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AH.com Thread: Are Communism and Fascism Twin Ideologies?
This is my response to the question and I admit I use the definition often used by Trotskyists and defined by Trotsky himself for Fascism, where it is essentially a reactionary mass movement used by the bourgeoisie as their bludgeon to bash the Worker's movement to death.
This provides a nice source for Trosky's analysis on Fascism. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm
Religious_Commie said:
This is my response to the question and I admit I use the definition often used by Trotskyists and defined by Trotsky himself for Fascism, where it is essentially a reactionary mass movement used by the bourgeoisie as their bludgeon to bash the Worker's movement to death.
This provides a nice source for Trosky's analysis on Fascism. https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm
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AH.com Thread: Are Communism and Fascism Twin Ideologies?
Whilst @WotanArgead Franco is not the leader of Nationalist Spain ITTL (I need to check who it is again) and ITTL the is not a Third World and thus far fewer or none non-classical fascist movements besides those points I do find your analysis of the conditions of Fascism rather accurate.
Though the New Right does sound like a form of fascism that would also develop ITTL by the more intelligent of the reactionaries as an attempt to regain power by disconnecting themselves from as much as possible from the term fascist even if they serve a very similar role for the capitalists. Probably why ITTL's present the Objectivists also seem to have taken up the role of being used as the paramilitaries used to bludgeon the working class as much as possible.
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Though I would contend that fascism and racism and demagogy are fundamentally intertwined together as they (racism and demagogy) are very useful tools by the reactionaries to split the working class between ethnic and racial lines and convince the Petit-Bourgeoisie that the fascists are on their side and also gain their trust them enough for them to side with the fascists and serve as their muscle for breaking the back of the working class, for a time at least.
Though the New Right does sound like a form of fascism that would also develop ITTL by the more intelligent of the reactionaries as an attempt to regain power by disconnecting themselves from as much as possible from the term fascist even if they serve a very similar role for the capitalists. Probably why ITTL's present the Objectivists also seem to have taken up the role of being used as the paramilitaries used to bludgeon the working class as much as possible.
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Though I would contend that fascism and racism and demagogy are fundamentally intertwined together as they (racism and demagogy) are very useful tools by the reactionaries to split the working class between ethnic and racial lines and convince the Petit-Bourgeoisie that the fascists are on their side and also gain their trust them enough for them to side with the fascists and serve as their muscle for breaking the back of the working class, for a time at least.
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Short Retrospective Reviews: The Miracle Worker (1962)
Published in the Sunday Work, 2001
A social awakening is often synonymous with a personal awakening. As we develop, and learn more of the world, we not only grow as people, but our social awareness tends to grow as well. The personal journey towards social awareness is very much influenced by experiences. How we had been raised, how oppression has affected us, what we do. This interaction between our personal and socialist journeys forms the very core of The Miracle Worker, now available. The story of Helen Keller and her own struggles as someone both blind and deaf leading her to join the burgeoning socialist movement after World War I, and becoming one of the most beloved figures of the Revolution, is well known to most American citizens. This film helps illustrate how her own experiences shaped her later views. It is a fascinating look into how a woman so disadvantaged but accomplished took her achievements and helped others.
The film, unlike most biopics, covers two parts of Keller's life by cutting between them. It focuses on unruly, young Keller and her education under stern, unorthodox teacher Anne Sullivan, who tries to use discipline and sheer will to make her finally come out of her shell. The second story sees her at age involvement in the socialist movement, starting with her at 30 years old learning about the Bread and Roses Strike of 1912, which eventually leads her to join the Socialist Party, and write in protest of World War I. The two stories are intertwined to show her development, and connect them to her awakening as a Socialist.
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The portions of the film set during her period as a Socialist activist are as equally interesting as the early part of her life. Relatively few historical characters appear (most notably, she meets Eugene Debs as she becomes more involved with the Worker's Party in the 1910's, Morris Hillquit during a dramatic recreation of Bienno Russo, and Upton Sinclair during her work with the post-revolution government). We see those who once praised her for her triumphs shun her for her radical views. However, the respect she commands amongst the people allows her to become an ambassador between the Worker's Party and the general public in the immediate pre-revolutionary period. Interchanged with the aforementioned well scene is her stress, fearing for her life as she wonders if her escorts during the Civil War are secretly fascist agents tricking her and sending her to her death. Finally, a dramatic retelling of her as a politician in the post-revolutionary era, working to ensure that the disabled have proper care, and the ability to achieve in spite of their disabilites, much as she had in her youth, as well as other posts (including ambassador to several nations). These scenes provide a rare and interesting look into the conditions that lead to the revolution in the first place, and how they recruited people to their cause. It also provides an inner look into the Worker's Party before the Revolution, when they were still a burgeoning party. Keller's journey in socialism successfully integrates these elements to provide drama.
The title refers to the two heroes of the story. Anne Sullivan, with her perseverance in educating Keller and helping her overcome her disabilities, and Keller herself, for her own work advocating the cause of socialism through its rough breakthrough to the final conflict. It is a true classic, one which is powerful and emotional. It is highly recommended, both as a performance piece, and as a historical drama. If you have the opportunity, make sure you watch this, possibly with your children as an education tool.
