Timeline In A Week: On To Berlin!
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ON TO BERLIN!
An Alternate History Of The First Days Of The Second World War
PART 3
PRAVDA
September 12th, 1939
FINAL VICTORY AGAINST POLISH FASCISTS IMMINENT
Our Soldiers Advance Relentlessly Toward Warsaw
MANCHESTER GUARDIAN
BOR-KOMOROWSKY REJECTS KREMLIN DEMANDS FOR
POLAND'S SURRENDER
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The Royal Navy claims tonight that they have the German pocket battleship
Graf Spee cornered in the South Atlantic in a location one hundred and fifty-two
nautical miles off the coast of Brazil....”
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES EVENING EDITION
EXTRA—POLISH GOVT. REPORTS SOVIET ARTILLERY SHELLING
OUTSKIRTS OF BREST-LITOVSK
TIMES OF LONDON
September 13th, 1939
MR. CHAMBERLAIN CONFRONTS SOVIET AMBASSADOR
ABOUT RED ARMY AGGRESSION IN POLAND
Threatens Break In Relations Between Whitehall And Kremlin
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER
NAVY ANNOUNCES ATLANTIC FLEET MANEUVERS
TO BE HELD NEXT WEEK
Exercise Meant To Test Battle-Readiness, Says Secretary Knox
MUTUAL RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The British embassy in Washington reports tonight that Royal Navy warships
are exchanging fire with the Graf Spee....”
CHICAGO TRIBUNE EVENING EDITION
SOVIET, POLISH TROOPS REPORTED FIGHTING
INSIDE BREST-LITOVSK
WASHINGTON POST
September 14th, 1939
GERMANS LAUNCH 3-FRONT ATTACK ON ALLIED LINES
AT JUTLAND
NO WORD YET ON FATE OF GRAF SPEE
BBC WORLD SERVICE NEWS BULLETIN
“The Polish army’s situation in the Brest-Litovsk area continues to deteriorate
by the hour...A Swiss newspaperman has told the BBC within the past ten minutes
that he can hear Soviet tanks approaching the heart of the city. With the Polish air
force all but wiped out and the army running extremely low on ammunition it must
be viewed as questionable whether the city-- or for that matter Poland itself --will
be able to hold out much longer....”
CBS RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The German government tonight is denying reports from the French newspaper
Paris-Soir that the pocket battleship Graf Spee has been sunk by British warships
less than one hundred and fifty nautical miles off the coast of Brazil...”
NEW YORK WORLD TELEGRAM EVENING EDITION
LATE EXTRA--STALIN CLAIMS RED ARMY IN CONTROL OF
BREST-LITOVSK
NEW YORK TIMES
September 15th, 1939
BREST-LITOVSK FALLS TO RED ARMY;
BOR-KOMOROWSKY REJECTS MOSCOW”S DEMAND
THAT POLISH GOVERNMENT CAPITULATE
EXCERPT OF SPEECH BY THADEUSZ BOR-KOMOROWSKY
TO POLISH PARLIAMENT(SEJM)
“Gentlemen, you do not need me to remind you of the catastrophes which have
befallen our country in recent days. Indeed, many of you have suffered terrible
losses at the hands of the Germans or the Russians. But do not think for a moment
that I intend to give up the struggle to rid our homeland of the invaders....in fact,
the horrors now being inflicted on Poland only serve to incite me to fight that much
harder to deliver her from the tyrants who seek to crush her under their boots. Even
if it takes the next hundred years, Poland will be free....”
CBS RADIO SPECIAL NEWS BULLETIN
“Within the past half-hour, the German navy has finally acknowledged the sinking of
the pocket battleship Graf Spee. According to a Stockholm newspaper, the surviving
officers and crew of the ill-fated battlewagon have been picked up by the Brazilian
navy and are being interned in Brazil pending further developments. The fate of the
Graf Spee's captain is unknown at this time, although given the damage she sustained
in her engagements with the Royal Navy there is a distinct possibility he has perished
along with his ship...”
