Why are the 1950s so idealized?

Hendryk

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If you're talking about obscenity laws, they still exist now.
They were much stricter and more stringently enforced at the time.

One other possibility for why the 50s get idealized--in some ways it seems like it was the last American decade when adults instead of youths were at the center of entertainment and culture.
Adults might have been at the center of entertainment and culture, but they were treated like 12-year-olds. No onscreen kiss for you, it will give you dirty thoughts!
 
Adults might have been at the center of entertainment and culture, but they were treated like 12-year-olds. No onscreen kiss for you, it will give you dirty thoughts!

Did the content standards come from the government or simply a more conservative film industry?

The Hays Code was from the studios, not the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Production_Code

Granted, it was an attempt to pre-empt federal regulation, but the modern video-game-rating system is the same thing--the gaming industry decided to regulate itself lest the government regulate it.
 

Hendryk

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Did the content standards come from the government or simply a more conservative film industry?
Either way, the results were the same: an infantilized public. Entertainment was sanitized, bamboozled and brought in line with arbitrary moral codes until the entire pop culture was reduced to G-rated shows. Elvis couldn't even do a few dance steps without being censored, and June Cleaver somehow didn't sleep in the same bed as her husband.
 
Either way, the results were the same: an infantilized public. Entertainment was sanitized, bamboozled and brought in line with arbitrary moral codes until the entire pop culture was reduced to G-rated shows. Elvis couldn't even do a few dance steps without being censored, and June Cleaver somehow didn't sleep in the same bed as her husband.
To be fair, a lot of these things were considered ridiculous even then. So basically when things changed, it was the film industry playing catch-up.
 
I take issue with this kind of statement, which comes up every damn time the 1950s are discussed. In the 1950s the state decided on your behalf which race your spouse was supposed to be, it decided which movies you were allowed to watch, which books you were allowed to read, and which prophylactics you were allowed to use, among a long list of various invasive decisions. Nanny state? More like straight-laced spinster aunt state.

(re: miscegenation) Not in California or the more populated parts of the North.

(re: film industry) See previous post.

(re: books) IIRC the only censored topics were contraceptives, abortion and to a lesser extent Communism.

(re: prophylactics) I concede there.

But still, for the average Joe and Jane, they would have hardly cared, and it likely didn't seem a big deal at the time, just as having a game-rating system isn't seen as too much of a big deal now (unless you happen to be Australian, ion which case, I'm glad I'm gone).

VII. If you were neither white nor black, things were probably pretty bad - but "minority" really did mean minority; there just weren't that many people in group VII, so for the vast majority of people, things were looking pretty good.

Actually, even there, it was not so bad. If you were in this category, it meant you were married to a current or former serviceman, which lent itself to a good bit of social respect; if you weren't, it likely meant you were a refugee from one of the Cold War's more violent flashes, and thus you were grateful you lived in a place where going to work or church did not mean risking crossfire, and that you likely were more able to get three square a day.

Now, given, you still could face private discrimination, even outside the South, but I think most people in most times in history would put relative safety over racial discrimination, if only as the lesser of two evils.
 
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@ MerryPrankster: Yes. It should indeed.

Where am I supposed to start?

The 1950s (and maybe most of the 1960s as well) were essentially a time when (relative) scarcity seemed to have ended, but mostly enjoyed by people who had lively remembrance of the scarcity that used to be. They didn't take it for granted because they didn't grow up with it. They grew up with their old-fashioned values and lived them in the new prosperity.

Though if you were born into the new prosperity, the old-fashioned survival values (stick together even if you don't like one another, conformism, "family values" etc.) became essentially obsolete and their was no real need to adapt them. And with the ascence of televesion, these "symptoms" of prosperity started to spread into every living room, every billboard, everywhere you could watch. People used the opportunity to afford self-expression values (non-conformity, individualism etc.) they wouldn't have afforded 20 years before, and this marks the later boundary of the hyper-idealized post-war time. And about 50's culture, well, the US wasn't as bombed out as most of Europe which needed reconstruction. But hey, if your (former) daily life was strife and scarcity, you want to watch an idyllic world to forget their hardship. When said hardship no longer exists in that amount, you can spot your attention to evils, cynism, hedonism etc. because your attention wasn't distracted by the daily struggle of survival.
 
The 1950s (and maybe most of the 1960s as well) were essentially a time when (relative) scarcity seemed to have ended, but mostly enjoyed by people who had lively remembrance of the scarcity that used to be. They didn't take it for granted because they didn't grow up with it. They grew up with their old-fashioned values and lived them in the new prosperity.

That seems to sum it up--compared to the Depression and WWII, the 1950s seemed to be a land of milk and honey.

(There's a song entitled "Kids of the Baby Boom" that even uses the phrase "land of milk and honey.")

Pre-1950s, you had all the problems social critics point out about the 1950s and much worse poverty too.
 
(re: miscegenation) Not in California or the more populated parts of the North.

But it was impossible for a mixed-race married couple to cross the United States from one of these bastions of tolerance to the other without becoming felons en route.

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(re: books) IIRC the only censored topics were contraceptives, abortion and to a lesser extent Communism.

(re: prophylactics) I concede there.

But still, for the average Joe and Jane, they would have hardly cared, and it likely didn't seem a big deal at the time...

