulf Fleet.
During the war, Atropos, she served with distinction in Battleship Division Six (Federal) alongside the 12” armed battleships of the Dictator-class along with the Clotho and Lachesis (both also seized under the Belligerency Act.) The five ships were quite active through the war, engaging in convoy escorting and gunfire support in the Guajira and Maracaibo campaign, and were retained when the rest of the 12” Battleships were retired in the 20s.
Eventually though, the time came for the ships of BatDiv Six to be replaced, in the late 30s to 1940, as their replacements (the Atalanta-class Battlecruisers, replacing them three for five) came online. All five of the ships were to be sent to the breakers, with Atropos only getting a reprieve when she was won in a 1941 card game by then Florida governor Justin Jacob Jai II, wherein she was bet based on her scrap value. The state had been looking at a way to get a new ship and Atropos was going to be it, after all, parts were plentiful, and the lack of compartmentalization that had made her a headache before made updating the systems relatively cost-effective.
Atropos underwent a year of refitting to make her effective in the role planned for her. Her original 12”/45 guns were replaced by 12”/50s, which were capable of remote power control and higher elevations (her original guns then being used in federally-funded coastal artillery batteries,) Most of her original 5” guns were removed, to be replaced by new, dual purpose guns in a quartet of turrets. She gained new rangefinders, both optical and radar, and a comprehensive air conditioning system that dramatically improved crew performance in her new climate. With that dramatic refit (retroactively known as Jai I) complete, she entered service on the 27th of September 1942 as SFS Florida.
Since her entrance into Floridian service, Florida has been the state’s flagship, and undergone a number of refits to keep her relatively useful, always being just cheap enough to keep in service compared to building a whole new vessel.
- Her amidships turrets (Martes and Miércoles) were removed in the Cooley II (1944) refit program to arm a pair of monitors (SFS Homosassa and SFS Pergamum,) and were replaced by at first a heavier Anti-aircraft armament on deck, and improved fire-control facilities underneath.
- The Anti-aircraft armament replacing the Martes and Miércoles turrets was replaced in Andrews III (1972) with a pair of surface to air missile box launchers (named the Martes launchers, per tradition) and Anti-ship missile box launchers (similarly named the Miércoles launchers.) Anti-submarine torpedo tubes were added at the same time.
- Jai IV (1984) added in a modern fire-control radar and computer (compatible with the 12” base-bleed shells that had been recently purchased,) as well as improved intra-ship networking and communications.
- The latest major refit, Cooley V (1989) removed the 5”/35 Dual Purpose guns and replaced them with a modern, comprehensive CIWS system, and a modern pair of air-search radars to provide them, and the Martes launchers with information.
At present, there are no plans to retire the Florida, although it is being considered, given her age and historical value. If she were to be replaced, it would likely be with a pair of guided missile frigates, or a new Monitor, using one of her two turrets that are currently in storage. It would also leave the Ottoman Navy’s Barbaros Hayreddin (commissioned in 1928) as the oldest actively serving battleship.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...es-against-england-one-last-time-v-iv.228541/
Please be aware that the forum migration mucked up the formatting, so I am currently re-editing it all and making a few tweaks.