New Timeline: HSF Sorties to assist the German 1918 Spring Offensive

Armored belts of both battleships and battlecruisers are only a few feet in depth, so most normal torpedohits will be below it, as the normal torpedodepth is set between 3 and four meters in engagements between torpedocraft and capital ships. (sometimes they are even set at greater depths, as they can therefore travel under the keels of escorting destroyers, without hitting them, and going for the capital ships instead.)

Torpedodamage shouls be much mre severe, given the nature of the time and age of the ships involved. A single 45 cm torpedo from SMS Wiesbaden nearly caused the HMS Marlborough, one of the most modern British battleships at Jutland, to flood beyond savety, so four or five hits is nearly always overkill. (even two torpedoes on any WW1 battleship is enough to destroy it completely, since torpedodefense was almost non existend at that time.)

So in your scenario, the entire 2nd Scouting Group of the Battlecruiserforce is destroyed under normal circumstances, just as the hits on these ships were all overkill. The entire 6th Battle Squadron too should have been destroyed, as these were hit by overkill too, and due to the already poor design of these first generation USN Dreadnoughts. Most likely one or two ships would simply blow up under the shock, created by the hits, given the unstable propelant, still in use in both USN and Royal Navy at this time. Germany used much mroe stable propellant.

I am enjoying your writing... but I would have to agree with our friend warspite (sorry about sinking your ship in manstein in africa by the way)... 4 torpedo hits on any ww1 era ship would rip its guts out and sink it under almost any circumstance (Pearl Harbor provided quite clear evidence of this)
 
HMS Tiger was a lovely ship wasn't she? The best of the Cats IMHO.....

Yeah, I don't really want to get into the point of adding in hit for hit information as I will make those few minutes last for pages and pages! :eek:

I can certainly add more detail about ship damages but it is just as easy to do that in an after-action report (and simpler too!). As for the rest it is really just a slogging battle in which the better German armor counters the larger calibre allied shells and so on.

I can add in the odd bit of extra detail here and there though, but if I start going mad then there is no stopping it! lol

I did look up the firing ranges of the 11", 12" German and 13.5" UK guns. Offically 20.5km (Both 11.1", 12" HSF) and 21.5km (13.5" UK) on maximum elevations so the UK opening fire at extreme range a few minutes earlier should be feasable from a technical point of view. Either way, The BC Squadrons sight each other at 20 miles or 32 km and open fire at.....

ohh my math was bad. 13.3 miles for 13.5" & 12.7 for 11.1" & 12" on paper at any rate. ah ha! it was the 15" guns of Repulse and Renown that had the 18 mile ranges! HSF 15" had a comparable range I believe. Repulse and renown are the second ships in each column. Tiger front & center. The other two cats trailing her with the Repulses then the Indefatigable and Invincible classes at the rear.

Few tweaks to make either way.
 
Even hits on the armour belts?

The German navy had a lot of experience with torpedo attacks on warships... it is unlikely that so many of their hits would be direct on the belts because their fish were designed to operate several meters below the water line to counterract them. Assuming this torpedo attack was always something they had planned to do if they happened to encounter the British fleet in numbers all of their torpedos would have been configured this way and it would only take 1 flush hit to severly damage a BC and 2 or 3 would be quite lethal depending on the spacing... (there is an excellent video that exists of an italian torpedo boat striking an austrian battleship and sinking her in the adriatic i don't recall how many hits were recorded but the message was rather clear)

The Japanese mini subs and air dropped torpedos were launched against ships of this vintage and their effect was devastating... IMO you may have wanted to put more emphasis on the bc's and americans using their secondary armaments to fend off or damage the destroyers and torpedo craft so they wouldnt score so many hits

Edit: here is the text of the wiki article on the torpedo attack on the austrian battleship, I have seen video footage of this and it was quite impressive for ww1 and keep in mind this austrian ship had more armor including belt than british bc's:


The Premuda attack
At 3.30 a.m. on the morning of June 10, 1918, the battleship Szent István in the company of SMS Tegetthoff and seven other ships en route to attack the Otranto Barrage, was hit by two torpedoes launched from the Italian MAS-15 Motor Torpedo Boat under Corvette Captain Luigi Rizzo near Premuda island, near Zara. Many of the 1087 crew were asleep, getting rested for the battle expected in a few hours. Immediate chaos soon changed into frantic efforts to save the vessel which was rapidly shipping water. Even the Tegetthoff was hit by another torpedo from a second MAS, but it did not exploded.

