World Electoral College - A Collaborative Project
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Sorry if you do mean something totally different and I have totally misunderstood this project? Is it about building up the World United States Government?
First, we have to split up some states. Or do you really want to leave China with 2 senators and approx. 1900 electoral votes?
China should be split up into the 33(?) provinces. One can also make a case for splitting Guangdong, Guangxi, Henan, et al. into more states, as Guangdong alone would have approx. 160 EV!
As should India. One should make a case, a very good one, for splitting Uttar Pradesh (it has nearly six times as many people as California, and thus ca. 300 EV!), Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, et al. into several states, too...
Brazil can just be split into the provinces (although one State would have about 40 million inhabitants)
To Indonesia, the same applies: Provinces are your friend.
For Russia splitting proposals, I recommend this map game. Of course, there, the countries are independent and many a time, they are red, but those are good divisions for Russia, although some are debatable.
How you split up Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria is up to the local experts, but they must be split up anyway!
Even several European states should be split up according to the California Rule:
Germany:
I would propose South Germany (Baden-Württemberg+Bavaria+Hessen+ Rheinland-Pfalz) and North Germany, and North Rhine Westphalia. Even the 16 Länder on their own would be viable states (the smallest one, Bremen, would have more people than Wyoming!)
Turkey must be split into Thrace (with Istanbul), West Turkey, East Turkey, and Kurdistan.
Spain: Catalonia, the Basque state, and Galicia can be split off. Madeira and the Canaries can also go separate if you want more senators and more states to fiddle with...
Italy: Possible states are: Lombardy, Venice (=Trentino+Veneto+Friuli), Piedmont-Liguria (=Piedmont+Aosta+Liguria), Greater Tuscany (=Umbria+Marks+Emiglia-Romana+Tuscany), Lazio (=Lazio+Abbruzzes+Molise), Sicily, Sardinia, and Mezzogiorno (=the rest of South Italy).
Conservative would be Padania, South Italy, Sicily and Sardinia.
Other countries of Europe:
Then I would propose England+Scotland+Northern Ireland. Plus Wales if you want. Of course, Greater London or South England could still be split off...
Also, North and South France (like the Reverse Cold War), or N+S France plus Ile-de-France (a state with as many people as Florida!)...
Poland can be just about left whole if you accept a state a bit over the California Boundary.
Austria (gets South Tyrol added!), Czechia, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece,... can be left alone as they are average US states.
The same applies to the Nordic and Baltic states. However, Finland should get Karelia added, and the Kola Peninsula.
First, we have to split up some states. Or do you really want to leave China with 2 senators and approx. 1900 electoral votes?
China should be split up into the 33(?) provinces. One can also make a case for splitting Guangdong, Guangxi, Henan, et al. into more states, as Guangdong alone would have approx. 160 EV!
As should India. One should make a case, a very good one, for splitting Uttar Pradesh (it has nearly six times as many people as California, and thus ca. 300 EV!), Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, et al. into several states, too...
Brazil can just be split into the provinces (although one State would have about 40 million inhabitants)
To Indonesia, the same applies: Provinces are your friend.
For Russia splitting proposals, I recommend this map game. Of course, there, the countries are independent and many a time, they are red, but those are good divisions for Russia, although some are debatable.
How you split up Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nigeria is up to the local experts, but they must be split up anyway!
Even several European states should be split up according to the California Rule:
Germany:
I would propose South Germany (Baden-Württemberg+Bavaria+Hessen+ Rheinland-Pfalz) and North Germany, and North Rhine Westphalia. Even the 16 Länder on their own would be viable states (the smallest one, Bremen, would have more people than Wyoming!)
Turkey must be split into Thrace (with Istanbul), West Turkey, East Turkey, and Kurdistan.
Spain: Catalonia, the Basque state, and Galicia can be split off. Madeira and the Canaries can also go separate if you want more senators and more states to fiddle with...
Italy: Possible states are: Lombardy, Venice (=Trentino+Veneto+Friuli), Piedmont-Liguria (=Piedmont+Aosta+Liguria), Greater Tuscany (=Umbria+Marks+Emiglia-Romana+Tuscany), Lazio (=Lazio+Abbruzzes+Molise), Sicily, Sardinia, and Mezzogiorno (=the rest of South Italy).
Conservative would be Padania, South Italy, Sicily and Sardinia.