Published in the Sunday Work, 2001
A social awakening is often synonymous with a personal awakening. As we develop, and learn more of the world, we not only grow as people, but our social awareness tends to grow as well. The personal journey towards social awareness is very much influenced by experiences. How we had been raised, how oppression has affected us, what we do. This interaction between our personal and socialist journeys forms the very core of The Miracle Worker, now available. The story of Helen Keller and her own struggles as someone both blind and deaf leading her to join the burgeoning socialist movement after World War I, and becoming one of the most beloved figures of the Revolution, is well known to most American citizens. This film helps illustrate how her own experiences shaped her later views. It is a fascinating look into how a woman so disadvantaged but accomplished took her achievements and helped others.
The film, unlike most biopics, covers two parts of Keller's life by cutting between them. It focuses on unruly, young Keller and her education under stern, unorthodox teacher Anne Sullivan, who tries to use discipline and sheer will to make her finally come out of her shell. The second story sees her at age involvement in the socialist movement, starting with her at 30 years old learning about the Bread and Roses Strike of 1912, which eventually leads her to join the Socialist Party, and write in protest of World War I. The two stories are intertwined to show her development, and connect them to her awakening as a Socialist.
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The portions of the film set during her period as a Socialist activist are as equally interesting as the early part of her life. Relatively few historical characters appear (most notably, she meets Eugene Debs as she becomes more involved with the Worker's Party in the 1910's, Morris Hillquit during a dramatic recreation of Bienno Russo, and Upton Sinclair during her work with the post-revolution government). We see those who once praised her for her triumphs shun her for her radical views. However, the respect she commands amongst the people allows her to become an ambassador between the Worker's Party and the general public in the immediate pre-revolutionary period. Interchanged with the aforementioned well scene is her stress, fearing for her life as she wonders if her escorts during the Civil War are secretly fascist agents tricking her and sending her to her death. Finally, a dramatic retelling of her as a politician in the post-revolutionary era, working to ensure that the disabled have proper care, and the ability to achieve in spite of their disabilites, much as she had in her youth, as well as other posts (including ambassador to several nations). These scenes provide a rare and interesting look into the conditions that lead to the revolution in the first place, and how they recruited people to their cause. It also provides an inner look into the Worker's Party before the Revolution, when they were still a burgeoning party. Keller's journey in socialism successfully integrates these elements to provide drama.
The title refers to the two heroes of the story. Anne Sullivan, with her perseverance in educating Keller and helping her overcome her disabilities, and Keller herself, for her own work advocating the cause of socialism through its rough breakthrough to the final conflict. It is a true classic, one which is powerful and emotional. It is highly recommended, both as a performance piece, and as a historical drama. If you have the opportunity, make sure you watch this, possibly with your children as an education tool.
The analysis is not mine, but thanks anyway.
And what about the Spanish Falangists hard for me to say.
I can also assume that the alternative "New Right", in fact even more like Nazis (due to increased "red alert"). And the fact that in our country political literacy will pay more attention ("Why do Italians - fascism, and the Germans - the Nazis?" My former teacher of history could not answer the question).
PS - I am having some ideas as well as the question - what is the fate of Yugoslavia and Titoism? Perhaps the representative of "market socialism" is easier to negotiate with the Americans? On the other hand, Tito had good relations with Khrushchev and Brezhnev, and post-Stalinist eastern Europe were a lot of "market experimentation" (farm Poland and Hungary Janos Kadar).
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
IMMMMMM BAAAAACCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I hope you'll all be happy to hear that I gave up boxing for good after my last bout. I had a long talk with my girlfriend, my friends, and my family members in an "intervention" of sorts, and they convinced me that the money was not worth it, and I was not only killing myself, but my friends, family, and Mio Amore. Quite a touching moment that I will remember for the rest of my life.
So my head's healed, I've given up boxing, and I'm back in business!
So some new updates I see, but first: an AH thread. While I was resting my head the last few days, I received a phone call from my Uncle, who is a conservative former Army mechanized infantryman. He started talking to me about the normal Conservative talking points: "Liberals" "Trump" "The Military" and my personal favorite: " The Goddamn Navy and Marine Corps is a waste of money". It got me thinking about national "military patriotism" in the UASR, USSR, and FBU, as well as how some people feel about disbanding famous military organizations (they won't be disbanded, it's all just talk.) So here goes....
(So remember, per rules of thread, keep geopolitics out of it unless RSR or Jello say it's canon.)
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/ Should we disband the Marines?
And I hope you'll all be happy to hear that I gave up boxing for good after my last bout. I had a long talk with my girlfriend, my friends, and my family members in an "intervention" of sorts, and they convinced me that the money was not worth it, and I was not only killing myself, but my friends, family, and Mio Amore. Quite a touching moment that I will remember for the rest of my life.
So my head's healed, I've given up boxing, and I'm back in business!
