The Sun Will Rise: Mary I of England has a Son

Iran is Iran, it's not a concept invented. Persia is just the anglicized name of the Parsua tribe from which sprung the Achaemenids and consequently Iranians. If you asked a "Persian" his identity he would call himself an Iranian.

Do you know the title of the Kings of Persia? It was Shahanshah - e - Eran, and this title is used by Persian Kings since Cyrus the Great till the Pahlavi dynasty's end. You can always Google it.
And mind you, Persia is what westerners knew them as, and Iran is the correct name to refer to “Persia“.

You may be an expert on western history, but you seriously got to improve your knowledge on Asian history. And if you continue to ignore my posts, well it's your choice.

Okay. I made a mistake about the name of a country since I remember the Shah referring to it as Persia before the Rvolution in '79 and literally almost all timelines and textbooks I have read refer to it as Persia. No need to get too defensive I the issue
 

VVD0D95

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Iran is Iran, it's not a concept invented. Persia is just the anglicized name of the Parsua tribe from which sprung the Achaemenids and consequently Iranians. If you asked a "Persian" his identity he would call himself an Iranian.

Do you know the title of the Kings of Persia? It was Shahanshah - e - Eran, and this title is used by Persian Kings since Cyrus the Great till the Pahlavi dynasty's end. You can always Google it.
And mind you, Persia is what westerners knew them as, and Iran is the correct name to refer to “Persia“.

You may be an expert on western history, but you seriously got to improve your knowledge on Asian history. And if you continue to ignore my posts, well it's your choice.

No one's ignoring your post mate. Chill.
 
Lol good.

Also, in regards to Afghanistan, how long do you think the empire could maintain it.

I don't think that the Afghans are going to take lying down the increasing trend of making them a minority in their own homeland, by the increasing number of Indian Hindus swarming there.

There will at least be rebellions by the Pashtun tribes with the Safavids (or whoever takes over Iran later on) financing them, just like the Mughals in OTL had to contend with. Considering the mountainous nature of the region you would have to fight a guerrilla campaign to put down a rebellion in this region as obviously any rebel would take advantage of the fact.

But I think gradual displacement of the Afghans by Indians (and of them entirely Hindus ) will help in keeping the region calm and loyal (or at least ensuring that any rebellion does not get widespread support) by the time Hindus reach a majority. But before that you might have to deal with quite a few rebellions from the Afghans (who by this time are almost completely Muslim with some Hindus in between ).
 

VVD0D95

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Alright interesting, so you don't think it is inevitable that Afghanistan would become independent?
 
Alright interesting, so you don't think it is inevitable that Afghanistan would become independent?

Currently TTL the policy of the Emperors if aiming to keep it as a loyal province, Hindus from India (like some poor farmers or merchants and the like ) will be encouraged to migrate there, so that they will eventually outnumber the Afghans later on. But it depends on the course you take for this TL.

Actually Afghanistan getting independent was never inevitable. It was under the rule of neighboring powers for most of its history (most of the time it existed as a province of Iran) and for the time it was independent most of it was in the form of small bickering states and tribes. And rarely when it was unified under a singular ruler who was a charismatic leader, it mostly fell apart after the leader died. There was not one united "Afghanistan" as such at any point in history save for under the Emir of Afghanistan (later in the 19th and 20th centuries ), and even then the Emir was at best something more than a 'first among equals' among the tribe chiefs. And existed merely because no one was interested or capable(Iran under the Qajar dynasty) of conquering them. There was never ever a identity as a an "Afghan" just the ethnicity of tribes which had it in common. "Afghans" would identify themselves as belonging to a certain tribe or ethnicity like the Pashtuns.

So it is possible that Afghanistan becomes a peaceful province of the Empire given that the Emperors undertake certain long ranging policies towards that effect. Or it is also possible that in war with the Iranians the Empire may lose it in part or whole(in case you make the Empire lose the war).
 