The last moments of SMS Szent István, hit by a torpedo ot the Italian MAS of Luigi Rizzo.


Then the Tegetthoff, which had at first sped away from the vicinity of the torpedo attack, returned and took the Szent István in tow, in an attempt to reach the massive dry dock at Pola. However the pumps were unequal to the task before them and the ship continued to slowly list, sinking at 6.12 a.m.[1]
It is said she sank easily due to faults in the Tegetthoff class design: relatively low displacement and high centre of gravity, together with the tremendous weight of 12 × 305 mm main artillery. There were, however, only 89 dead, partly attributed to the fact that all sailors with the KuK had to learn to swim before entering active service.[1]
The attack on the Otranto Barrage was cancelled as a consequence of this attack.[1]
 
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Between the two fleets, small craft from both sides were engaged in a general melee with the British destroyers trying to torpedo the German torpedo boats and destroyers, and the German torpedo boats and destroyers trying to break through and torpedo the British Battle Cruisers.
I find it hard to believe, that the British were actually trying to torpedo these small German vessels. Would it not have been wiser to use guns on them?

Plus I also agree with the posts above. The German destroyers and torpedo boats should have a greater effect on those battleships. The German torpedoes at that time were quite good. Think of all the capital ships that were sunk by u-boats during WWI!
 
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I find it hard to believe, that the British were actually trying to torpedo these small German vessels. Would it not have been wiser to use guns on them?

Guns and torps. The British DDs are outnumbered 48 to 135ish. Even with BB support they are having to use everything to try and stop the German DDs and tc (Torpedo Craft) from launching their attack. I may give each UK BC Squadron another flotilla making 96 against 135 - slightly better odds and easier to stop German craft torpedoing UK/US ships.
 
So far so good,


I see you are taking the commends seriously on this very interesting scenario so far. Keep on with the good work!

Perhaps a suggestion would be interesting to involve some shorebased airpower in the (coastal) parts of the plot as well, as the English Channal is certainly a great possibility for the 1918 generation aircraft to come into play, as are the Zeppelin's of the Germans.

The Germans were already frequently using the great Zeppelin's for scouting, as well as bombingmissions on both fixed shore and moving naval targets. (The later with little succes by the way.) The British were very advanced in their experiments and trials with naval attack planes, carrying torpedoes mainly, as the British were not very enthousiast about bombing. Some early aircraft carriers carried the first Naval torpedobombers, which could carry a small 14 inch torpedo. (HMS Argus carried a squadron of eight innitially in 1918, while HMS Furious could also carry a few, in her hybrid form.) Could be making a small, but interesting factor in Naval Warfare in 1918!!!
 
The German Zeppelins were alinged with the subs so missed most of the GF sorte. As for aerial power, well in the channel I did include some but only as land bombers which had little or no effect due to light bombs only being carried. HMS Furious I need for the next part and so cannot put her into danger here. For sake of this story she misses the operation due to being in drydock for maintance.

My times - now properally worked out - mean that I can do a lot of damage to the HSF without aircraft. It also means that the ranges and times that ships open fire will actually make sense! I have also given the QE's 1x Destroyer Flotilla and each GF BC Squadron 2x Destroyer Flotillas. Dunno which ones but the destroyer leaders are "C" Class Light Cruisers.

That means that I can give GF BCs 96 DD vs 135 DD HSF. Makes torpedo attacks a lot harder and less effective! Those ships that got mauled still will though, but just by less torps.

I will re-write that entire last section and re-post it.
 

Paul MacQ

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Other then Torpedoes I am thinking would be more Deadly

It would be a mix of 17.7" on older boats and 19.7's on newer ones.

An amidships hit by a German 19.7" should stop most Battle cruisers in there Tracks. And should be hitting under there main Belt as described above.

Thinks few Torpedo Hits as Defensive guns have effect,

A WW1 Battle wagon hit by 2-3 Torpedoes in the open sea for the most part will be dead in the water and most would be sinking,

Remember most of the 17.7" Torps dropped in Pearl Harbour would have a Lighter war head than the mostly 19.7" being used by the Germans here.

Other that than a great read.
 
