The Luciferian Crusade: A Collaborative Timeline
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Perhaps "Cobra" could become a government in its own right, somewhere? There's a region in central South America at the intersection of Brazil and some other states where government control is VERY weak. There've been reports of Islamists there, as well as drug trafficking.
"Cobra" could set up shop there and the world might be grateful for cleaning out the "wretched hive of scum and villainy."
Plus there's the possibility of governments disliked by "the world" using "Cobra" as a proxy.
If "Cobra" is founded in 1945 by Nazis, perhaps they're strong enough to smuggle arms, mercenaries, etc. to the secessionist Katanga province in the newly-independent Belgian Congo?
Said Nazis might not have a high opinion of blacks, but considering how crushing Katangan secessionists was a UN project, they might dislike the UN on the grounds that they're the Allies of WWII.
The Katangans might be grateful to these benefactors and supply them with the wealth from the copper mines.
If the Nazis and/or their successors are clever enough, they could also help out Rhodesia, which was the enemy of the Anglo-Americans and the Soviets.
And if you want a more established government that could help out "Cobra," how about Portugal? They were the last colonialists on Earth, unless you count the Chinese in Tibet.
ARGH! I meant Cobra. What a dumbass I am.
I suspected that, but I wanted to be sure.
Here is an attempt at a plausible Scenario:
Heydrich survives the assassination attempt
The Nazis stash their gold in numerous swiss banks as a safety net while more head for Brazil.
Maoist third-worldists and Hoxhaists eventually merge with ODESSA after backstabbing. Using Albanian and Chinese funding, they begin subtly spreading the word. They help the Mujihadeen in the Afghan war of the 80s. They begin to garner support in Angola, Mozambique, Zaire, Brazil, Venezuela, much of the Middle East and other Third World Countries.
Eventually, they get noticed, and a CIA/KGB taskforce is established on this group.
What would become Al-Qaeda is incorporated into this organisation, whose ideology is a mixture of Maoism, Nazism, Islamism and New Age Religions.
In 1994, they devour the Zapatistas of Mexico, leading the organisation to be called the "World Liberation Front".
During the hright of the anti-globalisation movement in 2002, they openly seize power in Many Third World and former Soviet Bloc countries such as Kazahstan, Taijikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Mongolia, Burma, Much of africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Cuba, Mexico and Vietnam.
The WLF is condemned by the UN in a unanimous resolution in 2003, leading to massive tensions.
Heydrich survives the assassination attempt
The Nazis stash their gold in numerous swiss banks as a safety net while more head for Brazil.
Maoist third-worldists and Hoxhaists eventually merge with ODESSA after backstabbing. Using Albanian and Chinese funding, they begin subtly spreading the word. They help the Mujihadeen in the Afghan war of the 80s. They begin to garner support in Angola, Mozambique, Zaire, Brazil, Venezuela, much of the Middle East and other Third World Countries.
Eventually, they get noticed, and a CIA/KGB taskforce is established on this group.
What would become Al-Qaeda is incorporated into this organisation, whose ideology is a mixture of Maoism, Nazism, Islamism and New Age Religions.
In 1994, they devour the Zapatistas of Mexico, leading the organisation to be called the "World Liberation Front".
During the hright of the anti-globalisation movement in 2002, they openly seize power in Many Third World and former Soviet Bloc countries such as Kazahstan, Taijikistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Mongolia, Burma, Much of africa, Brazil, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Cuba, Mexico and Vietnam.
The WLF is condemned by the UN in a unanimous resolution in 2003, leading to massive tensions.
Re: the Baroness, she seems to be the only prominent female Cobra, unlike the Joes (who have Cover Girl, Scarlett, and Lady Jaye).
Perhaps, though Cobra is a male-dominated organization, the Baroness became a Power there by being more badass than many of the men and possibly patronage of an established Cobra leader.
(IIRC the Baroness had something going on with Destro, at least for awhile.)
History is full of powerful women who started out as mere consorts of powerful men and then became powers in their own right--the Empress Wu, Catherine the Great, etc.
She could face resistance in her efforts due to her sex and that would make her even more determined. Bonus points if the one who tries to get in her way gets crushed.
(In the "Battletech" novels, the born-normally daughter of two vatgrown warriors successfully earns a Bloodname--which is reserved for the vatgrown supersoldiers--and this provokes a war. One enemy sought her out to kill her, but she killed HIM in single combat. Plus in the movie "Kill Bill," Oren Ishi cuts that dude's head off who makes nasty comments about her ancestry, silencing all her other critics.)