So some new updates I see, but first: an AH thread. While I was resting my head the last few days, I received a phone call from my Uncle, who is a conservative former Army mechanized infantryman. He started talking to me about the normal Conservative talking points: "Liberals" "Trump" "The Military" and my personal favorite: " The Goddamn Navy and Marine Corps is a waste of money". It got me thinking about national "military patriotism" in the UASR, USSR, and FBU, as well as how some people feel about disbanding famous military organizations (they won't be disbanded, it's all just talk.) So here goes....
(So remember, per rules of thread, keep geopolitics out of it unless RSR or Jello say it's canon.)
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/ Should we disband the Marines?
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
I figured that we could get something rolling with this subject given the divide in the Radical Left Movement between libertarianism and state power.
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/Should We Disband the Marines?
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/Should We Disband the Marines?
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I am kind of sad that there were so few people who either interacted with the Fascist and Communism duel ideologies thread as that could had been extremely interesting topic to discuss upon IU and also that there was so few people who seemed to even notice my post on how my character views Fascism and thus argued/ dissected it.
Religious_Commie said:
I am kind of sad that there were so few people who either interacted with the Fascist and Communism duel ideologies thread as that could had been extremely interesting topic to discuss upon IU and also that there was so few people who seemed to even notice my post on how my character views Fascism and thus argued/ dissected it.
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/ Should we disband the Marines?
I arose another question - in the book "Bull Hour" heroes talk about society Tormans and try to find the roots of all planetary dictatorship. Mention "Gangster Capitalism (obviously the United States, in an alternate reality for them can get the Entente and Brazil), and" Formic Pseudo-socialism "(talk about Maoist China, perhaps the Soviet Union). Question - what system will be called "ant Pseudo-Socialism" ITL?
Quotes from the novel -
"We are faced with a kind of society,
analogues was not in the history of the Earth or noncommunist civilizations of other planets. It is not clear whether it was a further the development of monopoly capitalism or state formic pseudo - socialism. As you know, both of these forms were closing in our earth's history like the establishment of oligarchic dictatorship. At first in the world socialism to capitalism imitated in his race for material strength and mass production of cheap, sometimes bringing in victim ideology, education, art. Some socialist Asian countries have tried to create at the socialist system as possible rather, it is sacrificing everything that was possible, and worst of all - irreplaceable human and natural resources. "
"Formic pseudo-socialism created in China, had just embarked on the path of socialist development, by the seizure of power by a small group which with the help of dropouts youth smashed the state apparatus and put forward as absolutely unquestionable authority of the "great", "greatest", "sun-like" leader. In either case, the end result was brutal oligarchy with multi-hierarchical ladder. Selection on the ladder descended on the grounds of reckless and irresponsible devotion, supported by cheap payoff.
Please note that the novel was written in the early seventies, which means that to criticize the Soviet system directly - bad idea.
Quotes from the novel -
"We are faced with a kind of society,
analogues was not in the history of the Earth or noncommunist civilizations of other planets. It is not clear whether it was a further the development of monopoly capitalism or state formic pseudo - socialism. As you know, both of these forms were closing in our earth's history like the establishment of oligarchic dictatorship. At first in the world socialism to capitalism imitated in his race for material strength and mass production of cheap, sometimes bringing in victim ideology, education, art. Some socialist Asian countries have tried to create at the socialist system as possible rather, it is sacrificing everything that was possible, and worst of all - irreplaceable human and natural resources. "
"Formic pseudo-socialism created in China, had just embarked on the path of socialist development, by the seizure of power by a small group which with the help of dropouts youth smashed the state apparatus and put forward as absolutely unquestionable authority of the "great", "greatest", "sun-like" leader. In either case, the end result was brutal oligarchy with multi-hierarchical ladder. Selection on the ladder descended on the grounds of reckless and irresponsible devotion, supported by cheap payoff.
Please note that the novel was written in the early seventies, which means that to criticize the Soviet system directly - bad idea.
Redshank Galloglass
Banned
AH Thread: Military Patriotism/Should We Disband the Marines?
The info about the American Marines is all taken from a convo I had with Jello. While they are both under one organization, the Fleet Marines are more traditional marines, serving as shipboard counterinsurgency experts (think raiders on crack) whereas shock marines are Expeditionary assault troops, like WFRA guards units but naval.
*Gravedigger: Nickname for the American Marines earned in the South American theatre from Brazilian Army troops, who feared them for their tenacity and combat skill. The Marines savaged the Brazilians on a daily basis and were considered some of the deadliest combat troops in the South American Theatre.
The info about the American Marines is all taken from a convo I had with Jello. While they are both under one organization, the Fleet Marines are more traditional marines, serving as shipboard counterinsurgency experts (think raiders on crack) whereas shock marines are Expeditionary assault troops, like WFRA guards units but naval.
*Gravedigger: Nickname for the American Marines earned in the South American theatre from Brazilian Army troops, who feared them for their tenacity and combat skill. The Marines savaged the Brazilians on a daily basis and were considered some of the deadliest combat troops in the South American Theatre.
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