The Discord That Follows

no comments? the next update should come this week or next, on the French Civil War

SilverSwimmer

Well as the Chinese, French and Americans have all found OTL, the latter even with widespread local support, Vietnam can become one hell of a quagmire and it looks pretty certain that Britain will find the same thing TTL. I think France had some problems in the 1880's securing the region OTL but not sure how/why they succeeded then. Possibly somewhat more brutal and/or the fact they were competing with the Chinese who the Vietnamese have a long history with.

However this all sounded fairly clear from previous posts so I just took the last chapter as giving more details of what we know already and got a bit lazy.

Steve
 
The French Civil War

The year of 1895 brought a total reversal of the Fleur successes on the field. After the Battle of Paris, the Blanquists began to push Boulanger’s forces back. At first, the Fleur retreat looked more like a rout, but soon the armies were organized enough to start a fighting withdrawal east and south. In the south, where fighting was scarce at best, the Blanquist southern salient began advancing west, and in the spring of 1895, liberating Toulouse from its horrific siege. Even the Fleur capitol, Boures, fell that fall, after a long, disorganized battle in which casualties were heavy on both sides.

The Fleur war machine was being chiseled away day by day, week by week. Men deserted, and battles were lost across the French countryside. As the front near the Belgian and German border collapsed, General Boulanger moved himself to the west coast, in Bordeaux, where the leadership had relocated after the fall of Bourges. He then took control of all Fleur forces around the country. The frontlines stabilized once again that fall, but it was clear that the Fleurs were in trouble.

The Fleur leaders, a coalition of rightwing groups, were quite worried, and began to look for alternatives. Most called for an escape to Algeria, where a new government could be set up, but others refused, saying that it would be impossible to rule a nation that was not a majority French, and cited news from Indochina to prove their point. Military leaders were also skeptical of the plan, as the Blanquists had a powerful enough navy to stop or at least significantly harass an evacuation attempt, and even if they did set up a government in Algeria, they could still see the same kind of warfare they saw in Metropolitan France between Socialists and right-wing groups. In fact, street fighting had occurred a few times in Algiers and other cities, but a relative peace had been secured mainly because the French nationals there were afraid that the British or Italians would take advantage of any kind of instability. They were probably right too.

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The Battleship Brennus, a recently acquired French naval ship by the Blanquists

And so, the Fleur had little choice but to fight on and hope for the best. This is what occurred for the next seven months, hard fighting in the interior of France, with the Blanquists slowly advancing against a tough, desperate Fleur foe. In the spring of 1896, the Blanquists made a breakthrough at the Battle of Limoges, and after that all hell broke loose. Much of the remaining fighting turned in bushwhacker warfare, where small units of Fleurs tried to stem the tide of the Blanquist armies. But it was not enough, and in August 1896, artillery began bombarding Bordeaux. Many families, and top-ranking Fleurs tried to escape, and some did, but the Blanquist Navy that had converged on Bordeaux, essentially creating a blockade, caught many. The real battle of Bordeaux was sickeningly bloody, and Maxim guns in close-quarters street fighting cut down wave after wave of Blanquists. On September 17th, 1896, General Boulanger surrendered to the Blanquists. Two days later he committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. How he was able to get a weapon in his cell was never discovered, leaving some to believe the Blanquists murdered him in contempt, even though they were ordered to bring him to Paris for trial.

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Bordeaux after the battle

This was the end of the second act of the French Civil War. Although the bulk of the fighting was over, violence would still be seen for another few months, as Blanquists fought small groups of Fleur bushwhackers, and began the difficult process of bringing the remaining French colonies back under control. The new French regime also needed to decide on their new system of government, and this is where the personalities of the Big Three, Georges Clemenceau, Édouard Vaillant, and Georges Sorel, soon would really come into play. The third Aact begins.

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So, I decided that since we all know the outcome of the military portion, I would just sort of overview the rest, instead of being super specific like I was in the German Wars. This way i can work on the politic stuff, and Indochina and other places.
 
What are other countries doing during the duration of the civil war? Are they supporting any of the sides, watching and waiting, etc.?
 
very interesting update I just wonder now what will happen will the French try to restore their honour abroad and build up the might of the nation or will they be true socialists to the French it will be interesting though to see how this affects their policy towards the colonies and also I have been wondering what is the reaction in Britain to the Indochina war and is their any chance of an official alliance between Britain and Mexico ITTL
 
SilverSwimmer

Good summary of the last stages of the civil war, still with a lot of detail. Now the difficult bit of rebuilding the country and deciding it's relations with other powers begin. Can't think of anything to ask that hasn't been covered by earlier posters.