VVD0D95

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1620

In the Vatican, the Pope, buoyed by the success of the Tenth Crusade, begins looking into the work of Galilei, and as he looks over it, he becomes convinced the man is a heretic. But sensing that good will toward the church is so hard fought for, he decides, against his better judgement to let the man go. He also sends several letters to the Patriarch of Constantinople, urging for there to be a council, where they can put their differences aside. After all, the Turk might be gone, but there remain threats to them in the Protestant menace. When his letters are received well, a date is set for the next year, and a meeting in Adrianople is set. The anticipation fills in the Vatican and the Catholic and Eastern world with the possibility of a reconciliation thousand years in the making. The Pope’s ill health is a small obstacle.

In Damascus, the Shah of Persia meets with the Papal ambassador. He wines and dines him, shows him the sites in the ancient city, and then when that is done, he gets to business. The talk of restoring the Kingdom of Jerusalem intrigues the Shah, whilst he is a Muslim, he is more tolerant than some of his other brethren, and finding an ally in the Middle East would be particularly useful. He asks who the new King of Jerusalem would be, and when told that the House of Savoy would be chosen, he nods, not really knowing who they are. The negotiations end with the Shah agreeing to restoring the Kingdom of Jerusalem, to be made up of: Jerusalem, Acre, Jaffa, Ascalon and Tyre. When pushed about Antioch, the Shah states that it is not for him to decide on that matter, instead it is for the people of the region to decide. A formal invitation is extended to the House of Savoy to claim the crown by the Papacy, and though Charles Emmanuel, the Duke of Savoy renounces his rights to the crown, his son Vittorio Amedeo gladly accepts. Upon arriving in Jerusalem himself, the man is crowned Vittorio I of Jerusalem, witnessed by the people of Jerusalem, and by the Shah of Iran and the Papal legate.

In India, the Emperor begins rooting out supporters for Chanakya, killing them off slowly. Though more and more slowly begin to sprout throughout the empire. His armies are hunkered down in engagements throughout the empire, Afghanistan seems the only stable region. Chanakya himself remains elusive, never venturing out of his hiding place. But directing operations. Eventually, the Emperor having defeated several armies at once, finds a location and marches there. Chanakya is not there, but his family are. The Emperor destroys them, and drags their bodies back to the capital, where they are left to rot. A clear message to the man.

In England, King Philip, an old man, who celebrated his diamond jubilee whilst on Crusade, arranges the marriage of his grandson, Prince Philip, to Princess Maria, daughter of King Carlos III of Spain, and sister to King Carlos IV of Spain. The marriage takes place in Westminster Abbey, and sees the Prince created Duke of Cambridge. And whilst, there is good news on that front, there is also bad news, King Philip receives word from Prague, that his daughter Mary, married to the Duke of Further Austria had died from fever. It is this grief that fills the King for a brief time, leaving government in the hands of his son the Prince of Wales. Eventually, though the King recovers, and sets about releasing Henry, Duke of Rothesay from captivity. He also, begins deciding who will succeed him where in his territories. In his will, he gives Normandy to his son Prince William, whilst giving the Kingdom of Lothringia to his second son Arthur, Duke of York. This is done with consent of the Dutch estates. He also approves the request from Walter Raleigh to name a town in what is now Maryland as Philipstown after him.
 
