Yeah. I guess. Although when the Great War comes, I think that Japan will probably choose to stay out of it...
The 20th Century
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So, who are we going to have do the first installment? Should we put the final ones in the Writing thread, and post drafts and discussion here?
I'd suspect Japan wouldn't be taken seriously enough. Without the upstart defeat the British have to station their own troops out in the pacific and can't really count on Japan. With the British dispersed Germany has much more of a chance on the continet...so prehaps worse losses by British forces leading to...Romulus Augustulus said:
Grey Wolf
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Hmmm, I'll wait and see what happens
Then I'll know what other people have in mind for it
One thing that would annoy me is people jumping ahead - i.e. if we do years to 1906, then how can we say that was happened will affect World War One when one cannot know at all if such a war will even occur ?
Well, people wanted my input, lol
Grey Wolf
Then I'll know what other people have in mind for it
One thing that would annoy me is people jumping ahead - i.e. if we do years to 1906, then how can we say that was happened will affect World War One when one cannot know at all if such a war will even occur ?
Well, people wanted my input, lol
Grey Wolf
The thread with the actual chapters will go in the Writer's Thread. The discussion and what not will go here. So, let's flesh this out...
1900-1903: negligible differences.
1903: Ripple effect leads to earlier Morocco Crisis, with much the same effect as in OTL, that is France and Britain coming together against Germany. The crisis is in fact worse than OTL, so Anglo-German relations are significantly poisoned. There's a de facto military alliance between France and Germany, as Britain turns against Germany and allies itself with Russia. At the same time, they try to come to an understanding with Russia.
1904-1905: Russo-Japanese War. Russia wins; Japan, feeling angry at Britain for a variety of reasons, falls out with Britain and cozies up to Germany.
How's that?
1900-1903: negligible differences.
1903: Ripple effect leads to earlier Morocco Crisis, with much the same effect as in OTL, that is France and Britain coming together against Germany. The crisis is in fact worse than OTL, so Anglo-German relations are significantly poisoned. There's a de facto military alliance between France and Germany, as Britain turns against Germany and allies itself with Russia. At the same time, they try to come to an understanding with Russia.
1904-1905: Russo-Japanese War. Russia wins; Japan, feeling angry at Britain for a variety of reasons, falls out with Britain and cozies up to Germany.
How's that?
No, you lot are moving too fast, we just need an initial month or two to debate. The butterflies can come later...
Any volunteers for the first installment?
Any volunteers for the first installment?
The POD is on January 1st...the Spanish-American War still happens; the US still wins, etc.
Okay...here's OTL's January 1900, according to Wikipedia...
Okay...here's OTL's January 1900, according to Wikipedia...
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I say we add Queen Victoria dying in mysterious circumstances in there. That, or the Spanish King.
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Romulus Augustulus said:
Um, typo in here somewhere - France and Britain come together, alliance between France and Germany ? Britain allies itself with Russia...and comes to an understanding with Russia ?
Japan in defeat will be worth less as an ally, and quite possibly fall victim ot internal factionalism
Grey Wolf
Sorry about those typos. My brain isn't working correctly after that gruesome accident with the watercooler.
I'm willing to a short kind of 'prologue' about the early death of Queen Victoria to set the tone. Any ideas?
You guys can run from it with there. We could probably run with multiple PODs, if you want.
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Oh and, lukael, "During Victoria's last years, the United Kingdom was involved in the Boer War, which received the enthusiastic support of the Queen." So, without her, who knows what would have happened?
You guys can run from it with there. We could probably run with multiple PODs, if you want.
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Oh and, lukael, "During Victoria's last years, the United Kingdom was involved in the Boer War, which received the enthusiastic support of the Queen." So, without her, who knows what would have happened?
In response to a request to move this to chat... um, why? This is actually *on* topic to alternate history.
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Okay...January 28th, Queen Victoria dies of a heart attack.