Thanks

Steve
 
What are other countries doing during the duration of the civil war? Are they supporting any of the sides, watching and waiting, etc.?

On page 21 I believe I created an update on how the other major players in Europe view the crisis.

very interesting update I just wonder now what will happen will the French try to restore their honour abroad and build up the might of the nation or will they be true socialists to the French it will be interesting though to see how this affects their policy towards the colonies and also I have been wondering what is the reaction in Britain to the Indochina war and is their any chance of an official alliance between Britain and Mexico ITTL

I think it will be a little of both actually. The Socialists will be working on bringing around change, but also they will try to show the people they are a legitimate power. How better else to do that than reaffirming control of territories?

The British reaction right now to the Indochina war is quite similiar to that of an Americans view of Vietnam in 1961-62, which is "We are in Vietnam?" However after the defeat at Yen Bai, the British are taking more notice in the war, and following it more closely. Some are in opposition, but right now they are few in number and not very loud because the majority of British citizens are not hugely informed. This will probably change soon.

Will the new government have any issues with Algeria, or will it be business as usual?

They may have a little mopping up to do, I kind of have this idea of a French gunboat policy against thier own colonies. Otherwise it shouldnt be the bloodfest Metropolitan France experienced.

SilverSwimmer

Good summary of the last stages of the civil war, still with a lot of detail. Now the difficult bit of rebuilding the country and deciding it's relations with other powers begin. Can't think of anything to ask that hasn't been covered by earlier posters.

Thanks

Steve

Nice use of photographs to round out the story :)

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

Thanks! The next update should be coming up soon, if schoolwork permits.
 
Im now working on new government structure for France, and this is what Ive come up with so far...

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The government has obvious syndacalist roots, with unions taking up almost half the power of government. The President, who is picked from one of the Union leaders, also has alot of power because he picks basically half of the people who vote laws in. Term limits are also unlimited for the President ofr ministers, but Union leaders can basically fire the President.

Im working on how to choose which unions get represented. Right now, I have the Chamber of Delegates choosing, but that gives them an immense check on the unions power, where I want it obvious that the unions and President is where the power lies. Maybe I chould make it a joint responsibilty between the House of Ministers and Delegates, just like laws? Or possibly a different branch entirely, like a judicial system or something. Thoughts?

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The Indochina War

The beginning of this new phase in the war would be a complete game changer. Vietnamese nationalists controlled the countryside, while the British and Siamese controlled most of the cities in Tonkin and Annam. Even after their stunning raid on Yen Bai, the British returned almost immediately with many more troops, but by the time the British arrived, the nationalists were long gone. In Cochinchina, the new French government took control, but their legitimacy rarely went past the city limits as well. Once again, Vietnamese bushwhackers roamed the jungles and river deltas during the night.

Needless to say, this was quite the annoyance for the British, who could show only casualties for their effort defeating the rebels. Whenever there was a real open engagement, the British would be victorious, but those were far and few between with the Vietnamese nationalists until later in the war. The French in the south were also an annoyance just by existing, many at home reading newspapers were quite baffled as to why the British could not simply destroy the French, but the reality was that the British would be opening themselves to a devestating amount of attacks on their chains of supply from both French and Vietnamese forces that could actually destabilize the attack. British ships and marines controlled the coast of Cochinchina and raided many coastal cities, but the British did not venture much further up the Mekong, where the French seat of power was.

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British Marines, late 1895​

The British overestimated the French. British control of the coast was actually doing quite a number on them, although the British intelligence did not say that. Over the course of the last few months the Commonwealth of Indochina had become basically a police state. People were starving, thousands died of malnutrition, and many Vietnamese were forced into slave labor in all but name. Vietnamese nationalists in Cochinchina, which were actually few, most being centered in Annam and Tonkin, reached out to their brothers in the north. When the Emperor in the Annamite Mountains finally heard the news about the conditions of the French state, he sent one of his commanders, Nguyen Sinh Huy, down to Cochinchina to reinforce the nationalists there and finally overthrow the French state.