Good for both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches that they're starting to work together and put aside their differences. With the last sentence you make it sound like there is a chance that Paul might die next year for his OTL date. If he does though there won't be too much of an issue as his successor was chosen in a month and Pope Gregory XV was a confirmed reformer who wanted to try and end the superstitious persecution of witchcraft and wanted to keep the Papacy out of Temporal conflicts in Central Europe that were not a part of religion. So if Gregory does become Pope next year then he'll still want to work with the Orthodox and try and listen to their demands and concerns. Hopefully Paul does live past 1621 though and will see the end of the council. Overall if the Pope is going to try and bring the Orthodox back into the Catholic Church they should be given autonomy and still practice some cultural rights but the Patriarchs would need to swear fealty to the Pope. Here is what needs to happen if it does come through:
  1. All saints that were only canonized by one side needs to be recognized by both Churches. Ex: Saint Thomas Aquanis would become a Saint in the Orthodox Church and Saint Daniel of Moscow becomes a Catholic Saint.
  2. The Pope is the leader of both the Catholic and Orthodox Church but there are certain matters of the Orthodox Church that the Pope cannot interfere in. Members of the Orthodox rite can become elected to the Papacy and the Patriarchs gain a seat in the College of Cardinals.
  3. Sacraments administered by both Churches need to accept performing them on members of the other faith. A Catholic can be married, receive communion, or confession by an Orthodox priest and Vice-Versa.
  4. Priests of the Orthodox Church may be permitted to be married but a married priest cannot become a Bishop. All priests must have been married before being ordained and cannot become married after.
  5. Bibles that are used in the Orthodox Church are permitted to be printed in their respective language but must have the same text as the Latin Bible in order to prevent misinterpretation.
  6. All Orthodox Missions and Holy Orders are to be integrated under the Vatican and as such must receive the same amount of support as the Latin Missions for their respective objectives.
  7. The Patriarch may still be chosen by the ruler of their region but the successor must be approved by the Pope first.
  8. A Pope cannot excommunicate an Orthodox worshiper without direct consultation and agreement with the Patriarch of their respective Church.
  9. All Holy artifacts and locations must allow admittance to both Catholics and Orthodox. The Holy Land shall be jointly run by members of both Churches in regards to the holy sites in and around Jerusalem.
  10. The Catholic Church must support the reestablishment of the Patriarchies of Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch.
  11. Protestantism is to be treated as a heresy by both faiths.
  12. A Second Council may be formed at a later date to agree upon common creeds and theological beliefs that both churches may share.
You don't have to go in depth as I did but these are some ideas on how to tackle the big issues. We'll wait and see what happens but it will hopefully go well as relations are in the positive right now.

As for other parts of the story I was really surprised at how the Kingdom of Jerusalem was reformed. I was expecting a Eleventh Crusade to be launched at a later date to reclaim it from the Ottoman Remnants but apparently the Shah is pretty cool with it and he already had the land. As long as Shi'ites are allowed to visit Jerusalem and live in peace then there shouldn't be any huge conflicts with Iran/Persia. In relation to the above paragraph the Orthodox also need to be treated well. Looking forward to seeing if they last to modern day.

I find it ironic that AFGHANISTAN is the sane region of India. Eventually it will become a major issue but thankfully the low amount of Hindus is actually preventing any widespread rebellion. Will the Shah try to take the region at a later date? And what is the status of Buddhists in Hindustan?

Good for Phillip by the way in creating the English Empire. Things shouldn't go too bad after his death as he treated his sons equally and gave the spares significant territories to rule over. I can see William focusing his reign on developing the colonies in North America and finding new routes to Asia with the Middle East now no longer being hostile to Christians.
 

VVD0D95

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Oh aye, re the kingdom of Jerusalem the ottoman governors there had sort of realised that resistance was futile. The shah was invited in, and then the new King was invited in as well.
 

