TLIAD: The Limpid Stream

Ah well - I was hoping for an ATL where the Millibands went East and not West.

David Milliband as PM of Russia was just a step too far:D

I think in this timeline David is the trade union appointee on the Coooperative Works Council of the Zasyadko Mine Coal company of Donetsk

His brother is the management appointee.
 
Ah well - I was hoping for an ATL where the Millibands went East and not West.

David Milliband as PM of Russia was just a step too far:D

ITTL, without the Nazis marching all over Europe, they wouldn't have a reason to go anywhere - it's also uncertain that Marian and Ralph would have even met were it not for the turmoil of the Third Reich and Second World War.

Iggy! Inspired. I like how you manage to make boring premierships seem interesting through the strength of your storytelling.
 
So really, among other things, this TL is a lesson as to how influential the diaspora induced by the Russian Civil War/WW1 has been to the West.
 
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2014-Present: Boris Daschle (Progressive Conservative)
The healthcare specialist who has pledged to be at the forefront of "compassionate conservatism"

The former army medic was the natural choice to take control of Russia's centre-right in 2013. Having served as Director of Vrachi Bez Granits, working on the Siamese border during the Indochinese Civil War, Daschle soon became a familiar face on the cinescreens of the Republic and was courted by both the FDLP and the the Rightist coalition for politics. Despite his moderate leanings, the expulsion of the far-right from the reformed Progressive Conservatives was sufficient - he entered the Duma in 2009.

Daschle rapidly rose through the ranks of the Shadow Cabinet, first as Minister for Health, then the Interior and finally - after the resignation of Roman Abramovich to take up a position at the League of Nations - Leader of the Opposition. Entering office, he has pledged to "combine the individualism of the right with the compassion of the left." Whether such a synergy of the notoriously partisan Russian Republic is possible, only time will tell.

The End, for now...
 
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As a Super Best Friend of the author, I can confirm this was on his mind when he wrote it.

Next project: French migration to the South Coast post Huguenot/pre Entente Cordiale and their impact on county or parish elections in the South East/Coast.
 

Faeelin

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I can't tell if it's true, or just bias from the posts, but this Russia seems much better off, perversely, than OTL's.
 
Firstly - a massive thank-you to all of you for your kind words. As many of you noted, this was an exercise where I realised just how many White Russian refugees from notionally political backgrounds ended up as writers, philosophers and musicians. I suppose that, whilst Russia may be better off in some respects, the artistic world is a hell of a lot poorer.

I am sorry that this turned into a TLIAW, rather than a TLIAD, but that is the problem with doing this at work, things sometimes crop up. Next time, I may wait until I actually have a day off!

Meadow and I are in the early stages of a joint-effort though, so watch this space over the next few months.

I assume the latest was inspired by Simeon of Bulgaria?

Yes indeed. A friend of mine from the LSE is Bulgarian and she seemed astonished when I mentioned him back when I was studying there. Apparently, he still isn't very popular and (according to her) - he would have been much better off requesting a referendum to bring back the monarchy, he would have won a job that he would have been quite good at, rather than one that he wasn't.

After a while of partisan too-and-fro, it seemed like a plausible outcome from the Russian Republic.

Interesting. Anglo-Italian flypast of Venus? Please tell me that is somehow a manned mission. I would expect that it is "only" a robotic probe, but still, a successful space programme for the UK. It's a little bit sad that Russia is so far behind OTL in exploring space though.

I did like Miguel Portillo as Spanish President and his railway journey. I'm a bit surprised at how Poland and the Baltic states seem to be monarchies rather than republics.

A successful peacemaker in charge of Russia. That really is a change from the norm. A most welcome one too.

I did envisage this as a robotic probe, sadly. As Thande notes, there certainly isn't anything too SF about the concept, but as I think I made clear, rocketry is far, far behind OTL at this stage, probably no more advanced than the mid-seventies. The lack of a proper Cold War would not have helped, nor the likes of Operation Paperclip giving one side a major advantage. Although the technology exists, there hasn't been a manned moon landing as of yet and international co-operation doesn't go much beyond the odd bilateral mission for some of the big ones.

As you say - the Eastern post-German states tend to be monarchies, just as the ones that were envisioned in OTL would have been - but Republicanism in the West, especially with the likes of Spain and Italy, has happened - especially given that there's no *Nazi Germany to prop up the Nationalists in any sort of Spanish Civil War.

Red Swastika? Brilliant.

It just popped into my head! A very good example of how symbols can totally change in a matter of years! For an OTL example, this was in the news a matter of weeks ago!

Just went through this, and I must say, my lord, that you are a credit to this website :)

Might I be so bold as to request a map?

I may do one - if I have some time over Easter!