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Vietnamese peasants in the Commonwealth of Indochina

The attack occurred in the early days of 1896. The Vietnamese attacked from the foothills on the border, where they had defeated small units of Siamese troops. This was the first open offensive by the Vietnamese nationalists. Nguyen Sinh Huy had hoped the French would be weak and not be able to resist the onslaught of the Vietnamese fighters. They were right, but certainly underestimated the slowly dying French government. The Battle of Saigon and Can Tho killed many Vietnamese nationalists, but in this battle and many others, suffering peasants rose to join the rebels, and eventually, the Commonwealth of Indochina was overthrown. The reprisals against the French government there were quick, and many French bureaucrats, officials, and Vietnamese nobles and conspirators found themselves with blindfolds around their head. Those were the lucky ones. Although some light British forces skirmished with the rebels, mostly on the coast, they mainly just watched, not able to put together a force quick enough and large enough to do anything about the violence in the south. Most of thier forces were attempting to defeat rebels in Tonkin.

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French soldier in Indochina during the Vietnamese Cochinchina offensive

The British were now in shock. The Vietnamese had taken the initiative, using intelligence gathered by peasants throughout the Cochinchinese countryside, to swiftly topple the French government in Saigon while the British were twiddling their thumbs. Not only that, the Vietnamese rebels now had a huge swath of territory to base their attacks from. The British, now had little choice but to attack the south despite the logistical risks. The operation would consist of a British offensive directed at Saigon, trying to dislodge the nationalists now making themselves at home. Meanwhile, back in England, a few ministers of Parliament began complaining about the cost of the war, especially after a report made by General Gordon asking for 30,000 more troops for the upcoming offensive in the fall of 1896. These voices would only grow stronger.

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SilverSwimmer

Sounds like the government in London is running out of time. Going to be difficult for them to get a win before popular support for the war at home falls away I suspect.

Steve
 
South America

An Excerpt from:

Ramirez, Colin. Modern South American History: From Independence to the Present. Hartford, CT: Academia Publishing Company, 1975. Print.

“…destroyed the Argentine economy. Only with the help of huge British loans did it finally recover in the mid-1880’s, but at the cost of becoming quite influenced by British economic policy. Throughout the rest of the 19th century, the two nations became large trading partners, and Argentina slowly became a huge breadbasket for the United Kingdom.

Because of this, the United Kingdom somewhat turned a blind eye to the dictatorial Argentine government, led by General Julio Argentino Roca. Roca had served as a General during both the War of the Triple Alliance, and in the Second Platine War. Convinced that the government had failed his men, he and other commanders led a Coup d’état in 1879, overthrowing the establishment and setting up a new administration led by him and other military leaders. This coup d’état was heavily supported by the populace, as was his policy of removing Native Americans from their lands and onto small, desolate, reservations, and killing thousands over the next ten years. It would not be until almost one hundred years later that the Argentine government apologized to the now quite small Argentine Indian community.

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General Julio Argentino Roca​

The new government also never gave up its claims to the territory lost in the Second Platine War; and many crises arose from Chile and Argentina butting heads over Patagonia. As Argentina became more and more an understudy of the United Kingdom, Chile would start being heavily supported by the United States beginning in the 1900’s, especially after one particular crisis between Argentina and Chile along the east coast of Patagonia which involved a decent amount of naval activity…”

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“…end of the war gave Brazil a huge economic and prestige booster. New territory, and a large buffer zone and ally in Paraguay increased Brazilian power quite steeply. But it also added fuel to the debate on Brazilian slavery. Steps toward eventual emancipation were taken, but legally abolishing slavery still was not accomplished. A few factors changed that. First, the Second Platine War, and the War of the Triple Alliance showed slaves to be quite trustworthy. Many slaves served at the frontlines, even fighting alongside free men. Coming home, even some of the ultraconservatives who still supported slavery soon became sympathetic to them. The second factor was the more practical, the fact that economically speaking, slavery was becoming very unprofitable. Industrial wages were less expensive for bosses than to actually care for slaves. In 1883, the Brazilian parliament passed a resolution declaring slavery illegal, and on April 20th, 1883, Pedro II sanctioned the law with tears in his eyes.