VVD0D95

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1621

In Adrianople, the most hotly anticipated meeting of the century begins. Pope Paul V, and Patriarch Cyril meet, to discuss potentially unifying the two churches together for the first time since their great split a thousand years ago. The Council lasts for most of the year as both sides discuss what they want and how they want it implemented. The main things discussed are as follows: All saints that were only canonized by one side needs to be recognized by both Churches, for Example: Saint Thomas Aquinas would become a Saint in the Orthodox Church and Saint Daniel of Moscow becomes a Catholic Saint. The Pope is the leader of both the Catholic and Orthodox Church but there are certain matters of the Orthodox Church that the Pope cannot interfere in. Members of the Orthodox rite can become elected to the Papacy and the Patriarchs gain a seat in the College of Cardinals. Sacraments administered by both Churches need to accept performing them on members of the other faith. A Catholic can be married, receive communion, or confession by an Orthodox priest and Vice-Versa. Priests of the Orthodox Church may be permitted to be married but a married priest cannot become a Bishop. All priests must have been married before being ordained and cannot become married after. Bibles that are used in the Orthodox Church are permitted to be printed in their respective language but must have the same text as the Latin Bible in order to prevent misinterpretation. All Orthodox Missions and Holy Orders are to be integrated under the Vatican and as such must receive the same amount of support as the Latin Missions for their respective objectives. The Patriarch may still be chosen by the ruler of their region but the successor must be approved by the Pope first. A Pope cannot excommunicate an Orthodox worshiper without direct consultation and agreement with the Patriarch of their respective Church. All Holy artefacts and locations must allow admittance to both Catholics and Orthodox. The Holy Land shall be jointly run by members of both Churches in regards to the holy sites in and around Jerusalem. The Catholic Church must support the reestablishment of the Patriarchies of Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch. Protestantism is to be treated as a heresy by both faiths. A Second Council may be formed at a later date to agree upon common creeds and theological beliefs that both churches may share. For a time it seems that this will lead to an agreement between the two leaders, but eventually disagreements break out, as both sides feel that the other is demanding too much of them, and they cannot quite agree as to what their stance should be on things such as Galileo and his discoveries and other sources of learning that have come from the east. You also have the issue of Protestantism, which both consider to be a heresy, but one that they feel needs to be dealt with in different matters. Eventually, Pope Paul’s ailing health stalls any proper negotiations, and as such, the council is put on hold until the man gets better. That he continues to remain in his sick bed, means the council is suspended until the following year.

In the Low Countries, King Philip meets with the nobles and discusses the succession of his son Arthur, Duke of York to the throne after Philip is dead. Arthur, having been raised a Catholic sees the Protestant Faith as a heresy, but as Philip and later Arthur put it, he is willing to overlook that and take the throne, he will even allow the nobles to control their own style of worship, so long as they respect his authority in regards to the law and taxation. After a lot of debate, the nobles eventually come back and accept this offer. Arthur is formally proclaimed Prince Royal as Heir to the Kingdom of Lothringia, and remains in Brussels serving as his father’s official governor there. He comes to terms with the politics of the region and brings his wife and children over as well. Soon enough, the prospective royal family come to be regarded very well by the people and the nobility, for their austere lifestyle and their promotion of low country interests.

In the New World, Sir Walter Raleigh continues to explore the new area he has found, stumbling across several points of access that could well lead to future development of trade. As he and his people begin trading with the locals, they soon learn about land further south, beginning what will come to be known as the great expedition. Raleigh will continue to write to the King, informing him of his findings and making suggestions about what can and cannot be done. The year ends with Raleigh landing at what will come to be known as Prince’s Town, Virginia. Though at the time it is nothing more than small village filled with huts.

In India, the Emperor sits and waits. He knows Chanakya will eventually emerge from his hideout, the man has been disgraced, his supporters destroyed, his family annihilated. Eventually the man arrives, in front of the royal palace, and demands to speak to the Emperor. The Emperor comes out, and instead of speaking to the man, challenges him to a duel. A duel which he wins, mounting the man’s head atop a spike, and summoning all Princes to the Imperial Palace, he issues a decree that states that from now on administration shall be done from the Palace, and Princes will only be allowed to return to their homes under express permission from the Emperor.
 
Wow so the Princes's domains have been confiscated and annexed to the Empire. Good.

And wait! The Catholic Church accepted the filioque clause? Or the Orthodox Patriarch aligned his views along with that of the Western Church?
 
Hopefully the Council turns out alright. I think the terms gave out an equal amount to both sides and some agreement should be reached. But we'll see.

Why is Virginia still called that TTL? OTL Virginia was named after Queen Elizabeth I, the "virgin queen". Without Elizabeth becoming Queen of England the colony should be called Maryland as a whole and could perhaps include Delaware or OTL Maryland.

Pretty badass way of the Emperor to end the rebellion. Nice to see India centralized for a change.
 

VVD0D95

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Hopefully the Council turns out alright. I think the terms gave out an equal amount to both sides and some agreement should be reached. But we'll see.

