What ideology can make the Roman Empire last longer

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: Before 1900' started by Typo, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. Typo Banned

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    While a lot of people talk about technology that can save the Roman Empire, I'm asking: what kind of ideology can delay the fall of Rome?

    Could a more martial religion/cult such as Mithras or Sol Invictus do it? Could some form of pseudo-nationalism even spring out?
     
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  2. Keenir Banned

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    Immortality.

    other than that, I don't see how you can keep it from finallly falling in 1924.
     
  3. Typo Banned

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    Fine, let's define the fall as in the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and that of the eastern one into a feudal Greek kingdom.
     
  4. Berra Friendly Pitchfork Operator

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    Industrialism and enlightenment?
     
  5. Kvasir We shall overcome #EU

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    An ideology based on the Emperor himself. Look at China. If the Religion required a Roman Empire to function, it would have to continue in some form.
     
  6. Alayta ortgrafig indiwidual

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    From a certain point of view ( and not an extremly weired one) christianity made the roman empire last until 1806.
     
  7. LordInsane Supporter of the Alliance

    Or possibly 1917 (if just going by Christianity), but since
    was said, that's not the issue at hand.​
     
  8. Codae Well-Known Member

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    The ideology that the political status quo must be maintained.
     
  9. alt_historian Didn't mean to be away so long

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    How about an ideology embracing change? The impression I get is that the Romans fell, as much as any other reason, because they ceased to innovate.

    But yes, pseudo-nationalism would be very helpful, as it would provide something to hold the Empire together. As long as people identify more strongly with their region/tribe/religion/whatever than they do with the Empire, they'll just keep having civil wars...

    Really, we need the advent of nationalism, coupled with the idea that innovation, if not necessarily good in itself, is not inherently bad either... both of those will help a lot.
     
  10. Abdul Hadi Pasha Banned

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    Why 1806? I don't understand the significance of that date.
     
  11. Zyzzyva Was a Teenage Swine-Flu Vector

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    End of the (Holy) Roman Empire.
     
  12. PaleHorseRiding Banned

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    well how about constitutional monarchy.
     
  13. Kinna Banned

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    Huh? Chinese religion DIDNT require an Emperor. Japan would be a better analogy, a state that not only remained a monarchy but retained the same royal family... so something like Shintoism, perhaps?
     
  14. Ridwan Asher Jungle Arab

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    Well, (Holy) Roman Empire was as "Roman" as the Byzantines and the Ottomans, though they were still more roman than the Russians. ;)

    From another certain point of view, Roman Empire last until 1922, when it dissolved by the Treaty of Versailles.
     
  15. Kvasir We shall overcome #EU

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    No, what I meant was China's empire survived for so long because of the Chinese culture and beliefs about the Emperor. For example the mystery and power of the Emperor and the "Son of Empire" title. Look at this wiki entry:

    There were huge advantages to claiming the Title, but it could only be claimed if you controled most of China. Therefore it actually encouged unity. An ambitious man would activly try to recreate the Empire when it fell. That's what Rome needs. So after the German migration there has to be that power and draw for the Empire to return. So a religion that facilitated that would be far more useful. Christianity focused on the Pope and look how long he lasted.
     
  16. Typo Banned

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    I'm more inclined to believe Diamond's theory that China's geography naturally leads to more years of unification.

    But get back on topic! :)