Other countries of Europe:
Then I would propose England+Scotland+Northern Ireland. Plus Wales if you want. Of course, Greater London or South England could still be split off...
Also, North and South France (like the Reverse Cold War), or N+S France plus Ile-de-France (a state with as many people as Florida!)...
Poland can be just about left whole if you accept a state a bit over the California Boundary.
Austria (gets South Tyrol added!), Czechia, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece,... can be left alone as they are average US states.
The same applies to the Nordic and Baltic states. However, Finland should get Karelia added, and the Kola Peninsula.
Alex Richards
Donor
Or one could have the cut off at 5 million and any county below that is 3 EV. China thus has a much more manageable 27 EV, and the UK gets 12. 118 countries would be above the minimum value here.
At 2.5 million China is 54 EV and 141 are above that minimum usually.
At 2.5 million China is 54 EV and 141 are above that minimum usually.
Doubtful system, and we would want an US-like college I think...
Alex Richards
Donor
For the purposes of this scenario, yes (though it's an appalling system otherwise), but there's no sane reason to have the US lower population limit for the whole planet because, as pointed out above, that just gives stupidly large numbers. Hell, even a 1 million cut off point before you just give 3 EVs to the ones less than that is more practical- you've covered 156 of the current 196 UN members and associate members and China's only at 137 EVs. After all, it's not as if the US Electoral College actually lines up with population properly anyway.
Sabot Cat
Banned
Let's see, assuming a ceiling of 435 members for the World House of Representatives, there would be one per 16,440,919 people, which work out like this:
1. 83, China
2. 76, India
3. 31, EU
4. 19, USA
5. 15, Indonesia
6. 12, Pakistan
7. 9, Russia
8. 8, Japan
9. 7, Mexico
10. 6, Philippines
11. 5, Vietnam
12. 5, Ethiopia
13. 5, Egypt
14. 5, Iran
15. 5, Turkey
16. 4, D.R. of the Congo
17. 4, Thailand
18. 3, Burma
19. 3, South Africa
20. 3, South Korea
21. 3, Colombia
22. 3, Ukraine
23. 3, Tanzania
24. 3, Kenya
25. 2, Argentina
26. 2, Algeria
27. 2, Poland
28. 2, Sudan
29. 2, Uganda
30. 2, Canada
31. 2, Iraq
32. 2, Morocco
33. 2, Peru
34. 2, Uzbekistan
35. 2, Malaysia
36. 2, Saudi Arabia
37. 2, Venezuela
38. 2, Nepal
39. 2, Afghanistan
40. 2, Yemen
41. 2, North Korea
42. 2, Ghana
[356 Representatives]
43. Mozambique
44. Australia
45. Ivory Coast
46. Syria
47. Madagascar
48. Angola
49. Cameroon
50. Sri Lanka
51. Burkina Faso
52. Kazakhstan
53. Niger
54. Malawi
55. Chile
56. Guatemala
57. Ecuador
58. Mali
59. Cambodia
60. Zambia
61. Senegal
62. Zimbabwe
63. Chad
64. South Sudan
65. Cuba
66. Tunisia
67. Guinea
68. Rwanda
69. Somalia
70. Haiti
71. Benin
72. Bolivia
73. Azerbaijan
74. Belarus
75. Dominican Republic
76. Burundi
77. Honduras
78. U.A.E.
79. Tajikistan
80. Israel
81. Switzerland
82. Papua New Guinea
83. Serbia
84. Paraguay
85. Laos
86. Jordan
87. El Salvador
88. Eritrea
89. Libya
90. Togo
91. Sierra Leone
92. Nicaragua
93. Kyrgyzstan
94. Slovakia
95. Singapore
96. Turkmenistan
97. Norway
98. Lebanon
99. Costa Rica
100. Central African Republic
101. New Zealand
102. Georgia
103. Republic of the Congo
104. Liberia
105. Oman
106. Bosnia and Herzegovina
107. Mauritania
108. Panama
109. Uruguay
110. Kuwait
111. Armenia
112. Mongolia
113. Albania
114. Jamacia
115. Nambia
116. Lesotho
117. Macedonia
118. Slovenia
119. Qatar
120. Bostwana
121. Gambia
The Senate would also have 242 members, two for every voting member. The World Electoral College total would thus be 677 and it would require 339 votes to win a world Presidential election. Who would win?
1. 83, China
2. 76, India
3. 31, EU
4. 19, USA
5. 15, Indonesia
6. 12, Pakistan
7. 9, Russia
8. 8, Japan
9. 7, Mexico
10. 6, Philippines
11. 5, Vietnam
12. 5, Ethiopia
13. 5, Egypt
14. 5, Iran
15. 5, Turkey
16. 4, D.R. of the Congo
17. 4, Thailand
18. 3, Burma
19. 3, South Africa
20. 3, South Korea
21. 3, Colombia
22. 3, Ukraine
23. 3, Tanzania
24. 3, Kenya
25. 2, Argentina
26. 2, Algeria
27. 2, Poland
28. 2, Sudan
29. 2, Uganda
30. 2, Canada
31. 2, Iraq
32. 2, Morocco
33. 2, Peru
34. 2, Uzbekistan
35. 2, Malaysia
36. 2, Saudi Arabia
37. 2, Venezuela
38. 2, Nepal
39. 2, Afghanistan
40. 2, Yemen
41. 2, North Korea
42. 2, Ghana
[356 Representatives]
43. Mozambique
44. Australia
45. Ivory Coast
46. Syria
47. Madagascar
48. Angola
49. Cameroon
50. Sri Lanka
51. Burkina Faso
52. Kazakhstan
53. Niger
54. Malawi
55. Chile
56. Guatemala
57. Ecuador
58. Mali
59. Cambodia
60. Zambia
61. Senegal
62. Zimbabwe
63. Chad
64. South Sudan
65. Cuba
66. Tunisia
67. Guinea
68. Rwanda
69. Somalia
70. Haiti
71. Benin
72. Bolivia
73. Azerbaijan
74. Belarus
75. Dominican Republic
76. Burundi
77. Honduras
78. U.A.E.
79. Tajikistan
80. Israel
81. Switzerland
82. Papua New Guinea
83. Serbia
84. Paraguay
85. Laos
86. Jordan
87. El Salvador
88. Eritrea
89. Libya
90. Togo
91. Sierra Leone
92. Nicaragua
93. Kyrgyzstan
94. Slovakia
95. Singapore
96. Turkmenistan
97. Norway
98. Lebanon
99. Costa Rica
100. Central African Republic
101. New Zealand
102. Georgia
103. Republic of the Congo
104. Liberia
105. Oman
106. Bosnia and Herzegovina
107. Mauritania
108. Panama
109. Uruguay
110. Kuwait
111. Armenia
112. Mongolia
113. Albania
114. Jamacia
115. Nambia
116. Lesotho
117. Macedonia
118. Slovenia
119. Qatar
120. Bostwana
121. Gambia
The Senate would also have 242 members, two for every voting member. The World Electoral College total would thus be 677 and it would require 339 votes to win a world Presidential election. Who would win?
That's a terrible name. What about Atlantica?
EDIT: Guess I was ninja'd by Wendell. Great minds think alike, eh?
A House would have at least 750 representatives and Senate vary by number of states; The EC, would like you to help me with suggestions.
A low-house model not necessarily must be the American.
A House would have at least 750 representatives and Senate vary by number of states; The EC, would like you to help me with suggestions.
A low-house model not necessarily must be the American.
But in the U.S. every state has the same number of senators.
roger
Banned
1000 (thousand) Electoral College votes in total sound better, near 1 vote for each near 7 million people in each entity, the world is too big poplous diverse to just 435, and 1000.
a Little help in Southamerica,
Argentina 40Millions 4 or 5 Votes
Bolivia 10M 1 or 2
Brazil 200 M 27 or 28
Chile 16M 2 or 3
Colombia 45M 6 or 7
Ecuador 16M 2 or 3
Paraguay 7M 1
Peru 30M 4 or 5
Uruguay 3M 1
Venezuela 4 or 5
Sothamerica 400M between 52 or 60
Always the higher option is the right one, poor China and India gonna lost big in it.
a Little help in Southamerica,
Argentina 40Millions 4 or 5 Votes
Bolivia 10M 1 or 2
Brazil 200 M 27 or 28
Chile 16M 2 or 3
Colombia 45M 6 or 7
Ecuador 16M 2 or 3
Paraguay 7M 1
Peru 30M 4 or 5
Uruguay 3M 1
Venezuela 4 or 5
Sothamerica 400M between 52 or 60
Always the higher option is the right one, poor China and India gonna lost big in it.
Mexico has more population than "Texas"... Divide it into North and South Mexico, methinks.