Remember most of the 17.7" Torps dropped in Pearl Harbour would have a Lighter war head than the mostly 19.7" being used by the Germans here.
The ONLY good torpedo is the Japanese Type 93 Long Lance. Lucky for the GF BCs they are not developed yet :rolleyes:
 
The ONLY good torpedo is the Japanese Type 93 Long Lance. Lucky for the GF BCs they are not developed yet :rolleyes:


There were more "good" torpedoes, other than the most famous of them all. It is not that black and white, as has been mentioned before.

German torpedoes of the 1914 - 1919 period were the most reliable ones in service at that period in history, closely followed by the ones in use on the Royal Navy. Japan and the Netherlands also had good "fishes" in this period. Most other navies were a bit behind on this, especially France, USA and Russia.

German torpedoes (and most other torpedoes) in the Great War were mainly steam powered and therefore easy to spot, given their wakesignature. German torpedoes, however had a slightly longer range and a slightly bigger charge, compared to equal sized contemporaries.

Germany also had several new experimental torpedoes, such as the electric driven one, specially addapted for the submarines, as they disliked the presurized steamdriven ones in the enclosed spaces inside a submarine. A fuel driven torpedo was also experimented with, but with little results it seemed.

generally the surface launched torpedo was steamdriven, while submarines often prefered electric ones. Steam powered torpedoes of German origin were capable of some 4,000 yards range, slightly longer than the most common 3,000 yards on most British torpedoes of that time, so the Germans could actually threaten opponents, out of range of their own weapons. Together with the German preference to strike during the night, this was a powerfull weapon. (German surface forces were highly trained for short range night battles, indicated by the large and numereous number of searchlights often carried by all German ships in the Hochsee Flotte. Japan later coppied this sort of tactic, which resulted in great battles during the WW2 period.)
 
There were more "good" torpedoes, other than the most famous of them all. It is not that black and white, as has been mentioned before.
Yeah I know. I just happen to be partial to the Long Lance! lol Torps were developed well and fast as they were the cheapest and easiest way to sink a ship.
 
Maximum combat range of German torpedoes in 1918 was 6,000 - 8,000 metres; they would run up to 10,000 metres, but then be so slow that they formed hardly a danger anymore.
They were, however, easy to spot because of their bubble trails.

They were generally set for great depth; the Germans on some occasions didn't score in combat with light enemy craft because their torpedoes underrun the opposing small vessels.
 
They were, however, easy to spot because of their bubble trails.
Which is exactly why the light German forces are trying to close to 1000 yards. Minimal avoidance time/distance for the UK BCs & US BBs.

If the Germans start to suffer massive losses though, they will launch from further with limited effect.
 
Agree, at large distances torpedoes could only be used against 'line targets'. For individual objects it was: The closer the better.
Torpedoes weren't actually much faster than the boats which launched them, max. torpedo speed was 36 knots.
 
One advantage of night attacks with torpedovessels is the darkness, covering the trails of the torpedoes. Most could not be spotted visually, especially in any sort of weather other than clear. Untill the torpedoes were very close, less than 100 yards, they could be identified visually in total darkness, which is far too late to make effective evasive action normally. Unless you have advanced acoustic sensors, which is something of a later period, you cannot detect a torpedo, untill it is visually spotted, or when it detonates.
 
ok. New update. Apoligies for not doing it over the weekend, but my PC at home has issues with me writing html there! lol

Anywho..... I have deleted the two previous story posts as this replaces them partially. This update covers 15 mins. Sighting till DDs open fire. Ranges and times calculated properally this time :eek: Comments please.

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March 22nd 1918
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Admiral Scheer received the report of unknown ships dead ahead of him and closing fast with expectation yet surprise. While he had been expecting units of the Grand Fleet to intercept him, he had thought that they would have come from the North or North-West - From behind him in essence. Ships in front of him meant that there must have been at least one squadron of the Grand Fleet at sea and unknown to Naval Intelligence.

He had known that this decision would probably have had to have been made, and he had already decided that if fleet action occurred then his ships would break and head for port in their squadrons at maximum speed. He therefore gave orders that destroyers were to launch a mass torpedo attack on the approaching ships and thereby clear the way for the fleet. The Battle Cruisers were leading the fleet, and they were to break away and head for home at maximum squadron speed under the independent command of Admiral Hipper. He also radioed the SMS Derfflinger and told her captain, Kapitan zur See Schlick that he was to proceed home independently and to scuttle the ship if it was cornered and going to be captured.