LOS ANGELES TIMES EVENING EDITION
WARSAW IN FLAMES AFTER MASSIVE NAZI BOMBING
Goering Boasts “Poland Is Finished”;
General Bor-Komorowsky Said To Be Missing
An Alternate History Of The First Days Of The Second World War
PART 3
PRAVDA
September 12th, 1939
FINAL VICTORY AGAINST POLISH FASCISTS IMMINENT
Our Soldiers Advance Relentlessly Toward Warsaw
MANCHESTER GUARDIAN
BOR-KOMOROWSKY REJECTS KREMLIN DEMANDS FOR
POLAND'S SURRENDER
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The Royal Navy claims tonight that they have the German pocket battleship
Graf Spee cornered in the South Atlantic in a location one hundred and fifty-two
nautical miles off the coast of Brazil....”
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES EVENING EDITION
EXTRA—POLISH GOVT. REPORTS SOVIET ARTILLERY SHELLING
OUTSKIRTS OF BREST-LITOVSK
TIMES OF LONDON
September 13th, 1939
MR. CHAMBERLAIN CONFRONTS SOVIET AMBASSADOR
ABOUT RED ARMY AGGRESSION IN POLAND
Threatens Break In Relations Between Whitehall And Kremlin
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER
NAVY ANNOUNCES ATLANTIC FLEET MANEUVERS
TO BE HELD NEXT WEEK
Exercise Meant To Test Battle-Readiness, Says Secretary Knox
MUTUAL RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The British embassy in Washington reports tonight that Royal Navy warships
are exchanging fire with the Graf Spee....”
CHICAGO TRIBUNE EVENING EDITION
SOVIET, POLISH TROOPS REPORTED FIGHTING
INSIDE BREST-LITOVSK
WASHINGTON POST
September 14th, 1939
GERMANS LAUNCH 3-FRONT ATTACK ON ALLIED LINES
AT JUTLAND
NO WORD YET ON FATE OF GRAF SPEE
BBC WORLD SERVICE NEWS BULLETIN
“The Polish army’s situation in the Brest-Litovsk area continues to deteriorate
by the hour...A Swiss newspaperman has told the BBC within the past ten minutes
that he can hear Soviet tanks approaching the heart of the city. With the Polish air
force all but wiped out and the army running extremely low on ammunition it must
be viewed as questionable whether the city-- or for that matter Poland itself --will
be able to hold out much longer....”
CBS RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The German government tonight is denying reports from the French newspaper
Paris-Soir that the pocket battleship Graf Spee has been sunk by British warships
less than one hundred and fifty nautical miles off the coast of Brazil...”
NEW YORK WORLD TELEGRAM EVENING EDITION
LATE EXTRA--STALIN CLAIMS RED ARMY IN CONTROL OF
BREST-LITOVSK
NEW YORK TIMES
September 15th, 1939
BREST-LITOVSK FALLS TO RED ARMY;
BOR-KOMOROWSKY REJECTS MOSCOW”S DEMAND
THAT POLISH GOVERNMENT CAPITULATE
EXCERPT OF SPEECH BY THADEUSZ BOR-KOMOROWSKY
TO POLISH PARLIAMENT(SEJM)
“Gentlemen, you do not need me to remind you of the catastrophes which have
befallen our country in recent days. Indeed, many of you have suffered terrible
losses at the hands of the Germans or the Russians. But do not think for a moment
that I intend to give up the struggle to rid our homeland of the invaders....in fact,
the horrors now being inflicted on Poland only serve to incite me to fight that much
harder to deliver her from the tyrants who seek to crush her under their boots. Even
if it takes the next hundred years, Poland will be free....”
CBS RADIO SPECIAL NEWS BULLETIN
“Within the past half-hour, the German navy has finally acknowledged the sinking of
the pocket battleship Graf Spee. According to a Stockholm newspaper, the surviving
officers and crew of the ill-fated battlewagon have been picked up by the Brazilian
navy and are being interned in Brazil pending further developments. The fate of the
Graf Spee's captain is unknown at this time, although given the damage she sustained
in her engagements with the Royal Navy there is a distinct possibility he has perished
along with his ship...”
