I love Pop-culture TL's and this one is a real beautyLooking forward to more.
Thank you very much!
More should be coming pretty soon.
jerseyrules said:
Currently he's being a first-term governor of a large-ish swing state.
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Thank you very much!
More should be coming pretty soon.
Currently he's being a first-term governor of a large-ish swing state.
Oh, I almost forgot since Jame Cameron is involved in this will it lead to earlier or better CGI in movies? Also I thought it would be an alternate history irony if instead of him doing Titanic it gets passed along to someone else and it becomes a huge bomb/flop. But I guess we'll have to wait and see
OK, the update may take a little longer than originally planned. I have been working on it over the past day or so, but it's taking longer than I thought it would. No promises on tonight. Sorry.
no need to be sorry, this is good stuff. don't rush it on our accounts.
Major Cabinet of the Cuomo Administration
President of the United States: Mario Matthew Cuomo (52nd Governor of New York, 1983-1992, previously Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State of New York)
Vice President of the United States: William Jefferson “Bill” Clinton (40th and 42nd Governor of Arkansas, 1977-1981 and 1983-1992, previously Attorney General of Arkansas)
Secretary of State: Daniel Patrick Moynihan (United States Senator from New York, 1977-1993, previously the 12th US Ambassador to the United Nations and the 10th US Ambassador to India)
Secretary of the Treasury: Paul Krugman (Prominent New Keynesian economist, 1991 winner of the American Economic Association’s John Bates Clark Medal)
Secretary of Defense: Sam Nunn (United States Senator from Georgia, 1972-1993)
Attorney General: Stephen L. Carter (Professor at Yale Law School, Yale University)
Appointments as a Result of Cabinet Selections:
Georgia: Governor Zell Miller, after considering Georgia Secretary of State Max Cleland and State Representative Roy Barnes, decided to assign Sam Nunn’s vacant Senate seat to five-term Congressman George “Buddy” Darden. This sparked some controversy with liberals, as Buddy Darden was considered a conservative Democrat. As per state laws, the new Senator would not be subject to a special election and would serve in Washington until at least January 3rd, 1997.
New York: Stan Lundine, who had himself succeeded Mario Cuomo as Governor when the latter became President, appointed former Congressman and Mayor of New York City Ed Koch to fill out the rest of Dan Moynihan’s term. This was a move made to gain bipartisan support, as Koch had demonstrated heavy cross-party appeal as Mayor (in the 1981 race he was nominated by both the Democrats and Republicans). The new Senator easily won a special election to defend his seat in late 1993, and promised that, if elected to a full term in the 1994 midterms, he would retire after that term.
Filming on Watchmen Begins
Principal photography for Watchmen began in early March, 1993. Initially, James Cameron had hoped to shoot every seen on location (or, at least, as close to on location as possible- filming in Antarctica would have been prohibitively time consuming and expensive, and filming on Mars would be outside even Cameron’s reach for the moment). However, after he had finished scouting locations in New Mexico and California to double as the Red Planet, the director was left unsatisfied. He wanted a location “suitably alien” to portray Mars. Finally, Cameron suggested the day before filming in New York (the first location) that sets be built in Pinewood Studios in the UK to simulate not only Vietnam and Antarctica, but Mars as well. This inflated the film’s budget by $15 million, but the studio still acquiesced.
A variety of locations in the Big Apple were used for Watchmen. Special permission was given to use certain buildings in the Rockefeller Center to convey Veidt’s corporate headquarters, while the creative use of several square blocks in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, were dressed to portray the “underworld” of the comics (in fact, astute viewers could tell that many of the same spots were also used in the shooting of Spike Lee’s Do The Right Thing several years earlier).
Trouble brewed regarding the filming of the riot scene. Cameron had planned to hire several hundred locals as extras for filming the social unrest that, in the universe of Watchmen, would lead to the passage of the “Keene Act” in 1977, which banned costumed vigilantism. When Mayor David Dinkins heard this, he grew worried, and requested a meeting with the director. Dinkins' concerns were that the use of some many local New Yorkers as extras in the filming of the riots could “get out of hand”, as only two years before two serious bouts of civil disturbance had rocked the city. Cameron was deeply offended by the insinuation that his production could “cause a fuckin’ riot”, but he (perhaps surprisingly, knowing the director) agreed. Casting calls for extras were told to cut their numbers by several hundred to several dozen. The new plan was to use these individuals for the rioters near the front of the crowd, in addition to stunt actors would actually take part in the fight scenes with Russell’s and Campbell’s character, while their numbers would be digitally augmented. The effect was to give a relatively small crowd of characters more depth, with the real actors being used to give the impression that the crowd was larger than it really was. [1] More on special effects later.