Looking ahead, Admiral Scheer could see the SMS Derfflinger as she broke formation, turned 180 degrees and headed back towards the English Channel. Her Captain was going to risk staying at sea for a day or so longer before trying to sneak her back to Germany. He could feel the vibrations in the deck increase as the SMS Baden accelerated to her maximum speed of 18 knots in the current conditions. All around him, he could see the destroyers as they accelerated past the Baden towards the oncoming ships to press home their attack and clear the way for his fleet, and he could see the cruisers as they took position close to the Battleships and Battle Cruisers as the new screening force.

Aboard the lead German destroyer, the captain received Admiral Scheer's orders and called for maximum revolutions. Even although only a few minutes had passed, his lookouts could already make out the shapes of the enemy ships approaching. They were all destroyers and they were approaching at speed. In his sealed orders he had been ordered to only attack the main enemy fleet with torpedoes if the HSF was attacked so he decided to close at maximum speed until 1000 yards from the enemy capital ships and then launch his torpedoes, giving him time to break away, and his targets minimal avoidance time. He did not want to get closer as following ships would also launch torpedoes and the last thing he wanted was to be hit by his own side! If he was engaged by light enemy forces then he would defend himself, and turn to attack them after he had launched his torpedoes. He told his bridge officers his plan and just after they left the bridge for their battle stations a lookout told him that an enemy capital ship was firing. A few seconds later waterspouts erupted well ahead of his ship. Somewhat surprised that he was being shot at with 18 miles range he raised his binoculars and looked at the enemy capital ships. He could barely make them out on the horizon, but he could see 5 shapes instead of the 3 reported earlier, and he realized that two of them must be the 15" armed HMS Repulse and HMS Renown. These would be his targets he decided and ordered a runner to inform the torpedo officer of this. He also ordered the helmsman to zig-zag at random intervals and the gunnery captain to engage any light enemy forces that he could.

On board the British destroyer, the approaching ship was soon identified as a torpedo boat. The captain knew that his job was to keep these ships away from the fleet and to stop them launching torpedoes. He had already ordered his guns to open fire when they were within range, but with a gun range of 6.5 miles they would not open fire until 8:44am. He hoped that he could get close enough to launch his own torpedoes at the approaching destroyers and torpedo boats as well as using his guns on them, as their torpedoes were the main threat to the capital ships he was screening and he had to sink them using every weapon on his ship.

On board HMS Tiger, Captain Arthur Duff ordered the guns to open fire on any German torpedo boats or destroyers that were sighted, and for the main guns to fire on the approaching light craft until the larger German ships were within range (13.3 miles for HMS Tigers 13.5" guns) before switching to them. His guns would switch targets at around 8:50am his gunnery officer told him. Good he thought. He knew his crew was known for being the worst shots in the Fleet, but they had been training hard and he wanted to see if they could match HMS Renown and Repulse in combat. Both ships had pulled out of formation and were now firing at extreme range on the rapidly closing German craft.

Captain Duff knew that the scouting destroyer flotillas with the fleet were now converging in front of him along with their cruiser flotilla leaders, and that the two columns of Battle Cruisers behind him were now accelerating to 24 knots with the American Battleships bringing up the rear at 18 knots. Rear-Admiral Phillimore did not want to cross the German 'T' and so doing present a perfect target for the torpedoes, but at the same time had to find 4 hours for the Grand Fleet to catch the High Seas Fleet. He had therefore ordered his ships to risk the German torpedo attack and to cross the German 'T' following HMS Tiger's lead. She was to do so as soon as her guns were within range of the lead German capital ship. He was therefore to wait until approximately 8:50am his gunnery officer told him. He hoped that the majority of the German torpedoes would have been fired and be past him at the time he was to turn North-North-West. The ships behind him would follow his lead and they would cross the German 'T' that way. Also, by keeping their course for so long, they were combing the torpedo tracks - Approaching head on to them - and presenting the smallest possible target to hit, reducing the chance of being hit.