Now let's stipulate that the "average Joe and Jane" didn't worry too much about being denied free legal access to Marxist texts. (For that matter, I'm not sure there was actual censorship of strictly political stuff--it's just that getting caught with it would put everything else you did under suspicion).

But seriously now, do you think that Joe and Jane had no concern whatsoever with being blocked from birth-control related items and information? The latter would get you in trouble, for "obscenity." The former would get you in trouble on those grounds plus others.

It might be that Joe was generally less bothered by this sort of repression than Jane was. But that brings us closer to the crux of this thread's original question, which is not so much "Were the 1950s seen as a good time at the time?" as "Why do so many modern people idealize the 1950s?" One category of nostalgics is definitely those who think that what I call "sexual freedom" and "gender equality" is a bad thing.

How many of us here have actually read Betty Friedan's Feminine Mystique? I was quite surprised when I finally did, to learn that Friedan was not bemoaning a general and eternal suppression of women from time immemorial. No, she was comparing the experiences of women of her generation, coming of age in the late 1940s and 1950s, with the accepted cultural expectations for women in just the two decades before. Her claim was that in the postwar years, women were quite actively and systematically forced out of public life and places they had won for themselves outside the domestic sphere were eroded and denied them.

Another very interesting if less famous book to consider in this context is Leslie Reagan's When Abortion Was a Crime. Reagan examines the history of the actual practice of abortion as well as its legal status in the United States (focusing mainly on the Chicago region) from the late eighteenth century until Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade. Interestingly, while abortion was largely illegal in most of this period, it was criminalized mainly on the grounds of restricting medical practice to approved professionals--a properly licensed medical professional could always terminate a pregnancy on ground of "medical necessity," and the controversy was fought over what was and was not medically necessary. Reagan observes several phases of the practice, such as the initial battle to impose medical professionalism (ie ban midwives), the long period when licensed MDs did predominate but these doctors were private practitioners generally hired by the mother of a family (therefore strongly inclined to find "medical necessity" whenever these matriarchs deemed they should, lest they lose customers), through the evolution of more centralized hospitals which spurred the parallel evolution of specialized abortion clinics. This takes us up to the WWII era, when although abortion clinics were in a shadowy, dubious legal position and sometimes subject to raids, it was still generally possible for a woman to find a reasonably safe place to terminate a pregnancy. Postwar, the Roman Catholic Church found allies among "cultural conservatives" as we say nowadays, particularly well in alignment with anti-Communists, to start systematically shutting down these clinics and imposing ever stricter scrutiny on hospital ethics boards to stringently deny nearly every application for abortion in those institutions. Thus, despite the fact that advances in medical technology had made abortion a safer procedure than ever before (if conducted in a properly run medical facility) this period, this "Fab Fifties" running into the '60s, was the time of the real bloodbath for women, the era of the back-alley abortionist and hospital wards filling with women dying from their mistakes.

On this thread some of us have already alluded to the dark side of '50s nostalgia in the matter of it being the time before the Civil Rights ball really got rolling in terms of results.

Actually the true "Good Old Days" of the Fifties ran from the end of the Korean War to the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1965...

Funny how the Civil Rights Act makes such a convenient bookend for the end of the "good old days," isn't it.

Well, I just think that in addition to race relations, we should look at gender relations too. For someone living in those days, there were generally rays of hope, though as Betty Friedan and Leslie Reagan make clear, for some people (half the population in fact) the clock was clearly running backward. Looking backward, to favor these days of possible hope and certain fear over the days when hopes came to better fruition is I think evidence of reaction.
 
@ MerryPrankster: Yes. It should indeed.
Though if you were born into the new prosperity, the old-fashioned survival values (stick together even if you don't like one another, conformism, "family values" etc.) became essentially obsolete and their was no real need to adapt them. And with the ascence of televesion, these "symptoms" of prosperity started to spread into every living room, every billboard, everywhere you could watch. People used the opportunity to afford self-expression values (non-conformity, individualism etc.) they wouldn't have afforded 20 years before, and this marks the later boundary of the hyper-idealized post-war time. And about 50's culture, well, the US wasn't as bombed out as most of Europe which needed reconstruction. But hey, if your (former) daily life was strife and scarcity, you want to watch an idyllic world to forget their hardship. When said hardship no longer exists in that amount, you can spot your attention to evils, cynism, hedonism etc. because your attention wasn't distracted by the daily struggle of survival.

Exactly. This is why the massive social revolutions of the late '60s/early '70s didn't happen until the late '60s. Technically speaking, they could have begun when cohort III as defined in my previous post hit adulthood, since they never experienced (at least at an age where they could appreciate) the hardships of the Depression/WWII but there were more or less three factors that limited that:

- Cohort III was much smaller than cohort IV, and
- When cohort III was starting their adult lives, the civil rights movement hadn't kicked into full gear yet.

The Civil Rights Movement (which was itself at least partially galvanized by the effects of black WWII veterans returning home to segregation) more or less acted as sort of a model for the later social movements to base themselves off of, and the Baby Boomers provided the manpower for these movements.

There's also perhaps the television gap between cohort III (which likely spent the bulk of their pre-adult life without TV) and cohort IV (which spent the bulk of their pre-adult life, and certainly their adolescent life, with TV).
 
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