This enraged many ultraconservatives. Many were slaveholders, and considered the law a confiscation of their personal property. Some of them became strict opponents of the monarchy; secretly they began plotting to overthrow the Emperor. They found small support in the military, and a few officers who wished to create a dictatorial republic joined their cause, but for the most part the planning of the rebellion was done mostly by slavocrats. On the morning of October 1st, some of these officers took around 500 troops, some of whom did not know what they were doing, and proceeded to proclaim a republic, taking control of the Army headquarters of Rio de Janeiro, and capturing many of the Emperor’s ministers. Some of the officers in the captured Army Headquarters defected to the republican cause, but others got in contact with loyal troops, and the Emperor himself.

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The Brazilian rebels take control of Rio's Army Headquarters​

The Emperor was strangely distant of the matter. He had believed that the monarchy would die with him ever since his two sons had died in their childhoods. He now believed that it would finally be time. However, Isabel, his daughter and the heir apparent, was adamant in her father acting, and after being told of his Ministry’s capture, agreed to meet with Isabel’s husband, the Prince-Consort Gaston. Gaston and the Emperor never quite saw eye to eye, and they rarely spoke about politics, however today the Emperor agreed to see him. Gaston had acted preemptively when discovering the coup attempt, and had marshaled loyal troops from other parts of the city, using his clout as Commander-in-Chief during the Second Platine War. Gaston believed the royal family should move to Petropolis, while the army dealt with the coup. He was sure this was an isolated incident, as the monarchy was supported by almost all of the population. After much argument, Pedro II agreed, and left with the royal family that day.

Meanwhile, the rebels had proclaimed a republic in the Army Headquarters, but were surprised at how little support from the population they were getting. In fact, many small Citizens Brigades were formed, and advanced on the base of the rebels. Gaston’s loyal forces also advanced, and met little resistance, most of the rebels surrendered quite quickly. On October 2nd, the now surrounded army headquarters was taken, after a long deliberation, and the rebel’s realization that the people did not support their goals. The Emperor in Petropolis said nothing when he learned of the news, but announced soon after that he was in support of small constitutional changes that slightly limited the power of the monarchy. The rest of Pedro II rule was uneventful, and was focused on readying Brazil for an Empress, in a country where women were not seen as fit to rule. Princess Isabel became Empress in June 1893, after her father died I his sleep. His funeral procession was said to be attended by almost 100,000 people…”


ts

Emperor of Brazil Dom Pedro II, ruled 1831-1893​
 
South America

An Excerpt from:

Ramirez, Colin. Modern South American History: From Independence to the Present. Hartford, CT: Academia Publishing Company, 1975. Print.

“…destroyed the Argentine economy. Only with the help of huge British loans did it finally recover in the mid-1880’s, but at the cost of becoming quite influenced by British economic policy. Throughout the rest of the 19th century, the two nations became large trading partners, and Argentina slowly became a huge breadbasket for the United Kingdom.

Because of this, the United Kingdom somewhat turned a blind eye to the dictatorial Argentine government, led by General Julio Argentino Roca. Roca had served as a General during both the War of the Triple Alliance, and in the Second Platine War. Convinced that the government had failed his men, he and other commanders led a Coup d’état in 1879, overthrowing the establishment and setting up a new administration led by him and other military leaders. This coup d’état was heavily supported by the populace, as was his policy of removing Native Americans from their lands and onto small, desolate, reservations, and killing thousands over the next ten years. It would not be until almost one hundred years later that the Argentine government apologized to the now quite small Argentine Indian community.

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General Julio Argentino Roca​


The new government also never gave up its claims to the territory lost in the Second Platine War; and many crises arose from Chile and Argentina butting heads over Patagonia. As Argentina became more and more an understudy of the United Kingdom, Chile would start being heavily supported by the United States beginning in the 1900’s, especially after one particular crisis between Argentina and Chile along the east coast of Patagonia which involved a decent amount of naval activity…”

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“…end of the war gave Brazil a huge economic and prestige booster. New territory, and a large buffer zone and ally in Paraguay increased Brazilian power quite steeply. But it also added fuel to the debate on Brazilian slavery. Steps toward eventual emancipation were taken, but legally abolishing slavery still was not accomplished. A few factors changed that. First, the Second Platine War, and the War of the Triple Alliance showed slaves to be quite trustworthy. Many slaves served at the frontlines, even fighting alongside free men. Coming home, even some of the ultraconservatives who still supported slavery soon became sympathetic to them. The second factor was the more practical, the fact that economically speaking, slavery was becoming very unprofitable. Industrial wages were less expensive for bosses than to actually care for slaves. In 1883, the Brazilian parliament passed a resolution declaring slavery illegal, and on April 20th, 1883, Pedro II sanctioned the law with tears in his eyes.