As he looked out the bridge wing to port, he saw the HMS Castor sail past him to take position ahead of the fleet. As a destroyer flotilla leader, she was also to intercept the German Destroyers before they could launch their torpedoes and to keep them occupied so that the big ships could slug it out without interference. He was glad that two destroyer flotillas had sortied with each of the two Battle Cruiser Squadrons. He would have liked more as reconnaissance from the previous day gave the HSF about 135 light craft - outnumbering his own by 40, but the American ships had to leave their destroyer escorts with the convoy that they had been escorting before being ordered South to intercept the HSF.

Turning his attention ahead again, he raised his binoculars to his eyes, focused them and focused on the numerous German ships approaching at speed. His guns were trained on them and waiting to open fire, but they were still at least 14 miles away and he didn't bother to try and count them as he could tell there were dozens. His destroyers were also well ahead of him now and were closing fast on the German craft, but had still not opened fire. That meant that they were still out of range at the current time.

A few minutes later, Captain Duff was blinded by smoke as HMS Tiger opened fire on the lead German destroyer. No hits had yet been scored on any German craft, but Repulse and Renown were getting close to their targets. He watched his shell splashes and saw with satisfaction that his gunnery training had paid off as his shells landed directly behind a German destroyer. It should have been closer he thought, but still, a good start.

Onboard the lead German craft, the Captain ordered a change of course. The last shell splashes had been far too close for his comfort. He had been drenched by the sea water thrown aboard. He felt the ship heel over and saw more distant flashes indicating more shells were heading his way. Some 30 seconds later they arrived. He never heard them during their flight but the last thing he saw was a 15" shell hitting his destroyer directly in front of the bridge. Onboard the next nearest destroyer, a rating reported that the flotilla leader had been hit and was sinking. As he watched, he saw a massive explosion in front of the bridge made by the two 15" shells that had hit her. The explosion touched off the forward magazine, but even without its aid it was sufficient to blow the ship in two. The bow section veared off to one side, capsized and sank within 20 seconds. The stern, still being driven at 28 knots, pushed itself under at speed. Out of a crew of 114 souls, there were no survivors, and first blood had been drawn by the Royal Navy.

That destroyer had been unlucky as she was hit by the last salvo fired by HMS Repulse before she switched targets to the SMS Von der Tann, the lead German Battle Cruiser which had just come into extreme range. Her place in shooting was taken by HMS Castor and the other 3 destroyer flotilla leaders though, as their 6" guns were now within range of the approaching German torpedo boats and destroyers. The British solidarity of firing was at an end however. The water between the two fleets erupted in fire as the British destroyers and German torpedo boats and destroyers gained gunnery range and opened fire on each other. At the same time, the German Battle Cruisers came within range of the British Destroyers and opened fire on them as well. 15 Minutes had passed since the fleets had sighted each other and the battle for the survival of the High Seas Fleet was now on.
 
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By 1918, the German torpedo boats had been up-armed with 10.5 cm guns, which were more than equal to the customary British 10.2 cm destroyer guns, because their shell weight was 17.4 kg opposed to 11.4 kg with the British shell.
 
March 22nd 1918
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Onboard the British destroyers, they knew that they had just entered hell on water when every ship in front of them seemed to open fire at the same time. Waterspouts erupted all around the lead British ships, just as their shells erupted around the light German forces. The two sides light ships were closing at 48 knots. The German ships were trying to get through the British forces to attack the battle line and the British forces were trying to stop them. The battle raged for the next 6 minutes without any other ships coming into range. Numerous ships on both sides were hit and sinking or sunk by the time HMS Tiger's gunnery officer declared that the main guns were within range of the German Battlecruisers. With that, they swung towards the SMS Hindenburg and belching flame opened fire. Once they had fired, Captain Duff ordered the ship to turn North-North-West to cross the German 'T'.

Behind him, the other 6 British Battlecruisers formed line and turned with him, all opening fire on the 4 remaining German Battlecuisers. Onboard the SMS Von der Tann, it was not hell, but it was close to it thought KzS Mommsen. HMS Repulse and Renown had been firing on her for 6 minutes without interruption, and their reputation as crack shots was well deserved he thought. For the first few minutes he had watched shell splashes get closer and closer to his ship, but that last salvo before he saw the British start to turn to open up their aft arcs of fire had hit. At 14 miles range the most of the shells that hit did not penetrate the armor, but one had hit in the vicinity of the starboard-forward castle mate gun and he had watched as it was bodily blown some 300 yards out to sea. Well he thought, at least with the British turning North-West, he will not be engaging them on that side.