Perhaps, though Cobra is a male-dominated organization, the Baroness became a Power there by being more badass than many of the men and possibly patronage of an established Cobra leader.
(IIRC the Baroness had something going on with Destro, at least for awhile.)
History is full of powerful women who started out as mere consorts of powerful men and then became powers in their own right--the Empress Wu, Catherine the Great, etc.
She could face resistance in her efforts due to her sex and that would make her even more determined. Bonus points if the one who tries to get in her way gets crushed.
(In the "Battletech" novels, the born-normally daughter of two vatgrown warriors successfully earns a Bloodname--which is reserved for the vatgrown supersoldiers--and this provokes a war. One enemy sought her out to kill her, but she killed HIM in single combat. Plus in the movie "Kill Bill," Oren Ishi cuts that dude's head off who makes nasty comments about her ancestry, silencing all her other critics.)
This would be interesting, although them taking power in several oil states could lead to a massive attack before they get established.
Perhaps they get hold of some nukes first, and use those to deter the initial invasion?
Or maybe they do it subtle, Illuminati-style. Perhaps their forces could be proxy troops, with foreign peacekeeper forces or whatever being under the impression that said troops are just local rebels or random warlord goons.
If we are going to go with the idea of a neo-fascist movement with roots in the Third World, consider that one scary idea is that the U.S. government may have accidentally created the threat as a means to "combat communism". Unfortunately, it also explains why it eventually turned into a threat to international security. It would be similar to how many members of Operation PAPERCLIP would later found neo-fascist movements in South America...
Under these circumstances, sometime in the 1960s, the organization must have angered the U.S. and/or British governments with an act of terrorism. Using the events of the 1950s/1960s, the organization is able to recruit from Third World guerillas calling for a "New World Order"....
Under these circumstances, sometime in the 1960s, the organization must have angered the U.S. and/or British governments with an act of terrorism. Using the events of the 1950s/1960s, the organization is able to recruit from Third World guerillas calling for a "New World Order"....
Unfortunately, I'm not sure that a neo-fascist movement could gain movement in the west. Perhaps some sort of quasi-COMITERN in the third world--in fact, this could be some Soviet-sponsored thing.
I just thought of something. What if its a situation similar to the actions in Tom Clancy's Sum of All Fears, and yes I do mean the Ben Affleck film? What if the members of the organization are acting as "double agents" playing both the Americans and the Soviets against each other in an effort to gain funding and weapons? It would certainly explain why in the 1980s, both sides feel the need to launch a major crackdown...
That certainly works as a good skeleton for the ATL. Let's see if we can put more flesh on the bones of the creature...
Well it could be a case wherein the "blowback" of CIA operations is greater than in OTL. That in itself shouldn't be considered too controversial....
mumble... seeing the cartoons i always had the suspect that the whole Cobra thing was something staged up only to justifie crass military expenses by echonomic entities that profited by it...
I mean, with all the firepower involved where were the casualties? The situation reminded me alot the "staged battles" of the brigates of "Condotta" in reinassence Italy or the ritualized fights of tribal societies where no one was actually hury...
I mean, with all the firepower involved where were the casualties? The situation reminded me alot the "staged battles" of the brigates of "Condotta" in reinassence Italy or the ritualized fights of tribal societies where no one was actually hury...
Cobra casualties go in the A-Team Memorial ward. Next to the special room for the victims of all those helicopters crashing behind conveniently placed hills (which is why Airwolf and Blue Thunder never went to Belgium. No hills. An episode would have lasted forever)
not only Cobra, Joe ones too, I mean a maksmanship school in par with imperial one!
That's why I figured no one was using live ammunition and veicles were designed to explode when hit by some sort of infrared signal, obviously giving the operator a warning and ample time to flee...
Most of COBRA's soldiery were actually robots (the BATs), so they probably took very few actual casualties.
If our hypothetical "Cobra" has got a multifaceted ideology, it could display different "sides" to the US, the Soviets, the Chinese, the Third World states, etc. to get their support.
They'd tell Americans they're anti-Communist, Russians they're anti-capitalist, the Chinese they're anti-(Russian) Communist, etc.
They'd tell Americans they're anti-Communist, Russians they're anti-capitalist, the Chinese they're anti-(Russian) Communist, etc.
Exactly. They could also use sub-organisations and units whose members would even think they are fighting the Communists with actual US backing, Capitalism with Soviet/ChiCom support and soforth. A bit like some of the people in Alias. I think. Thus they could create a multilayered system in which only the upper echelons know the main goals of the movement (or some of them). Compartmentalization.