LOS ANGELES TIMES EVENING EDITION
WARSAW IN FLAMES AFTER MASSIVE NAZI BOMBING
Goering Boasts “Poland Is Finished”;
General Bor-Komorowsky Said To Be Missing
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cubefreak123
Banned
So I don't see Hitler teaming up with Stalin here (after all the whole idea was to kill the inferior commies) and since an alliance between the West and the USSR looks to be out of the question, could we be seeing a West vs Germany with a pseudo-war pitting the West vs Soviets and outright war between Germany and Russia as well here? This whole thing is just shaping up to be the Mother Of All Clusterf***s.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Jeezus, can't you be bothered to check basic facts?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The only ethnic Russians in interwar Poland were White emigres. If you bothered to check, OTL USSR attacked Poland to "free" western Ukrainian and Belarusians.[/FONT]
Śmigły-Rydz was not a Prime Minister. Felicjan Sławoj-Składkowski was.
Geography fail. Lublin was over 250 km from Polish-Soviet border. And you try to convince as that Red Army can cross that distance in 2 days???
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]More geography fail. Białystok was also around 250 km from border. And Soviets are supposed to get there in 4 days. Yeah, right.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What for??? And through where?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Bór-Komorowski was a lowly [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]colonel[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] in 1939. He had [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]no chance[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] on heading government. At all. He was sth like 1000th in the line of succession. Do you really can't check who was in Polish government in 1939? Seriously...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Congratulations! You finally got a city that Red Army could reach if they started war 7 days before. That is if they weren't fighting anyone during advance... [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But I wonder if you even know where this city is...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Brest-Litovsk was too small for urban fighting. Not mentioning the matter of the fortress there, that should have been the first target of attack.[/FONT]
This "timeline" should be taken behind the wall and shot. Repeatedly. And then dosed with gasoline and set on fire.
Definitely NOT subscribed.
In the future, please do at least some basic historical and geographical research.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]The only ethnic Russians in interwar Poland were White emigres. If you bothered to check, OTL USSR attacked Poland to "free" western Ukrainian and Belarusians.[/FONT]
Śmigły-Rydz was not a Prime Minister. Felicjan Sławoj-Składkowski was.
Geography fail. Lublin was over 250 km from Polish-Soviet border. And you try to convince as that Red Army can cross that distance in 2 days???
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]More geography fail. Białystok was also around 250 km from border. And Soviets are supposed to get there in 4 days. Yeah, right.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]What for??? And through where?[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Bór-Komorowski was a lowly [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]colonel[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] in 1939. He had [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]no chance[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, sans-serif] on heading government. At all. He was sth like 1000th in the line of succession. Do you really can't check who was in Polish government in 1939? Seriously...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Congratulations! You finally got a city that Red Army could reach if they started war 7 days before. That is if they weren't fighting anyone during advance... [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]But I wonder if you even know where this city is...[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Brest-Litovsk was too small for urban fighting. Not mentioning the matter of the fortress there, that should have been the first target of attack.[/FONT]
This "timeline" should be taken behind the wall and shot. Repeatedly. And then dosed with gasoline and set on fire.
Definitely NOT subscribed.
In the future, please do at least some basic historical and geographical research.
Admiral Halsey
Banned
Wow. There's criticism and then there's whatever that rant was. I think it's a good TL even if it isn't 100% accurate and takes some liberties with stuff.
Jeez, can't you do a little less outraged?
Okay. Mistakes; and mistakes about your country. Got it. Check.
Chill out.
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]It appears that I let my emotions get better of me and I made some remarks I should not have. For that I apologise.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Nonetheless, my main point stands: this timeline shows lack of sufficient research which caused severe innacuracies to appear. Armies that cover in mere days distances that take weeks, for one. I would ask, if smn wrote that enemy army took, i.e. 2 days marching from Canadian border to St. Louis, would that be considered realistic? I doubt it. As it is now, this timeline is ASB.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]Nonetheless, my main point stands: this timeline shows lack of sufficient research which caused severe innacuracies to appear. Armies that cover in mere days distances that take weeks, for one. I would ask, if smn wrote that enemy army took, i.e. 2 days marching from Canadian border to St. Louis, would that be considered realistic? I doubt it. As it is now, this timeline is ASB.[/FONT]
ASB is a bit harsh, no? I've seen faaaar shakier TLs get by. I like both the style and the general direction of this work, some details being off doesn't bother me.
Keep on keeping on, OP
Keep on keeping on, OP
Chris Oakley
Banned
ON TO BERLIN!
