Proposals and War Aims That Didn't Happen Map Thread

[Chris S]

And now a map of what Napoleon was prepared to give up in order to keep his alliance with the Tsar:

 

[Clandango]

Quite nice. But why would Napoleon give up being King of Italy in order to unify it with Naples and Sicily? Or did he simply annex those to Italy so he would be the king of that area as well? And what are your sources for the Austrians in Saxony? Not a criticism, just wondering on your sources as it seems very interesting.

EDIT: I see from the last page it is that Napoleon becomes King of Italy for the southern portions as well. Still, odd he would do that instead of keeping his sister and others around. Perhaps he got bored with his old in-laws, their intense loyalty be damned.

 

[Chris S]

Quite nice. But why would Napoleon give up being King of Italy in order to unify it with Naples and Sicily? Or did he simply annex those to Italy so he would be the king of that area as well?

I believe it was the latter.

And what are your sources for the Austrians in Saxony? Not a criticism, just wondering on your sources as it seems very interesting.

I didn't take it negatively. It isn't my source. This is a map I did in 2011 based off another map that I think Romul had posted around that time showing the French invasion of Russia and attempts or plans to set up a Lithuanian puppet state. The only changes I made to the map were in Portugal, Spain, Italy and Finland.

EDIT: I see from the last page it is that Napoleon becomes King of Italy for the southern portions as well. Still, odd he would do that instead of keeping his sister and others around. Perhaps he got bored with his old in-laws, their intense loyalty be damned.

Yes, who knows?

 

[shiftygiant]

I guess the map legend is self-explaining[/COLOR]

I did my best to make a patch; the left is Serbian and Greek Aims, the Right Bulgarian and Romanian.

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[22iron thunder]

German propaganda map dropped on American's in the Trenches. Obviously fear mongering that's trying to tell Americans that they'll end up a colony, didn't really pay off, but kinda funny given Man in the High Castle. Worlda patch:


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I wonder, whats the area of the american reservation? could you physically fit the entire US population in ~1945 in it?

 

[shiftygiant]

A proposed map of a redrawing of borders of Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware after the Civil War by Secretary of War Simon Cameron, 1861.

Worlda and QBam patch:

 

[shiftygiant]

I wonder, whats the area of the american reservation? could you physically fit the entire US population in ~1945 in it?

It's a third of the Trans-Pecos region, so at a rough estimate, about 25,529 km2. Population is 139,928,165, so we're looking at 5481 per km2. In the Trans Pecos region. Which is desert.

 

[Iserlohn]

This deserves the worlda treatment:

 

[Clandango]

This deserves the worlda treatment:

And yet it is still a Texas wank. Much like real life.

Worlda and QBam patch:

Just needs DC added and then it would be perfect.

 

[Faeelin]

And now a map of what Napoleon was prepared to give up in order to keep his alliance with the Tsar:

... What did he give up?

 

[Clandango]

... What did he give up?

The Grand Duchy of Warsaw, it would seem. Though I imagine the Czar would want his earlier treaties to be honed, meaning Napoleon gave his German relatives back their land. After all, the Russians left the Danubian Principalities and gave the French the Ionions on their side of the bargain. Of course, the Russians also had the booty of their portion of Poland to begin with. Also, didn't the Czar have some alliance requiring French aid against Turkey? Might be. Good map if someone can find the details.

 

[22iron thunder]

This deserves the worlda treatment:

Id like to if no ones already.

 

[B_Munro]

That's not really a proposal or war aim: IIRC, that map's a historian's idea of what a "less manifest destiny" US might look like.

Pretty neat, I will admit.

 

[22iron thunder]

Yeah but i suppose you could argue for like i dunno like mexico retaking lost territory or something?
Map:

 

[Iserlohn]

So I've stumbled across this on Tumblr...

 

[Anekcahdep]

I made a map of the Hoare Laval Pact, which in OTL came somewhat close to happening (Mussolini approved of it) but never came about.

 

[Chris S]

Here's my first map attempt. You can see it in the alternate Congress of Vienna thread too.
Red-Serbia and Montenegro (new state, Russian client)
Orange-Ottaman Empire
Purple-Russia (gained Moldavia)
Green-Poland
Brown-Austria (gained Venice and part of Bavaria)
Light Brown-Bosnia (autonomous region of Austria)
Pink-Westphalia (new state, successor to Rhine Confederation)
Blue-Baden-Wurttemburg (gained part of Bavaria)
Yellow-Thuringia(new state)
Grey-Prussia (Gains territory in central Germany, including northern Saxony)
Light Green-Saxony (Moves south, gains from Bavaria but losses to Prussia)

Is this an actual OTL proposal or something you came up with? If the latter it isn't what this thread is for.....

 

[Don Quijote]

Its from the pre-1900 thread on an Alternate Congress of Vienna. Where should it be?

 

[Beedok]

Its from the pre-1900 thread on an Alternate Congress of Vienna. Where should it be?

The map thread. This is for proposals made by diplomats and such from OTL that weren't approved.

 

[Blomma]

Proposal to weaken France after the revolutions:

Proposed enlargement of Belgium after WWI: