WI Clement VII annulled Henry's VIII wedding?

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  1. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    In 1525 King Henry VIII petitioned the Pope to annul his marriage with Catherine of Aragon on the ground that his marriage was illegal on the first place (since Catherine was married to his brother Arthur at first)...
    Clement VII refused the annulment because he didnot wanted to displease Charles V (Catherine was his aunt...)
    Henry VIII broke away from Rome then and was excommunicated by the Pope...
    WI Clement VII agreed to the annulment? Could England remained Catholic after 1533???
     
  2. Analytical Engine Make America British Again!

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    Probably.

    But his Holyness will have one very annoyed Emperor to deal with... ;)
     
  3. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Oh yes... But he would have the protection of England and France and they would deal with Charles V...
     
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    Deal with in a military sense??
     
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  6. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Probably... if an angry Charles V invaded the Papal states France would have retaliated...
     
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  8. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Besides the King of France would have seen it as an oppurtunity to seize the Papacy as Philippe IV did in 14th century...
     
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    Hrmm. Could this lead to something like the Wars of Religion in England? A Catholic monarchy with a large Protestant population?

    Okay, so this isn't very much like the Wars of Religion, since the Huenots were a fairly small minority, but still.
     
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    A possible candidate to succeed Clement VII might be:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_du_Bellay

    Granted he didn't become a cardinal until 1535 IOTL but Francis I might persuade Clement to make him one earlier by way of thanks
     
  11. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Yeap... But u have England in coalition with France against HRE and Spain... 4 Major Catholic powers fighting each other...
    This conflict might have influenced Church history too... (deadlocked Conclaves with French/English Cardinals fighting HRE/Spanish Cardinals and the Italians acting as Kingmakers... that would be soooo funny!!!:D:eek::D:eek:)
     
  12. Sgt Detritus Member

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    Would there be a figurehead of the Prostestant faction
     
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    A bit like the Papal Conclave of 1449-1450 IOTL?
     
  14. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Something similar... but i see the Cardinals electing someone really neutral... perhaps an Italian or someone who is not connected to the 4 Catholic powers... who would be the candidate? Someone who is not English/French/Spanish/HRE... tough question... I am expecting a long long Conclave... maybe longer than the interregnum between the death of Clement IV and the election of Gregory X...
     
  15. Ace Venom Well-Known Member

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    It would probably have taken something bad happening to Charles V for Clement VII to grant the annulment.
     
  16. Analytical Engine Make America British Again!

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    Illness? :confused:

    Death? :confused:
     
  17. Ace Venom Well-Known Member

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    Either one. Take away the fear of Charles V and Clement VII might be willing to grant the annulment. I won't say for sure.
     
  18. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Couldnt just Charles V agree to the annulment and just remarry Katherine to another Noble/King and forge a new alliance? (maybe against Henry VIII...)
    Any possible candidates for the Papal throne ammidst the religious turmoil in Europe?
     
  19. Analytical Engine Make America British Again!

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    But... why? :confused:

    Besides, if Henry had just waited a few more months, Catherine would have died anyway.
     
  20. Don_Giorgio Praefectus Praetorio Orientis

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    Well Henry couldnt wait... He had to legitimize his child from Anne Boleyn... He needed the Papal dispensation to dissolve his marriage and marry her ASAP...
    But the real problem starts when Clement VII dies (assassination perhaps?) and the Cardinals have to choose a new Pope... England remains Catholic and has a strong voice in the College of Cardinals... Maybe Henry VIII can buy the election of an English Cardinal... Wolsey perhaps?