An Alternate History Of The First Days Of The Second World War
PART 4
WASHINGTON STAR
September 16th, 1939
GENERAL BOR-KOMOROWSKY’S FATE STILL UNKNOWN
Radio, Phone Lines In Warsaw Disabled By German Bombing
SYDNEY MORNING HERALD
DEFENCE MINISTER STREET VOICES CONCERN
OVER JAPANESE INTENTIONS IN PACIFIC
Suggests Conflict In Europe May Incite Tokyo Expansionists
To Threaten British, French Territories In Southeast Asia
BBC HOME SERVICE NEWS BULLETIN
“The officers and enlisted crew of the Royal Navy task force which recently carried
out a successful mission to track down and destroy the Graf Spee are on their way
home to Britain at this hour. On their return they will be honored by the Admiralty
with a dinner in London followed by the awarding of medals befitting the great valor
they showed during the engagement....”
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“This is London...Tonight the French people are reacting with fury to a sneak attack
by the Luftwaffe on Strasbourg. Though most of the bombs dropped by the Germans
fell short of their intended targets, the raid incensed the city’s residents, some of
whom lynched two unlucky German pilots who had the misfortune to bail out in the
center of town....”
DER ANGRIFF
September 17th, 1939
The Polish Barbarians Will Be Crushed!
The Cowardly British Air Raid On Baden Will Be Avenged!
NEW YORK POST
MUSSOLINI: “I WON’T GIVE UP PACT OF STEEL”
Duce Reaffirms Alliance With Hitler;
Still No Hint Whether Italy Will Mobilize
CBS RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The mystery surrounding the fate of Graf Spee captain Hans Langsdorff may be
finally resolved tonight....Within the past several hours the crew of an Argentine
fishing vessel has recovered a body they believe to be that of the German naval
commander. The body is being held at a morgue in the Argentine capital, Buenos
Aires, pending further identification....”
DETROIT FREE PRESS EVENING EDITION
GOEBBELS THREATENS GERMANY WILL “OBLITERATE” DENMARK
Calls British Troop Presence On Danish Soil “Intolerable”
TIMES OF LONDON
September 18th, 1939
MR. CHAMBERLAIN DEFENDS PRESENCE OF BRITISH GARRISON
IN DENMARK
“Nazis Intended To Invade Danish Territory”, Asserts Prime Minister
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
SOVIET TROOPS SEIZE CRITICAL RAILWAY JUNCTURE
EAST OF WARSAW
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The German foreign ministry is disclosing tonight that two senior German navy
officials have been dispatched to Argentina to determine whether or not the body
recovered yesterday by Argentine fishermen and currently being held at a Buenos
Aires morgue is that of missing Graf Spee captain Hans Langsdorff....”
BOSTON EVENING POST
BRITISH, GERMAN WARPLANES IN MAJOR AIR BATTLE
OVER DUSSELDORF; LOSSES UNKNOWN
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
September 20th, 1939
EXTRA--BOR-KOMORSKY BELIEVED DEAD
Authorities In Warsaw Say Body Found In Bombed-Out Army Depot
May Be That Of Missing Polish Leader
DEUTSCHE ALLGEMEINE ZEITUNG
GLORIOUS VICTORIES FOR OUR SOLDIERS!
British Division Smashed At Wiesbaden!
French Surrender At Mannheim!
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The French war ministry has denied German claims of a mass surrender of French
army troops at the city of Mannheim....Meanwhile, the Polish embassy in Washington
has confirmed the tragic news that the body found in the ruins of a bombed-out army
depot is in fact Thadeusz Bor-Komorowski...”