Why is Virginia still called that TTL? OTL Virginia was named after Queen Elizabeth I, the "virgin queen". Without Elizabeth becoming Queen of England the colony should be called Maryland as a whole and could perhaps include Delaware or OTL Maryland.

Pretty badass way of the Emperor to end the rebellion. Nice to see India centralized for a change.

Virginia is called as it was otl, due to reasons that are made clear later on in the timeline.
 

VVD0D95

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1622

In Adrianople, Pope Paul finally recovers. And as such the council resumes. Points are hammered home, amended, and eventually changed. There are arguments, bitter disputes and long held grievances are aired. A thousand years of suspicion and grudges will do that. Indeed, it seems that the presence of the Byzantine Emperor, Maximillian, is the only thing that can help soothe the tensions. A rapturous argument breaks out though, and as such, the Council closes yet another session, with nothing more solid decided, though Maximillian has now broached the topic of Egypt.

In Lisbon, King Sebastien of Portugal, and his cousin King Carlos of Spain meet. Determined to continue the crusader fever that had gripped them, they sign a pact of alliance and begin preparing for an invasion of Morocco. The northern African country is currently undergoing a civil war, and the Catholic Kings feel that this is the perfect time to take advantage of it. Amassing quite the sizeable host, both Kings set sail from Gibraltar, and land in Ceuta, a province that once belonged to the Portuguese, loyalties are hard to kill there, and as such, the city opens its gates to the invading Kings. Taking stock of the situation, the two Kings decide to spread their forces. King Carlos and his Spaniards shall head southwards, whilst King Sebastien and his Portuguese shall hug the coast and head toward their first big goal of Tangier. The forces divide and Carlos and his Spaniards find the easy pickings, taking Tétouan, with little to no difficulty. Though King Carlos orders the massacre of any and all Muslims who refuse to bend the knee. King Sebastien moves toward Tangier, reminders of a humiliating defeat echoing in his mind. The King is older and wiser now, and knows that cutting off the access to the port will be crucial. Hence an order to the Portuguese navy to bombard the port with cannon fire whilst the land force does the same to the city walls. The assault on Tangier lasts for most of the year, and ends with the gates opening. The Moroccan Civil War has finally become a sideshow within the nation.

In Scotland, King James VI dies in his bed in Falkland Palace. His son Henry, Duke of Rothesay is proclaimed King and is crowned at Moot Hill as tradition dictates. Henry’s son is proclaimed Duke of Rothesay through royal decree. Henry begins a progress of his Kingdom where he meets with lords and the people, learning of their issues and promising to fix them. King Henry, having spent many years in prison in England, is aware of the risks of angering his father in law and so makes no promises in regards to the border. Instead he meets with travellers and sailors and begins gathering funds for Scotland to fund its own travels to the New World. All the while, observing the climate within his kingdom and planning a move of sweeping reforms. Henry also arranges the marriage of his son James, Duke of Rothesay to a daughter of King Henry IV of France, the marriage takes place part way through the year.

In India, the Emperor faces the first new test of his new regime. A dispute arising between two Princes in Rajput is brought before him. As neither Prince has been to their homes in nearly a year, they do not know the exact straights of the land or border they are disputing, but both lay claim to it. The Emperor listens to their claims and then consults with his own legal consuls and decides in favour of the Younger Prince, claiming that that Prince has the best right through historical precedence. The Older Prince is angered by this but accepts the judgement and writes to his soldiers to back down. All Princes who observed this dispute mutter amongst themselves, but all agree that this system seems more effective. Especially when the annual tax readings are read out, and tax has been collected properly for the first time since before Chanakya’s rebellion. Furthermore, the Emperor being seen as conducting his business in front of all the Princes, creates a more familiar sense and understanding amongst them, thus they are more likely to understand why he is doing what he is doing. This proves most true, when the Emperor sees his son Prince Bharat, betrothed and then married to Raya, Princess of Gandhara, a good marriage that secures the Empire’s northern most border, and ensures that a troublesome province is brought firmly under control.
 
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