This enraged many ultraconservatives. Many were slaveholders, and considered the law a confiscation of their personal property. Some of them became strict opponents of the monarchy; secretly they began plotting to overthrow the Emperor. They found small support in the military, and a few officers who wished to create a dictatorial republic joined their cause, but for the most part the planning of the rebellion was done mostly by slavocrats. On the morning of October 1st, some of these officers took around 500 troops, some of whom did not know what they were doing, and proceeded to proclaim a republic, taking control of the Army headquarters of Rio de Janeiro, and capturing many of the Emperor’s ministers. Some of the officers in the captured Army Headquarters defected to the republican cause, but others got in contact with loyal troops, and the Emperor himself.

proclam3.jpg

The Brazilian rebels take control of Rio's Army Headquarters​


The Emperor was strangely distant of the matter. He had believed that the monarchy would die with him ever since his two sons had died in their childhoods. He now believed that it would finally be time. However, Isabel, his daughter and the heir apparent, was adamant in her father acting, and after being told of his Ministry’s capture, agreed to meet with Isabel’s husband, the Prince-Consort Gaston. Gaston and the Emperor never quite saw eye to eye, and they rarely spoke about politics, however today the Emperor agreed to see him. Gaston had acted preemptively when discovering the coup attempt, and had marshaled loyal troops from other parts of the city, using his clout as Commander-in-Chief during the Second Platine War. Gaston believed the royal family should move to Petropolis, while the army dealt with the coup. He was sure this was an isolated incident, as the monarchy was supported by almost all of the population. After much argument, Pedro II agreed, and left with the royal family that day.

Meanwhile, the rebels had proclaimed a republic in the Army Headquarters, but were surprised at how little support from the population they were getting. In fact, many small Citizens Brigades were formed, and advanced on the base of the rebels. Gaston’s loyal forces also advanced, and met little resistance, most of the rebels surrendered quite quickly. On October 2nd, the now surrounded army headquarters was taken, after a long deliberation, and the rebel’s realization that the people did not support their goals. The Emperor in Petropolis said nothing when he learned of the news, but announced soon after that he was in support of small constitutional changes that slightly limited the power of the monarchy. The rest of Pedro II rule was uneventful, and was focused on readying Brazil for an Empress, in a country where women were not seen as fit to rule. Princess Isabel became Empress in June 1893, after her father died I his sleep. His funeral procession was said to be attended by almost 100,000 people…”


ts

Emperor of Brazil Dom Pedro II, ruled 1831-1893​
This would be good for Brasil. A prospect for more stability.:cool:
 
This would be good for Brasil. A prospect for more stability.:cool:

You are certainly correct.

You know, I hadnt really thought of it, but given that Isabel's husband is part of the Orleans royalty, and now she is Empress, I wonder if many French royals try to escape to Brazil post-French Civil War. It would certainly make sense, and would further strengthen the monarchy.
 
You are certainly correct.

You know, I hadnt really thought of it, but given that Isabel's husband is part of the Orleans royalty, and now she is Empress, I wonder if many French royals try to escape to Brazil post-French Civil War. It would certainly make sense, and would further strengthen the monarchy.

That sounds like fun. I've always liked the prospects of a powerful Empire of Brazil.
 
The Race to the Skies

The race to invent a heavier than air aircraft exploded with the ending of the German Wars, and the wars that were still raging afterward. Small dirigibles had been used for surveillance since the American Civil War and the Bushwhacker rebellions, giving the army a way to spot enemy positions from long distances. However, the German Wars was quite a dangerous place for these dirigibles, and new weapons, labeled as counter-air artillery, or ballonkanone in German, became quite deadly to these scouts. This showed many that the need for a faster, more evasive scout needed to be developed, but little work had been done by the time the war was over, although many private entrepreneurs, some with government funding, became the stars of the race to the skies.

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An early modified cannon, used for counter-air artillery

The United Kingdom spent large amounts of capital to develop a scouting machine, especially during its time in Vietnam. Hiram Maxim, the creator of the repeating machine gun that now popularly bore its name, was one of the forefront researchers on this topic, but fell short many times. He is credited with the first use of wind tunnels, in order to test aerodynamics on his aircraft, but none in England would be the first to succeed in creating heavier than air flight.