On the port bridge wing, an ensign reported excitedly that the SMS Baden and SMS Bayern had opened fire! As he watched, shell splashes erupted in the sea behind HMS Repulse and Renown. At the same time, their guns fired and the same ensign dutifully reported that shell splashes had fallen off the beams and in front of the SMS Baden and Bayern. Onboard HMS Repulse, Rear Admiral Henry Oliver acted quickly. He knew that if a 15" shell hit his ship, then even at 18 miles her 9" armor belt would have trouble stopping the shell. He therefore ordered all Battlecruisers to take the necessarily evasive action while in line, and for the Repulse and Renown, as faster ships, to increase speed as they saw fit.

A minute after he gave the order, Admiral Hipper onboard the SMS Hindenburg was told that his ships were now 12.5 miles from the British Battlecruisers and that they could open fire on them. Wasting no time, he gave the order and all his ships took aim on their new targets and opened fire. Onboard the SMS Von der Tann, KzS Mommsen smiled as he watched his first salvo fall 200 yards from HMS Tiger. He would soon be scoring hits he thought, and with the Repulse and Renown no longer firing at him, it would be a while before the new ships shooting at him got their eyes in.

On HMS Tiger, Captain Duff acted quickly after seeing the shell splashes fall just 200 yards off his port beam. They already almost had him, and shooting that accurate could only have come from his target - the SMS Von der Tann. His guns then fired and the shells fell somewhere behind her. Still not good enough he thought. He will have to conduct more practices when they get back to port. His secondary guns were having better luck however and had already accounted for several light German ships. There were still many more however and they were now closing fast. Even as he lowered his binoculars he saw the first one launch its torpedoes and turn aside. Over the next few minutes a dozen more craft launched.

Admiral Hipper watched his shells hit the HMS Lion through his binoculars, an ensign yelled that one of the British ships had been hit by a torpedo. He focused on the ship, and identified the ship as an Indefatigable Class Battlecruiser. The hit had been amidships on her and had had no apparent effect oh her. As he watched the HMAS Australia (Not that he knew her name) he saw more torpedoes hit the two ships following her. They had both been identified as Invincible Class Battlecruisers and since he knew that the HMS Invincible had been sunk by his squadron at the Battle of Jutland, he knew that both the HMS Inflexible and HMS Indomitable had been hit.

The hit to HMAS Australia had been relatively severe in fact. Not that Admiral Hipper knew it at the time, but the torpedo hit below the armored belt and an empty coal bunker. It caused flooding and because the coal bunker was empty, a secondary coal dust explosion. The explosion blew into the empty coal bunker forward of the hit one and did not do any severe damage, but doubled the flooded area. The net result was that the Australia took on 1500 tons of water could only make 15 knots without dockyard repairs.

On board the HMS Indomitable, Captain Kennedy received the reports that his ship had been hit by three torpedoes calmly. The initial reports told him that all 3 torpedoes had hit the same general area. While she was not in immediate danger from sinking, due to the grouping, the damage control captain told him that unless he slowed down, the damage would worsen so Captain Kennedy gave the order to reduce speed to 10 knots and to pull out of line. Once the bulkheads in the damaged area were shored up, then he would then increase speed again.

HMS Inflexible was in much more serious trouble due to her hits. Like the Indomitable, she was suffering. Of the 3 torpedoes that detonated when they hit her, two hit below the 6" armor belt and caused severe flooding. The third hit below the 4" belt forward and caused local flooding and she took on 200 tons of water. Coupled with the massive amidships damage, she slowed to a crawl and Captain Heaton-Ellis reluctantly ordered her to retire from combat. His ship was in sinking condition and he was not about to let her be shot out from under him without trying to save her first.

Although the Germans had lost over 50 light craft sunk or sinking and another 20 or so damaged, they had effectively reduced the number of British Battlecruisers by two retiring from combat, with a third still in combat but in severe trouble. Admiral Hipper therefore gave the order that the Hindenburg was to concentrate on this third, crippled ship. He hoped that he could quickly sink her and therefore reduce the number of ships firing on him to 4. If only he could get past these ships then he would be home free he thought. Just then, an ensign reported that there were 5 more large ships appearing from behind the British ships at a range of 15 miles. They had been obscured by the smoke from the British ships up until that point. Admiral Hipper looked at these new ships and couldn't make out their class so he ordered the spotting top to identify them for him. A few minutes later the report came back that they could not identify the class of ships, but that they were flying American battle ensigns from their yardarms.