The only other bump in the NYC shoot was during the filming of the flashback scene where Rorschach (Mark Hamill) commits his first murder, that of a man (played by actor Scott Wilson) that butchered a small girl and fed the remains to his dogs. A run-down, abandoned house in Brooklyn was purchased by the production company to serve as the location. The scene called for the house to be set on fire as part of the deathtrap for Wilson’s character. However, there was a malfunction in the pyrotechnics department, and a real, uncontrolled fire that threatened to engulf nearby buildings was soon ablaze. The Fire Department was quickly called, but not before Mark Hamill, still in full costume, came out to stare in horror at the fire. Cameron was also present and, impressed by the visuals, he grabbed the nearest cameras and started rolling. He particularly liked the intensity of the stare Hamill was giving the conflagration. “And right there, Mark’s back the me, the fire blazing in front of him”, Cameron later recalled, “that was the panel in the comic. That was it. That was it. No amount of reshooting the panel under controlled conditions could come anywhere near the same effect. When I later caught up with the guy who started the fire, I gave him a big hug.” Luckily, firemen showed up to the scene before there were any injuries or any major damage to other buildings.
After filming in America wrapped up in America, it was off to Pinewood Studios in Britain. Nearly all of the non-New York scenes were filmed either on or near the studios. For instance, the Vietnam battle sequence was shot in the Beckton Gas Works on the Isle of Dogs near London, where, coincidentally (or maybe not), part of Stanley Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket was filmed in the late 1980’s [2].
Antarctica and Mars each required complicated sets, along with the enhancement of computer imagery. Though Brent Spiner was to be “present” in most of his scenes (Doctor Manhattan would be “portrayed” by a digitally-rendered model, which was voiced by Spiner), the actor was present during the filming of all of his character’s scenes, as Cameron required him to be the stand-in for Doctor Manhattan as well, so the other actors could play off of him. One day, after goading from costar Arnold Schwarzenegger, Spiner pranked the director by showing up to the shooting of the Mars scenes in full Data costume and makeup. Cameron thought this was hilarious, and let the filming commence as normal (it’s not like it mattered, as no one would see it in the final product). Footage of “Data Manhattan” would later become an “Easter Egg” on the first DVD release of Watchmen.
After several months of mostly smooth sailing, shooting on Watchmen would end in the middle of July. Now came the fun part: post-production.
Stargate’s Casting Problems Sorted Out
MGM executives were skeptical of the plan to cast Richard Dean Anderson as Colonel O’Neil. However, after seeing footage of his audition, they relented. Still, the question remained as to who would be the “star power” to pull in the audiences. Director Roland Emmerich tried to object, saying the spectacle of Stargate would be enough on its own to get people interested. It was his producer Mario Kassar who pulled him aside and said “Look, if you really believed that line of bullshit, then why were you trying so hard to get Kurt (Russell) on board in the beginning?”
Emmerich and Devlin badly wanted James Spader, of Pretty in Pink and Sex, Lies, and Videotape fame, for the role of the eccentric Dr. Daniel Jackson, who discovers the code to unlocking the titular Stargate. However, the studio was more interested in Jeff Goldblum, who after the success of The Fly and Jurassic Park was at the height of his career. Eventually, the director relented, not wanting to risk keeping Spader and having to take part in another lengthy search for their lead military man. With that, Goldblum joined the cast as Daniel Jackson.
Due to delays, though, the actress originally signed on to play Sha’re, Mili Avital, had to drop out. Frustrated, they now had to find another actress, and quick. It was Angelina Jolie, daughter of actor Jon Voight and a newcomer to the film world, who was quickly hired to fill in the role of Jackson’s love interest.
Finally, with filming delayed several times, Stargate had a cast and was ready to start filming.
Late 1993 Political Events
-As aforementioned, conservative Republican Senator Bruce Herschensohn of California resigned due to a stripper scandal. Libertarian Republican Tom Campbell was picked to replace him, and he now has to face a special election in 1994, where Barbara Boxer wants a second go at it…
-In late August of 1993, Cuomo managed to get liberal Constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe confirmed as Byron White’s successor on the Supreme Court. It was very close, though, with several prominent Republicans threatening to “bork” the Harvard professor as hard as they could (a reference to the ill-fated appointment of conservative Robert Bork to the highest court in the land under Ronald Reagan, which has not been forgotten by the GOP). Some of the rhetoric thrown around has alarmed the average American as to the political stratification going on in Washington…
-The Brady Act passed, and Cuomo’s “legislative signature”, the National Healthcare Act, is well on its way to seeing the light of day. This has led to huge conservative backlash (Congressman Alan Keyes called it “a stepping stone to communist dictatorship”), and opinion polls are starting to favor a Republican surge in the 1994 midterms…
-Several important state elections took place in 1993. George Allen became Governor in Virginia, as did Christine Todd Whitman in New Jersey, but the big one was the recall drive in Louisiana against David Duke. States laws allow for ballot initiatives of this variety, which a huge bipartisan majority of the legislature was eager to support. Technically, no reason had to be given for a recall, but the reasons were clear: Duke was a disgrace to the state. He used to gubernatorial bully pulpit to spew hateful rhetoric against Jews, blacks, homosexuals, and others he disliked. None of the legislation he proposed, even on matters unrelated to race, were accepted by the legislature. The final straw, though, was when Duke invited several far-right leaders from across the globe, including the British National Party’s John Tyndall, Afrikaner separatist Eugene Terre’Blanche, and members of Germany’s National Democratic Party to a “White Leadership Forum” in early 1993.
Two ballot initiatives were to be voted in in November, 1993 for Louisianans. The first was for the question of whether Duke should be recalled, and who should replace him. The second was whether the “jungle primary”, or open primary, system in Louisiana should be replaced by a more standard method of voting, similar to the rest of the United States, where a party had to nominate a candidate beforehand and there was no “instant run-off”. An overwhelming majority of Louisianans agreed that Duke should be removed (66% to 34%), and more narrowly agreed to end their unique method of election (51.5% to 48.5%), which many blamed for giving David Duke the chance to be elected. Most surprising, though, was who got a narrow plurality of votes to become the new Governor…
Both Edwin Edwards and Buddy Roemer were on the ballot, but the “unity candidate” was W. Fox McKeithen, a former state representative and current Louisiana Secretary of State. Though he was a Republican, he was a Democrat until 1989 and the son of a popular former Governor, John McKeithen. The younger McKeithen would be inaugurated the next January with his father present, ready to face the new year…
[1] Now I believe this tactic was used by Cameron when he filmed Titanic a couple years down the line in our timeline.
[2] Yeah, fun fact- all of Full Metal Jacket, from the barracks in South Carolina to the ruins of Vietnam, was filmed in England! Kubrick was afraid of flying.
...
Thoughts?
President of the United States: Mario Matthew Cuomo (52nd Governor of New York, 1983-1992, previously Lieutenant Governor and Secretary of State of New York)
Vice President of the United States: William Jefferson “Bill” Clinton (40th and 42nd Governor of Arkansas, 1977-1981 and 1983-1992, previously Attorney General of Arkansas)
Secretary of State: Daniel Patrick Moynihan (United States Senator from New York, 1977-1993, previously the 12th US Ambassador to the United Nations and the 10th US Ambassador to India)
Secretary of the Treasury: Paul Krugman (Prominent New Keynesian economist, 1991 winner of the American Economic Association’s John Bates Clark Medal)
Secretary of Defense: Sam Nunn (United States Senator from Georgia, 1972-1993)
Attorney General: Stephen L. Carter (Professor at Yale Law School, Yale University)
Appointments as a Result of Cabinet Selections:
Georgia: Governor Zell Miller, after considering Georgia Secretary of State Max Cleland and State Representative Roy Barnes, decided to assign Sam Nunn’s vacant Senate seat to five-term Congressman George “Buddy” Darden. This sparked some controversy with liberals, as Buddy Darden was considered a conservative Democrat. As per state laws, the new Senator would not be subject to a special election and would serve in Washington until at least January 3rd, 1997.
New York: Stan Lundine, who had himself succeeded Mario Cuomo as Governor when the latter became President, appointed former Congressman and Mayor of New York City Ed Koch to fill out the rest of Dan Moynihan’s term. This was a move made to gain bipartisan support, as Koch had demonstrated heavy cross-party appeal as Mayor (in the 1981 race he was nominated by both the Democrats and Republicans). The new Senator easily won a special election to defend his seat in late 1993, and promised that, if elected to a full term in the 1994 midterms, he would retire after that term.
Filming on Watchmen Begins
Principal photography for Watchmen began in early March, 1993. Initially, James Cameron had hoped to shoot every seen on location (or, at least, as close to on location as possible- filming in Antarctica would have been prohibitively time consuming and expensive, and filming on Mars would be outside even Cameron’s reach for the moment). However, after he had finished scouting locations in New Mexico and California to double as the Red Planet, the director was left unsatisfied. He wanted a location “suitably alien” to portray Mars. Finally, Cameron suggested the day before filming in New York (the first location) that sets be built in Pinewood Studios in the UK to simulate not only Vietnam and Antarctica, but Mars as well. This inflated the film’s budget by $15 million, but the studio still acquiesced.
A variety of locations in the Big Apple were used for Watchmen. Special permission was given to use certain buildings in the Rockefeller Center to convey Veidt’s corporate headquarters, while the creative use of several square blocks in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, were dressed to portray the “underworld” of the comics (in fact, astute viewers could tell that many of the same spots were also used in the shooting of Spike Lee’s Do The Right Thing several years earlier).
Trouble brewed regarding the filming of the riot scene. Cameron had planned to hire several hundred locals as extras for filming the social unrest that, in the universe of Watchmen, would lead to the passage of the “Keene Act” in 1977, which banned costumed vigilantism. When Mayor David Dinkins heard this, he grew worried, and requested a meeting with the director. Dinkins' concerns were that the use of some many local New Yorkers as extras in the filming of the riots could “get out of hand”, as only two years before two serious bouts of civil disturbance had rocked the city. Cameron was deeply offended by the insinuation that his production could “cause a fuckin’ riot”, but he (perhaps surprisingly, knowing the director) agreed. Casting calls for extras were told to cut their numbers by several hundred to several dozen. The new plan was to use these individuals for the rioters near the front of the crowd, in addition to stunt actors would actually take part in the fight scenes with Russell’s and Campbell’s character, while their numbers would be digitally augmented. The effect was to give a relatively small crowd of characters more depth, with the real actors being used to give the impression that the crowd was larger than it really was. [1] More on special effects later.
The only other bump in the NYC shoot was during the filming of the flashback scene where Rorschach (Mark Hamill) commits his first murder, that of a man (played by actor Scott Wilson) that butchered a small girl and fed the remains to his dogs. A run-down, abandoned house in Brooklyn was purchased by the production company to serve as the location. The scene called for the house to be set on fire as part of the deathtrap for Wilson’s character. However, there was a malfunction in the pyrotechnics department, and a real, uncontrolled fire that threatened to engulf nearby buildings was soon ablaze. The Fire Department was quickly called, but not before Mark Hamill, still in full costume, came out to stare in horror at the fire. Cameron was also present and, impressed by the visuals, he grabbed the nearest cameras and started rolling. He particularly liked the intensity of the stare Hamill was giving the conflagration. “And right there, Mark’s back the me, the fire blazing in front of him”, Cameron later recalled, “that was the panel in the comic. That was it. That was it. No amount of reshooting the panel under controlled conditions could come anywhere near the same effect. When I later caught up with the guy who started the fire, I gave him a big hug.” Luckily, firemen showed up to the scene before there were any injuries or any major damage to other buildings.
After filming in America wrapped up in America, it was off to Pinewood Studios in Britain. Nearly all of the non-New York scenes were filmed either on or near the studios. For instance, the Vietnam battle sequence was shot in the Beckton Gas Works on the Isle of Dogs near London, where, coincidentally (or maybe not), part of Stanley Kubrick’s Full Metal Jacket was filmed in the late 1980’s [2].
Antarctica and Mars each required complicated sets, along with the enhancement of computer imagery. Though Brent Spiner was to be “present” in most of his scenes (Doctor Manhattan would be “portrayed” by a digitally-rendered model, which was voiced by Spiner), the actor was present during the filming of all of his character’s scenes, as Cameron required him to be the stand-in for Doctor Manhattan as well, so the other actors could play off of him. One day, after goading from costar Arnold Schwarzenegger, Spiner pranked the director by showing up to the shooting of the Mars scenes in full Data costume and makeup. Cameron thought this was hilarious, and let the filming commence as normal (it’s not like it mattered, as no one would see it in the final product). Footage of “Data Manhattan” would later become an “Easter Egg” on the first DVD release of Watchmen.