The United States had many serious contenders, but in the aftermath of the Second Mexican-American war, no real military funds were put into these projects. The exception to that rule was Samuel Langley, known as the “Father of American Aeronautics.” He was the Secretary of the Smithsonian Institute under the Cleveland administration, but even after stepping down from the post in 1890 when replaced under the Sherman administration, government funds still were given to him to help him excel. During the Second Mexican-American War, he successfully flew an unpiloted model almost an entire mile, getting the War Departments attention. However, he failed to build on this feat, and when using a piloted model, he could not repeat his successes. His research inspired many other Americans to try to create their own models. In 1902, a group of men working for the Duryea Motor Company in Massachusetts, Arthur Helmsford, Charlie Mattings, and Orville Kolbert, succeeded in flying an aeroplane appropriately named The Flyer, using a modified internal combustion engine on the dunes of Cape Cod.

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The Flyer on Cape Cod in the summer of 1902

Impressive as it was, it wasn’t the first that ever flew, instead the prize went to the son of a rich coffee plantation owner and a French expatriate. The flight took place in 1902, only about two or three months before the Cape Cod flight, but is widely considered the first real test of heavier than air flying. Antonio Santos-Dumont became very wealthy after his fathers death in the early 1890’s due to a heart attack, and used much of that to develop controlled dirigibles, and later, propelled, heavier than air aeroplanes. Gaining popularity as a “sportsmen of the air,” he gained worldwide notoriety. This was one of the reasons that in 1896, when the French Civil War was in its last days, a Fleur by the name of Clement Ader decided to move to Brazil like many other French royalists, in order to possibly meet with this man and work with him. Escaping before the last offensives of the Blanquists, he arrived in Brazil in late 1896. In early 1897, he met Antonio Santos-Dumont, and began to explain his ideas about heavier than air travel. The two soon began engineering powered models, fueled by funds from Santos-Dumont’s share in his late fathers coffee empire, and the very successful Brazilian economy. They finally succeeded in flying their own model, piloted by Santos-Dumont himself on the first flight, Ader on the second. It was recorded by a local newspaper, which proved that they had in fact been the first. A year later, with a more powerful engine, they took off without the help of a catapult, using wheels instead.

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Antonio Santos-Dumont flying on the first aeroplane to take off under its own power
 
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SilverSwimmer

Interesting, so we could have both France and Brazil claiming the 1st heavier than air flight. [The French would have to claim it on behave of refuge opponents to the current regime but that's rarely been a problem for government looking for prestige.;)].

Would suspect that the established powers will put a lot more effort into powered flight having been upstaged by what many will still consider a 2nd rank power. [Possibly a bit like the US reaction after Sputnik and Gugarin].

Steve
 
SilverSwimmer

Interesting, so we could have both France and Brazil claiming the 1st heavier than air flight. [The French would have to claim it on behave of refuge opponents to the current regime but that's rarely been a problem for government looking for prestige.;)].

Would suspect that the established powers will put a lot more effort into powered flight having been upstaged by what many will still consider a 2nd rank power. [Possibly a bit like the US reaction after Sputnik and Gugarin].

Steve

Well actually the development of flight is already a tiny bit ahead, by about 2 or 3 years. This, in combination with what you were saying about a kind of competition between the powers, trying to outdo each other (maybe a 'cloud race', instead of a space race? :D), we may see a very early "golden age of flying", possibly in the mid-late teens.
 
SilverSwimmer

Could well be although it will really require another major war or a period of prolonged cold war tension to prompt dramatic development I suspect as the early a/c were so fragile and limited. Likely to be seen as basically a toy for the very rich unless/until their shown to be useful for something and that's most likely to occur in warfare as they can fairly rapidly develop into scouts for the other services. From there the development of the fighter is almost inevitable and as a/c become more capable other roles follow.

One thought that just occurred to me with a faster development of a/c, at least so far. Likely that they will be butterflied but if not Rolls-Royce is possibly going to have a longer partnership.;)

Steve

Well actually the development of flight is already a tiny bit ahead, by about 2 or 3 years. This, in combination with what you were saying about a kind of competition between the powers, trying to outdo each other (maybe a 'cloud race', instead of a space race? :D), we may see a very early "golden age of flying", possibly in the mid-late teens.
 
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