Dominion of Southern America - Updated July 1, 2018

I sorta wanna know what's going on in the South American nations, especially the United Provinces of South America (did I get that name right?).
 
The New England states and Delaware REALLY look tiny compared to most of those western states. Hmmmm.... A population cartogram of the. USA (and DSA) would be awesome.
 
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So what exactly are the borders of the new state of Alaska? I'm looking at this map, the last world map to have subdivisions, and, well

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There are two territories in OTL Alaska. I'm confused.
 
So what exactly are the borders of the new state of Alaska? I'm looking at this map, the last world map to have subdivisions, and, well



There are two territories in OTL Alaska. I'm confused.

I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.

This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it. :))
 

Glen

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I sorta wanna know what's going on in the South American nations, especially the United Provinces of South America (did I get that name right?).

They are indeed worth knowing about and you did get the UPSA correct.
 

Glen

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Retcon - made an error on the state name.

The 43rd and 44th states of the union were added in the year 1932. The borders of 43rd state were the 54th parallel on the south, the Pacific on the West, the Continental Divide to the East. The top portion of the state was formed by the Continental Divide where it hit the 140th Meridian, the border of the Alaska Territory. The 43rd state was named Tlingit after the fierce tribe that had held the land so long.

The 44th state was another heavily Metis and Native populated northern state of the Great Plains. The state reverted back to a classic naming convention when it chose as its namesake the major river flowing through its heart. The Cree called it the kisiskāciwani-sīpiy or swift flowing river. This worked its way into English over the centuries as Kisskachewan. It too used the 54th parallel as its northern border like Winnipeg, and shared with Winnipeg the 102nd meridian as a eastern border. It's western border was the continental divide and its southern was also a watershed.

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So what exactly are the borders of the new state of Alaska? I'm looking at this map, the last world map to have subdivisions, and, well



There are two territories in OTL Alaska. I'm confused.

I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.

This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it. :))

It seems the state in the OTL Alaska panhandle is now named Tlingit. :)
 

Glen

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So what exactly are the borders of the new state of Alaska? I'm looking at this map, the last world map to have subdivisions, and, well

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There are two territories in OTL Alaska. I'm confused.

I believe, from what I could tell, that the map that went along with the Alaska state hood update indicated it was the southern most portion, e.g. the division on the map you have that contains the OTL Alaska panhandle.

This will make it interesting to see what the remaining portion of OTL Alaska is named. (If it's been mentioned and I missed it, feel free to mention it. :))

It seems the state in the OTL Alaska panhandle is now named Tlingit. :)

Sorry for the confusion, everyone - I zoned a bit on posting that state update. That state containing the OTL Alaska panhandle would never be named Alaska for the simple reason that ITTL the Russians never were able to penetrate that far, and thus there would have been no association with that name. Alaska will eventually be a state that has is basically a peninsula cut off at the 140th meridian.
 
Sorry for the confusion, everyone - I zoned a bit on posting that state update. That state containing the OTL Alaska panhandle would never be named Alaska for the simple reason that ITTL the Russians never were able to penetrate that far, and thus there would have been no association with that name. Alaska will eventually be a state that has is basically a peninsula cut off at the 140th meridian.
No problem. :)

Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.
 
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Glen

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No problem. :)

Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD. Aside from

That is true.
 
No problem. :)

Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.

I dunno, Niobara/*Nebraska and Washington/*Kansas are pretty close. Who would have thought those two would slip into this world relatively intact?
 

Glen

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I dunno, Niobara/*Nebraska and Washington/*Kansas are pretty close. Who would have thought those two would slip into this world relatively intact?

Well, it makes sense based off the geographics and the history of state creation.
 
No problem. :)

Interesting update on the states. It seems what is left of the Alaska territory will have on of the closest shapes of the western states to it's OTL counterpart of all the states added since the POD.
Ohio, Wabash/Indiana, Illinois, and Missouri are all also very close.
 

Glen

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The territories that would become the 44th state of the union, Kisskachewan, had long been a reserve for the tribes who had inhabited them for centuries as well as die-hard tribesmen who were brought up from the southern United States.

However, the Northern Great Plains were perhaps always destined for a different history.