After several months of mostly smooth sailing, shooting on Watchmen would end in the middle of July. Now came the fun part: post-production.
Stargate’s Casting Problems Sorted Out
MGM executives were skeptical of the plan to cast Richard Dean Anderson as Colonel O’Neil. However, after seeing footage of his audition, they relented. Still, the question remained as to who would be the “star power” to pull in the audiences. Director Roland Emmerich tried to object, saying the spectacle of Stargate would be enough on its own to get people interested. It was his producer Mario Kassar who pulled him aside and said “Look, if you really believed that line of bullshit, then why were you trying so hard to get Kurt (Russell) on board in the beginning?”
Emmerich and Devlin badly wanted James Spader, of Pretty in Pink and Sex, Lies, and Videotape fame, for the role of the eccentric Dr. Daniel Jackson, who discovers the code to unlocking the titular Stargate. However, the studio was more interested in Jeff Goldblum, who after the success of The Fly and Jurassic Park was at the height of his career. Eventually, the director relented, not wanting to risk keeping Spader and having to take part in another lengthy search for their lead military man. With that, Goldblum joined the cast as Daniel Jackson.
Due to delays, though, the actress originally signed on to play Sha’re, Mili Avital, had to drop out. Frustrated, they now had to find another actress, and quick. It was Angelina Jolie, daughter of actor Jon Voight and a newcomer to the film world, who was quickly hired to fill in the role of Jackson’s love interest.
Finally, with filming delayed several times, Stargate had a cast and was ready to start filming.
Late 1993 Political Events
-As aforementioned, conservative Republican Senator Bruce Herschensohn of California resigned due to a stripper scandal. Libertarian Republican Tom Campbell was picked to replace him, and he now has to face a special election in 1994, where Barbara Boxer wants a second go at it…
-In late August of 1993, Cuomo managed to get liberal Constitutional scholar Laurence Tribe confirmed as Byron White’s successor on the Supreme Court. It was very close, though, with several prominent Republicans threatening to “bork” the Harvard professor as hard as they could (a reference to the ill-fated appointment of conservative Robert Bork to the highest court in the land under Ronald Reagan, which has not been forgotten by the GOP). Some of the rhetoric thrown around has alarmed the average American as to the political stratification going on in Washington…
-The Brady Act passed, and Cuomo’s “legislative signature”, the National Healthcare Act, is well on its way to seeing the light of day. This has led to huge conservative backlash (Congressman Alan Keyes called it “a stepping stone to communist dictatorship”), and opinion polls are starting to favor a Republican surge in the 1994 midterms…
-Several important state elections took place in 1993. George Allen became Governor in Virginia, as did Christine Todd Whitman in New Jersey, but the big one was the recall drive in Louisiana against David Duke. States laws allow for ballot initiatives of this variety, which a huge bipartisan majority of the legislature was eager to support. Technically, no reason had to be given for a recall, but the reasons were clear: Duke was a disgrace to the state. He used to gubernatorial bully pulpit to spew hateful rhetoric against Jews, blacks, homosexuals, and others he disliked. None of the legislation he proposed, even on matters unrelated to race, were accepted by the legislature. The final straw, though, was when Duke invited several far-right leaders from across the globe, including the British National Party’s John Tyndall, Afrikaner separatist Eugene Terre’Blanche, and members of Germany’s National Democratic Party to a “White Leadership Forum” in early 1993.
Two ballot initiatives were to be voted in in November, 1993 for Louisianans. The first was for the question of whether Duke should be recalled, and who should replace him. The second was whether the “jungle primary”, or open primary, system in Louisiana should be replaced by a more standard method of voting, similar to the rest of the United States, where a party had to nominate a candidate beforehand and there was no “instant run-off”. An overwhelming majority of Louisianans agreed that Duke should be removed (66% to 34%), and more narrowly agreed to end their unique method of election (51.5% to 48.5%), which many blamed for giving David Duke the chance to be elected. Most surprising, though, was who got a narrow plurality of votes to become the new Governor…
Both Edwin Edwards and Buddy Roemer were on the ballot, but the “unity candidate” was W. Fox McKeithen, a former state representative and current Louisiana Secretary of State. Though he was a Republican, he was a Democrat until 1989 and the son of a popular former Governor, John McKeithen. The younger McKeithen would be inaugurated the next January with his father present, ready to face the new year…
[1] Now I believe this tactic was used by Cameron when he filmed Titanic a couple years down the line in our timeline.