NEW YORK TIMES EVENING EDITION
LATE EXTRA--POLISH CABINET IN EMERGENCY SESSION
TO CHOOSE SUCCESSOR TO BOR-KOMOROWSKY
WASHINGTON POST
September 21st, 1939
NEW POLISH PRIME MINISTER SIKORSKI TAKES OFFICE,
VOWS “BOR-KOMOROWSKY’S DEATH WILL BE AVENGED”
Roosevelt Offers Condolences To Polish Government
BALTIMORE SUN AFTERNOON EDITION
FRITZ KUHN ARRESTED
Turncoat Leader of German-American Bund Apprehended
After Anonymous Tip To FBI Ties Him To Nazi Espionage Plot
An Alternate History Of The First Days Of The Second World War
PART 4
WASHINGTON STAR
September 16th, 1939
GENERAL BOR-KOMOROWSKY’S FATE STILL UNKNOWN
Radio, Phone Lines In Warsaw Disabled By German Bombing
SYDNEY MORNING HERALD
DEFENCE MINISTER STREET VOICES CONCERN
OVER JAPANESE INTENTIONS IN PACIFIC
Suggests Conflict In Europe May Incite Tokyo Expansionists
To Threaten British, French Territories In Southeast Asia
BBC HOME SERVICE NEWS BULLETIN
“The officers and enlisted crew of the Royal Navy task force which recently carried
out a successful mission to track down and destroy the Graf Spee are on their way
home to Britain at this hour. On their return they will be honored by the Admiralty
with a dinner in London followed by the awarding of medals befitting the great valor
they showed during the engagement....”
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“This is London...Tonight the French people are reacting with fury to a sneak attack
by the Luftwaffe on Strasbourg. Though most of the bombs dropped by the Germans
fell short of their intended targets, the raid incensed the city’s residents, some of
whom lynched two unlucky German pilots who had the misfortune to bail out in the
center of town....”
DER ANGRIFF
September 17th, 1939
The Polish Barbarians Will Be Crushed!
The Cowardly British Air Raid On Baden Will Be Avenged!
NEW YORK POST
MUSSOLINI: “I WON’T GIVE UP PACT OF STEEL”
Duce Reaffirms Alliance With Hitler;
Still No Hint Whether Italy Will Mobilize
CBS RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The mystery surrounding the fate of Graf Spee captain Hans Langsdorff may be
finally resolved tonight....Within the past several hours the crew of an Argentine
fishing vessel has recovered a body they believe to be that of the German naval
commander. The body is being held at a morgue in the Argentine capital, Buenos
Aires, pending further identification....”
DETROIT FREE PRESS EVENING EDITION
GOEBBELS THREATENS GERMANY WILL “OBLITERATE” DENMARK
Calls British Troop Presence On Danish Soil “Intolerable”
TIMES OF LONDON
September 18th, 1939
MR. CHAMBERLAIN DEFENDS PRESENCE OF BRITISH GARRISON
IN DENMARK
“Nazis Intended To Invade Danish Territory”, Asserts Prime Minister
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
SOVIET TROOPS SEIZE CRITICAL RAILWAY JUNCTURE
EAST OF WARSAW
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The German foreign ministry is disclosing tonight that two senior German navy
officials have been dispatched to Argentina to determine whether or not the body
recovered yesterday by Argentine fishermen and currently being held at a Buenos
Aires morgue is that of missing Graf Spee captain Hans Langsdorff....”
BOSTON EVENING POST
BRITISH, GERMAN WARPLANES IN MAJOR AIR BATTLE
OVER DUSSELDORF; LOSSES UNKNOWN
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES
September 20th, 1939
EXTRA--BOR-KOMORSKY BELIEVED DEAD
Authorities In Warsaw Say Body Found In Bombed-Out Army Depot
May Be That Of Missing Polish Leader
DEUTSCHE ALLGEMEINE ZEITUNG
GLORIOUS VICTORIES FOR OUR SOLDIERS!
British Division Smashed At Wiesbaden!
French Surrender At Mannheim!
NBC RADIO NEWS BULLETIN
“The French war ministry has denied German claims of a mass surrender of French
army troops at the city of Mannheim....Meanwhile, the Polish embassy in Washington
has confirmed the tragic news that the body found in the ruins of a bombed-out army
depot is in fact Thadeusz Bor-Komorowski...”
NEW YORK TIMES EVENING EDITION
LATE EXTRA--POLISH CABINET IN EMERGENCY SESSION
TO CHOOSE SUCCESSOR TO BOR-KOMOROWSKY
WASHINGTON POST
September 21st, 1939
NEW POLISH PRIME MINISTER SIKORSKI TAKES OFFICE,
VOWS “BOR-KOMOROWSKY’S DEATH WILL BE AVENGED”
Roosevelt Offers Condolences To Polish Government
BALTIMORE SUN AFTERNOON EDITION
FRITZ KUHN ARRESTED
Turncoat Leader of German-American Bund Apprehended
After Anonymous Tip To FBI Ties Him To Nazi Espionage Plot