On the HMAS Australia, Captain Claude Cumberlege knew he was in more than a little trouble when shell splashes erupted from the sea directly in front of his ship. So far nobody had fired at them, but having slowed down and listing heavily, somebody obviously thought that she could be quickly finished off. He did not know that it was the SMS Hindenburg that was shooting at him, but he did know that he was engaging the only Derfflinger Class Battlecruiser present. He raised his glasses to his eyes again and watched in satisfaction as an explosion occurred between her funnels. He didn't know weather it was the Australia or the HMS New Zealand that had hit her, but either way she had been hit.

Onboard the Hindenburg, Admiral Hipper received the report that the shells had knocked out several light guns but apart from that had done no damage. All of his ships had been hit by now and with the range from his ships to the British Battlecruisers now some 6 miles. He was lucky that his ships were all still steaming at 24 knots. It was however apparent to both Admirals Scheer and Hipper that the British had much improved shells than at Jutland and that their ships were going to suffer as a result. At this range, shells from both sides were tearing through armor and causing devastation aboard all of the Battlecruisers, but the German Battleships, although firing, were still at extreme range and had not scored many hits so far.

Onboard the HMS Repulse, Rear Admiral Oliver knew that his ships were in trouble. Two were retiring, one was crippled and the other four had been hit so some degree. HMS Repulse had suffered only superficial damage, but looking out of the bridge he could see HMS Renown behind him ablaze amidships from a volley of shells that the SMS Bayern had fired. As he watched he could see the damage control crews fighting the fire and slowly getting it under control. One advantage of being under fire he thought - Near misses dumped tons of water onboard and helped put out fires!

On the HMS Princess Royal, the third ship in line, Captain Walter Cowan cursed as another salvo of shells slammed into her somewhere aft. He was being hit hard but thankfully he was hitting back equally as hard. An ensign handed him the latest damage report. The shells had hit the aft turret and disabled it. There had been no cordite explosion but the damage was severe enough to require a dockyard repair job. He cursed again and ordered a slight alteration in course to throw the German spotters. He was grateful however as cordite handling at Jutland had cost the GF 3 Battlecruisers including the Princess Royals half-sister HMS Queen Mary.

So far, the Germans had concentrated on the British Battlecruisers, but now things were going to change. Onboard the bridge of the lead American Battleship, the USS New York, Rear Admiral Rodman ordered his 14" guns to open fire on the German Battlecruisers. Feeling the ship shudder as they fired, the watch officer reported that light German forces were heading directly for his ships. No doubt they were going to try and torpedo him. Now that he was in range, he also ordered the turn that would cross the German 'T' and bring his aft guns to bear.

For 7 minutes his ships managed to fire un-interrupted on the German Battlecruisers which were now very close to the British ships, before two things happened. The first was that the surviving light German craft launched their torpedoes at him - Several more having been sunk or disabled by his guns on their approach - and also a massive explosion occurred on the SMS Von der Tann directly in front of the bridge. When the smoke cleared she was still under way at full speed, but she had swung out of line towards the British. He could not watch further as his ships had to take avoiding action against the German torpedoes at that time. Of his 5 ships, two were hit by torpedoes that detonated. The middle ship in line and the German point of aim, the USS Delaware, got hit by at least 5 torpedoes. The USS Florida behind her got hit by one. The Florida took on several hundred tons of water, but shrugged off her hit while taking avoiding action as the USS Delaware started to list heavily immediately after the torpedo impacts. The crew was witnessed jumping over the side as she slowly capsized. The Germans had done their job well with her. Her entire engineering spaces were blown out under the armor belt and that had sealed her fate.

On the HMAS Australia, Captain Cumberlege watched as the explosion rocked the SMS Von der Tann. She was obscured by smoke - partially due to her own guns firing and partially due to the hit. He never knew who hit her or where the shells hit, but the quantity of smoke was impressive. He was still watching as she burst from the smoke cloud, turning hard for the British ships. Onboard the Von der Tann, KzS Mommsen was blown into the bulkhead behind him by the force of the explosion. As he regained his senses and picked himself up he realized that he was not dizzy, but that the ship was leaning over. Staggering to the front of the bridge he was relieved to see that she was not sinking, but horrified to see that she was swinging towards the British ships! Calling down to the helmsman he got no reply and ran down to the compartment himself. He was shocked to see that there was no longer a forward bulkhead and that the helmsman was shredded by shrapnel, his dead hands still clasping the wheel. KzS Mommsen fought through his shock and grabbed the wheel and swung the Von der Tann back into line as members of the damage control party arrived. Luckily one was a helmsman from another watch, so he handed the wheel over to him.

