Warsaw Pact invasion routes?

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Top hats daily, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Top hats daily Well-Known Member

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    Hi all, I was curious of what a Warsaw Pact invasion route would be in this situation


    1983-

    Both sides had a ramping up of forces because of international tension

    Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, Finland are neutral at start of war (can change during war)

    Italian Corps stay mostly within Italy proper

    France stays in NATO

    All NATO are at war

    Other theaters

    Asia is at peace

    Middle East at peace

    What directions does the WP take against NATO?
     
  2. AriaT Banned

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    Northern Norway, Fulda Gap, perhaps Yougoslavia. There are many avenues of Warsaw Pact expansion.
     
  3. EternalCynic ├čanned

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    There were files opened by the Polish government stating the most prominent standing plan involved the Warsaw Pact nuking military targets in West Germany. The Czechoslovak army would march across the nuclear wasteland to reach the Rhine in seven days, also taking Munich, Stuttgart, and Frankfurt. It's also assumed NATO would retaliate by wiping out all of Poland's cities. Benelux and Denmark also glow green at night.

    The Soviets would avoid nuking France or Britain directly, knowing that would cross a red line.
     
  4. Enigmajones Ours Is The Fury

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    Something like this.
     
  5. Dustin Resident Bostonian

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    Except that's a NATO invasion route.
     
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    Why does NATO nuke Poland but not East Germany? :confused:
     
  8. Pangur The Cat

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    At a guess they would do that to cut Soviet lines back to Russia and then occupy Eastern Germany.
     
  9. Incognito Banned

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    So the Polish government released this to show how bad the Communist regimes were... yet it assumes that its NATO that carries out 1st strike on Polish cities.

    Also, just curious, assuming that something like this were to happen and there is some kind of peace agreement between NATO & Warsaw Pact after communist forces take West Germany, were there any plans for what to do with Poland? What were the Polish government's own plans for surviving a NATO attack on Poland's urban areas?
     
  10. ObssesedNuker Commander of 10 million men

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    The main axis of attack for an early-80's Soviet offensive will likely come across the North German Plain, with attacks through Fulda Gap and Scandinavian as supporting moves. Not only is the plain much more favorable tank terrain, but a successfull advance across it would isolate NATO forces further south (like in the Fulda Gap) from the channel ports, pinning them against the Alps and effectively pocketing them.

    Given how bad NATO defensive dispositions were at this time, a successful Soviet breakthrough and exploitation is extremely likely.

    The "Six Days to the Rhine" plan the Polish Government released strikes me as more in line with an early-60's Soviet war plan then an early-80's one.
     
  11. Cook Real friends stab you in the front.

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    Strategic planning, straight from the violent ward of the insane asylum.
     
  12. ObssesedNuker Commander of 10 million men

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    :sigh:

    Soviet nuclear policy in the early-80s was firmly in the "No First-Use" territory*. By then they had realized that a nuclear war is unwinnable and it would be more favorable for the Russians, given their initial superiority in conventional ground and air forces, to stay away from the nukes for as long as possible. Although the same can not be said for their views on chemical weapons.

    As I already stated, the plan published by the Polish Government is more in line with Soviet military thought during the early-mid 1960's when their military did think a nuclear war was survivable.

    The Soviets never accepted the idea that a nuclear war could be limited.

    *With the caveat that they did not consider a pre-emptive nuclear strike to be "first-use".
     
  13. Thoresby Well-Known Member

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    I always thought that 3rd Shock Army's attack across the North German Plain towards Hamburg would be the main schwehrpunkt. It's great Tank Country and the it was the most offensive orientated Soviet Army in Germany with two Tank Divisions and it had 20th and 2nd Tank Armies backing it up. Southern Germany and the Fulda Gap was always going to be a sideshow.
     
  14. kspence92 Well-Known Member

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    Did the Soviets ever have plans for an invasion of Sweden and/or Finland to give them another route of attack into Norway ?
     
  15. LostCosmonaut Comic Atomic

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    The Finns could possibly be strongarmed into giving the soviets military access, but I doubt they would invade Sweden, which had a significant and advanced military force of its own.
     
  16. mattep74 Well-Known Member

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    I think so, there have been multiple reports in Swedish newspapers about such plans.

    Why do you think our airports have longer runways than commercial planes or Swedish fighters needed when the airports were constructed? To allow B52s to land.
     
  17. mats Banned

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    Would invading scandinavia really be such a good idea though? IIRC Swedish and Norwegian forces are of top-notch quality, and the terrain extremely easy to defend.
     
  18. mowque Banned

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    They all end in nuclear fire.
     
  19. ObssesedNuker Commander of 10 million men

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    As noted: with Sweden, yes. With Finland, the common assumption is that they would permit the Soviets military access.


    In a words: yes. Seizing Norwegian territory gives the Soviet navy and land-based anti-ship aircraft an easier time to get at NATO convoys in the North Sea and the Atlantic, in addition it helps secure the northern flank of the Soviet forces in Germany. Invading Sweden would be a means of conditioning greater success in Norway, although the Soviets would prefer to keep the Swedes neutral... no sense in needlessely adding another enemy to fight.

    But as I said, it would be secondary to the fighting in Germany. That is where the conventional part of a Cold War WWIII will be either won or lost.


    Ultimately and in all likelyhood, yes.
     
  20. amphibulous Banned

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    But the quantity of forces were, by Soviet standards, tiny. So really not a problem.