[2] Yeah, fun fact- all of Full Metal Jacket, from the barracks in South Carolina to the ruins of Vietnam, was filmed in England! Kubrick was afraid of flying.
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Thoughts?
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Jeff Goldblum? Nice!
Thanks!
I wanted the update to be longer, but wanted to get something out for viewing.
Strong together, united forever; they're the best of friends... But when trouble's about, you'd best watch out!
A lot of really fascinating stuff. There's nothing wrong with putting out an appetizer to whet appetites for more! Looking forward to it.
That would make a very interesting visual juxtaposition. The studio-bound scenes might clash quite strongly with the on-location footage. It'll be interesting to hear how the creators decide to deal with the issue in post.
I guess we'll be hearing Spike Lee make a terrific fuss of the whole thing, thenvultan said:
Giuliani won't take over at City Hall until January 1, 1994. Dinkins is still in charge.vultan said:
I didn't know that James Cameron had X-Ray visionvultan said:
That sounds like a very fun - if obvious - gag. I'm sure that even before the DVD release, it'll be widely bootlegged.vultan said:
Looking forward to your take on this!vultan said:
A very sound choice - and, of course, he was cast as the nominal lead of the subsequent Devlin/Emmerich film IOTL.vultan said:
Jolie is very young here - only 18! And, as with Norton, her ticket gets punched several years ahead of schedule. I see her making a similar splash to another ingenue newcomer, Cameron Diaz in The Mask, released at around the same time.vultan said:
Perfect as Campbell is for the state, and as left-wing as Boxer is, he's still very lucky that he's running in 1994 of all years.vultan said:
What a media circus that must have been!vultan said:
A very plausible method of ditching the infamous "jungle primary". Though as I'm sure you know, Louisiana did eliminate it for a time recently, but it's since been re-instated. That might not happen ITTL, given the palpable reminder of Duke's triumph.vultan said:
Why hello there, shout-out to Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72. How have you been?vultan said:
A lot of really fascinating stuff. There's nothing wrong with putting out an appetizer to whet appetites for more! Looking forward to it.
Hendryk
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This makes me wonder--Spike Lee's film culminates with a riot scene, and he didn't have digital special effects. Was it just creative camera angles and clever use of extras that enabled him to simulate violent civil disturbance without city authorities getting worried?
They're the Watch-men!
And that, boys and girls, is the importance of research. Can't believe I made that mistake.
Shall be fixed.
I didn't know that James Cameron had X-Ray vision
What I meant was the view of a masked Rorschach staring upon the conflagration, enraptured. Must've looked great.
Of course, the real Hamill was probably gawking and bulging his eyes under the mask. But the visuals absolutely fit the quote:
"Stood in firelight, sweltering. Bloodstain on chest like map of violent new continent. Felt cleansed. Felt dark planet turn under my feet and knew what cats know that makes them scream like babies in night. "
Oh, definitely.
He's made a lot of money doing the same shtick over and over again. But it's a great shtick- I love him
Bear in mind, won't be his first lead role. Cyborg 3 comes out straight-to-video in 1993.
It'll also be the second election cycle in a row where California holds two special elections in a row, one of them a special election.
If I'd focused on that, I wouldn't have gotten around to the rest of the update.
Also, if the opportunity ever comes up, would hurt those asking for an abolition of the electoral college.
TALKING HEAD #1: Well, what would your replace it (the Electoral College) with?
TALKING HEAD #2: Uh, there's the instant run-off system, like they have in Fra...
TALKING HEAD #1: You mean like how that nut Duke got elected down in Louisiana?
TALKING HEAD #2: (lengthy silence)
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Don't necessarily agree with it, but that's how it'd go down.
Why hello there, shout-out to Fear, Loathing, and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72. How have you been?
Great Cold War era timeline, absolutely fantastic, along with another timeline about a certain wacky redhead...
We'll see, I've been sick. But I'll be working on some stuff. More will come.
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Mostly extras and clever camera angles. Great director.
(Although he wasn't working in the direct aftermath of several riots at the time...)