Things were not much better onboard all of the German Battlecruisers as at 6 miles range the British shells were causing extreme damage. Admiral Hipper was just thinking that things could not get much worse when an ensign reported that the American ships were altering course and then yelled excitedly as he reported one capsizing! Good news at last thought Admiral Hipper. He could now use some more! His prayers in that instant seemed answered as the British ships again altered course and ceased firing on him. Instead they trained their guns on Admiral Scheer's battleships some 4 miles behind him or 10 miles distant from them.

Admiral Hipper was extremely grateful at this turn of events at 9:04am. If he could get past the remaining four American Battleships, he was home free. Less than 30 minutes of combat he was past the first hurdle. He therefore gave orders to engage the American ships as soon as they came into range. He was told that he was just inside gunnery range, and his forward guns swung away from the British ships and aimed at the American ships 12 miles distant. The aft guns could not bear on the American ships and continued to engage the British Battlecruisers however.

Scanning the damage reports from his four ships, he saw that they were all still capable of steaming at 24 knots, but that all of them had damage to their guns to some extent. The Von der Tann's forward turret was temporally disabled by the hit he had witnessed, and most of her secondary guns were un-workable. She had also been hit astern and her aft torpedo tube was destroyed. She had also taken on some 400 tons of water but the pumps were coping well and she was in no immediate trouble. On the SMS Moltke, it was much the same story. Numerous secondary guns were disabled, but also her 'B' turret (Starboard wing) and 'C' turret (Aft Super firing) had been hit and both were only going to fire again with dockside repairs. 'B' turret did not bother him much as it could not bear on the British ships passing to Port, but 'C' turret was a loss. The SMS Seydlitz was suffering as at Jutland. Most of her forward crew quarters had been destroyed along with both of her aft turrets. A shell had scored a direct hit on her lower-aft turret and the roof had been blown off - Directly into the aft-super firing gun barrels effectively disabling that turret as well. She had also been hit below the waterline in several places and had taken on some 400 tons of water. Again however, the pumps were coping and her speed had not been affected.
On his own ship, the Hindenburg, Admiral Hipper was aware of the damage status. Numerous light guns were out of action, she had taken on 300 tons of water, but the pumps were making headway and speed was unaffected and also several shells had gone through the spotting top so each of the main guns were under local control. Not too bad overall he thought. Things could have been a lot worse. He was lucky that one American ship had been sunk and two British ones forced to withdraw. The HMAS Australia had been identified as the crippled Indefatigable Class Battlecruiser by the flag she flew, and his stern guns were still engaging her but she was stubborn and despite being hit multiple times was refusing to sink! She had slowed to a crawl, was listing heavily, on fire in several places, but still she stubbornly fought on as if the honor of her entire nation was at stake!

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Yes, I know. 3 Allied (Soon to be 4) ships down with no German losses - yet! I want most of the BCs to get home you see. The Germans will loose one against the US traded for another US BB. The HSF BBs will suffer really badly though. If you recall where I origionally ended the story - with the QE's in range. Would Admiral Scheer engage them with all of his ships or just a few of them?

He can't our run them (QE's = 6 knot advantage) and they have bigger guns (5 ships 8x15" vs 2 ships 8x15" & numerious 12"). Simply put he is out classed.

Give he as 4 hours before the QF catches him, would he:
1) Engage the QE's with all his BBs (and win through superiour numbers) but in turn get penned in by the surviving BCs and GF.
2) Fight a running battle although he is out ranged?
3) Order one or two squadrons of 12" ships to engage the QE's so that he can get the Bayerns home at their expense?

Thanks!
 
Well, it's kind of Xmas for the HSF: The opportunity to meet and beat the GF elements piecemal.
Scheer will order his BCs and the small craft to finish the British BCs and the US ships - and turn his whole BB fleet against the QEs.
With two attacks done, the torpedo boats should have sufficient torpedoes for two more attacks.
 
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