I can't tell if it's true, or just bias from the posts, but this Russia seems much better off, perversely, than OTL's.

As a pink, western-minded, libertarian socialist, I think that it is always going to be hard to talk about an industrialised democracy that is worse that an industrialised dictatorship - but this is the thing about Alternate History, dystopia is hard! That said, if I had had more time, I would probably have gone into more detail about the massacres undertaken by the Wrangel government, or the Kazakh pogroms under Trotsky. I doubt that Wrangel would have industrialised the countryside nearly as much as Stalin and - as I mentioned - illiteracy is an issue right into the sixties in this version of Russia. The one genuine success that the Bolsheviks had was their reading and writing programme, which is still almost unmatched in world history.

The fact that eugenics is still fairly mainstream ITTL is quite likely, given that you haven't had the mass discrediting of the idea under Fascism. The lack of a major international conflict post-WWI has also made international politics a great deal messier. Despite the best intentions of the League of Nations and the European Confederacy, bi-lateral rivalries are going to be more common, and I think that small-scale conflicts between otherwise developed nations will persist for quite some time to come.
 
As some have already requested via PM - here's a list of some of the major nations. As with other timelines, the asterisk implies someone so butterflied as to be entirely original - obviously, you may be able to guess who I was going for, but to all intents and purposes, they are different people.

Prime Ministers of the Russian Republic

1917-1919: Alexander Kerensky (Social Revolutionary)
1919-1946: Pyotr Nikolayevich Wrangel (Independent/National Union)
1946-1951: Leon Trotsky (Progress)
1951-1957: Igor Stravinsky (Social Renewal)
1957-1963: Vladimir Nabokov (Free Democratic and Liberal)
1963-1971: Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (Conservative and Unionist)
1971-1982: Alisa Rosenbaum (Free Democratic and Liberal)
1982-1982: Gregori Trebek (Free Democratic and Liberal)

1982-1990: Nikolai Tolstoy (Conservative and Unionist)
1990-1996: Nicholai Romanov (All-Russia Union - Bloc “Romanov”)
1996-2005: Dominic Lieven (Free Democratic and Liberal)
2005-2014: Mikhail Ignatieff (Free Democratic and Liberal)

2014-????: Boris Daschle (Progressive Conservative)*


Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

1916-1921: David Lloyd George (Liberal)
1921-1925: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1925-1926: J. R. Clynes (Labour)
1925-1927: Austen Chamberlain (Conservative)
1927-1929: Leo Amery (Conservative)

1929-1932: Arthur Henderson (Labour)
1932-1934: Philip Snowden (Labour)

1934-1941: Sir Samuel Hoare (Conservative)
1941-1944: Leslie Hore-Belisha (National Liberal)
1944-1952: William Graham (Labour)
1952-1952: Herbert Morrison (Labour)

1952-1957: Ronald Cartland (Liberal-Conservative)
1957-1961: Rab Butler (Liberal-Conservative)
1961-1962: Peter Thorneycroft (Liberal-Conservative)

1962-1969: Barbara Castle (Labour)
1969-1974: Peter Thorneycroft (Liberal-Conservative)
1974-1980: John Stonehouse (Labour)
1980-1983: Stanley Orme (Labour)

1983-1988: Keith Joseph (Liberal-Conservative)
1988-1990: Terry Major-Ball (Liberal-Conservative)

1990-1997: Alan Sked (Reform)
1997-2000: Tim Congdon (Reform)

2000-2008: Robert Cook (Labour)*
2008-2012: Theresa Booth (Labour)*

2012-????: Gideon Osborne-Howell (Liberal-Conservative)*


Presidents of the United States of America

1913-1921: Woodrow Wilson (Democratic)
1921-1929: Frank Orren Lowden (Republican)
1933-1941: William Gibbs McAdoo (Democratic)
1941-1945: Herbert H. Lehman (Democratic)

1945-1953: Harold Stassen (Republican)
1953-1961: Estes Kefauver (Democratic)
1961-1965: Stuart Symington (Democratic)

1965-1973: Mo Udall (Republican)
1973-1981: George F. Kennan (Republican)

1981-1989: Bobby Hutchins (Democratic)
1989-1997: Fred Koch (Liberty)
1997-2005: James Bush (Republican)*
2005-2009: Arthur Blake (Republican)*

2009-????: Elaine Martínez (Democratic)*
 
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So is there a reason why King Alexander took a Scottish name (becoming, I presume, the first monarch to do so)? Very fun, and it's interesting to see how many people were forced to leave their countries and became influential in their fields in the new countries. As you say, in some respects this is a better world than OTL, in others it isn't. Overall though, any timeline without the USSR and Nazi Germany is almost bound to be an improvement. It's hard to imagine circumstances where their absence makes things worse.
 
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