The story of how Kisskachewan would become a state starts in some ways with the well meaning missionary groups, the most prominent being the Catholics and the various Deist denominations. Among the good works these missionaries provided to the tribes in situ and those migrating from the south was vaccination against the scourge of smallpox. Even among the die-hards of the southern tribes, there were varying levels of resistance of "white mans' ways" with the more moderate among them (often family who felt obligated to travel with their more extremist loved ones) accepting the medical assistance of the missionaries.

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While the Legion of America, charged with escorting the recalcitrant tribesmen north, had early on required vaccination of the Legionnaires, smallpox still managed to find its way amongst the tribes of the north, disproportionately decimating die-hard natives while leaving the inoculated relatively unscathed. There was also attrition from internecine warfare between rival bands of lodges.

Even though they did not join the initial wave of transports, many native relatives of tribesmembers in the north who had assimilated voluntarily with American society, either still in the lands of their birth or in Gitchigumee and later Winnipeg, would around the turn of the century begin to join their relatives on the Great Northern Plains, bringing more conventional ranching and farming with them. As relatives they were not barred from going into the native territories. They brought with them affluence and more connections to the United States. Many were Francophones or Bilinguals (or even Trilinguals for those who retained the tongue of their ancestors). It was these Metis who often would lobby Congress to allow more liberal entry into territories.

All this paved the way for the development of pro-American factions in the Territories who would succeed in bringing Kisskachewan into the Union.
 

Glen

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The Thuggie Suppression Act was the first piece of federal legislation to bar immigration for a whole race. Granted, the threat of Thuggie violence was sensationalized in the papers, by broadcast telephony, and kinee, and thus some welcomed this bold move to defend America from the threat. Perhaps Congress could be forgiven for believing the legislation would be welcomed throughout the land, but in some quarters there was a violent backlash against the breadth and depth of the law. Several Democrats opposed it on grounds that it was a violation of liberty and an overextension of Federal power. Powerful industrialist interests in the Federalist camp opposed the law because it cut into a potential pool of cheap labor, as many Hindoos had started migrating north to look for work in the mighty factories of America (perhaps hoping for a better reception then they had in the South, but often disappointed in this). Several court cases were filed almost immediately challenging the law. At first it was only the passionate (and perhaps the greedy) who rose in opposition, until one man made an impassioned plea to the nation.

Shush Raja had emigrated with his parents from the Dominion of Southern America as a child, a relative rarity at the time, and had grown up in Richmond, Virginia. He was the first Hindoo to graduate from the law school at the University of Virginia. Raja worked representing Hindoo immigrants in New York City against exploitation in the garment district when the Thuggie Suppression Act was passed. While he worked as a junior member on one of the pro bono teams suing in Federal District Court, he became frustrated with both the amount of bureaucracy that was a drag on the progress of the legal challenge, as well as the lack of general public outcry against the over-reaching legislation.

Raja organized marches throughout the cities of the United States to raise awareness of the unfair Thuggie Suppression Act. While that attracted some attention, it would take more to break through the fear and misunderstanding that faced the Hindoo community. The charismatic Raja took to broadcasting and kinee news reports to make impassioned speeches appealing to the best principles of America. Finally, he engaged in a hunger strike in front of the US Supreme Court, and this garnered true national attention. While the Court never admitted this, in short order the highest court in the land would hear the case against the Thuggie Suppression Act in 1935. The court could choose to uphold the law, strike it down in its entirety, or only certain sections. The Supremes chose to split the difference and strike down the immigration bar while still upholding the stiff penalties against Thuggieism. Even though it wasn't the legal team that Shush Raja belonged to who won the legal victory, most commentators credited the moral victory to Raja.

After this momentous moment in jurisprudence in America, Raja sojourned to the Dominion of Southern America to raise awareness of Hindoo prejudice in the land of his birth. It was here that, amazingly, another dramatic event was added to his story. While leading a march in the Dominion Capitol, Baton Rouge, a Thuggie assassin launched a lethal attack at the Hindoo Rights advocate. Raja's life and those of several of his followers was saved by the heroic sacrifice of Baton Rouge native Andrew Jackson Beauregard, who threw himself on assassin, felling him, but at the cost of his own life. Beauregard came from an old Planter family and many saw his sacrifice as a symbol for the whole nation.
 
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