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(A follow up to this map I posted awhile back: https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/map-thread-xiv.383564/page-204#post-12836918)

Okay, everything is about to go crazy here. The year is 1960, 3 years after Nazi Germany (still led by Hitler) annexed the Berlin International Zone. Russia, an authoritarian "Democracy," immediately invaded Germany and Italy, Germany's ally. It looked easy at first. After 3 months, the Russian army had captured Munich and was just miles away from Rome and Milan. That was when Hitler had ordered the first atomic bombs to be dropped on Russian cities. The atomic bomb was created by German scientists with the help of Albert Einstein (even with Hitler, this Germany is a lot nicer to the Jews). Moscow, Leningrad, and Kiev were wiped off the map. This was when the Scandinavian Union joined Hitler's side and invaded Russian Finland. The Democratic Republic of Russia is rising from the ashes of the "Republic" of Russia. Meanwhile in Asia, India is in some deep sh*t. The Indian army is fighting Pakistani rebels (funded by Russia), Communists, and the Japanese (Currently the second most powerful country on Earth). In North America, the United States is being led by Earl Warren, a Republican, who is facing a tough reelection against John F Kennedy. The Americans are just watching the world burn around them. What's going on in the Middle East? Turkey and the new United Arab Republic are fighting Russia. Israel is not their goal yet. The Jerusalem International Zone is protected by British troops.

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A Map and Description of Europe in the year CY 150 of Bring Me Men To Match My Mountains (my own take on the Emberverse set 150 years after the Change)

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Europe was pretty badly devastated by the Change and the chaos that followed, like much of the developed world. Today however, the population is recovering, industry is only the rise, and the same social, economic, and political changes that are so transforming North America are present here as well.

The largest state in Western Europe is the United Kingdom, the flagship of the New British Empire (in truth the NBE is an economic empire, rooted on a coalition of constituent dominions with a mutual defense treaty, a free trade agreement, a common currency, and a few small islands and Sovereign Base Areas controlled by the Royal Navy thrown in). An emergency government managed to bring 1.8 million Britons through the Change through a combination of geography, skill, and very good luck, the UK then leveraged its very good Post-Change starting position into resuming its status as a world power (for more details check out my TL). The colonization of continent was gradual, initially quite a few French, German, and Spanish survivors migrated to the starting outposts in search of law, order, and a standard of living higher than that in the wilderness proper. Most of these assimilated, but as the British colonists pressed further into the interior they began to encounter larger, more organized statelets and groups of survivors (or rather their descendants) who fought against the encroachment into their lands. The British response was to conquer most of these groups and incorporate them into the UK by force. Eventually, faced with the threat of total conquest many of the smaller western European states joined together, resulting in the formation of La Mancha, Euskal Herria, and the Kingdom of France, which were strong enough and populous enough to resist successfully. La Mancha only recently had a puppet ruler installed by the British, there’s no expectation of it being annexed to the UK however- too big and too Spanish to integrate. There are still substantial French, Spanish, and German populations in the UK, but they are minorities in the British controlled parts of all three of those former countries (although they do make up local majorities in places like central France and the less agriculture friendly bits of Spain).

The capital of the UK has been back in a rebuilt London for the past decade, but in terms of population and industry the center of the country has shifted to the continent where the new industrial revolution thrives on water power driven by the Rhine, the Seine, and other rivers.

Quite a lot of Ireland survived as well, away from Belfast and Dublin the population density was low and agriculture common. Initially local government came together, organizing an emergency “Provisional Republic of Ireland” based out of Athlone. However the PRI fell under the control of a charismatic and powerful dictator, causing the city of Limerick as well as a number of towns along the River Shannon to break away and create a rival Irish government. Although officially named “Eire” and a rival for the title of legitimate government of Ireland, geography caused the Limerick based government to be known as the “Republic on the Shannon” (later the "Republic of the Shannon")- a moniker it kept even though it ended up losing control over most of the river itself. The PRI is a rogue state even for this world (it has its own Pope among other things) and is a hereditary dictatorship with a cult of personality around the Provisional President. It has successfully resettled the area around Dublin and defeated efforts by the UK to resettle Ulster, expelling surviving Irish Protestants within the territory under its control (most of whom immigrated to the UK). The Republic of the Shannon is a fairly normal, functioning democracy, allied with the UK and heavily armed as its neighbor to the north has tried repeatedly to conquer it. The Shannon has a colony on the East Coast of North America and its government once fled there temporarily during a war a generation ago with the PRI when it appeared as though Limerick was in danger of falling (it didn’t).

While most of the population of Scandinavia died of starvation following the Change, quite a few people survived in isolated regions, islands, and rural areas. Iceland, Greenland, and the Faeroe Islands came through the Change quite well, with low populations and a combination of rationing and fishing they were able to avoid any real starvation. Greenland and the Faeroes subsequently decided not to resurrect the Kingdom of Denmark (which they were autonomous countries of) and instead made a go of it on their own as independent states. In mainland Scandinavia a number of local and provincial governments survived in northern Sweden and Finland, quite a few Baltic islands- including Danish and Finnish islands such as Bornholm and the Aaland Islands- did well. Norway’s terrain also hid quite a few towns and small communities. In the years after the Change surviving Scandinavian local and provincial authorities co-operated with each other, providing mutual assistance that ranged from sharing food surplus to joint operations against bandits and warlords, to the resettlement project in Denmark and Southern Sweden where a large number of immigrants from Iceland (which could not support its full population for the long-term) and a handful from the Faeroes ended up residing. This informal co-operation was gradually formalized, eventually absorbing the projects to re-establish national governments. The Baltic Mutual Assistance Council became the Nordic Mutual Assistance Community, which together with the re-established Nordic Council and the Scandinavian Economic Co-Operation Zone eventually morphed into the Scandinavian Union in CY 96. The SU is a loose confederation with a great deal of autonomy for its members, most of whom are the old Scandinavian countries having gradually reknit themselves, absorbed surviving communities, and resettled empty areas. Although friendly with the UK, the North Atlantic island countries, and Estonia, the SU is most inward looking and isolationist- they still have a very low population density and a lot of territory to resettle.

Estonia is mostly descended from some 60,000 people who survived in the Estonian Islands and later moved back in to resettle the Baltic States, absorbing or defeating most other survivors in the area. Like Scandinavia they remain heavily rural and agricultural.

While the Portuguese government and most of the Portuguese population died after the Change, there were survivors particularly in the Azores. They organized an emergency Portuguese government there, and later when they made contact with the British, London (actually it was Douglas, Mann at that point in time) helped them to gradually regain control to the Portuguese mainland. The capital remains in Ponta Delgada (this is a theme you’ll hear a lot of) as Portugal proper is still lightly populated and mostly agricultural. Portugal remains closely allied to Great Britain, and it is worth noting that outside of the Azores Portuguese citizens speak English about as much as they do Portuguese.

There are five countries in Italy, the largest of which is the Umbrian League descended from a collection of surviving communities in the hills of central Umbria that now controls Northern and Central Italy. In Sicily and Southern Italy you will find the country of Sicily (just Sicily, no other descriptors) descended from survivors in the interior of that island who have also colonized a large part of former Tunisia. Both are rather oligarchic, Sicily more so than Umbria as Umbria at least holds symbolic elections and maintains the trappings of democracy. They very much do not like each other. The Emergency Administration of Corsica began as a regime in control of the town of Corte in central Corsica which unified the island and eventually incorporated Sardinia as well. Corsica is neo-feudal- its leadership is hereditary and controlled by one family- but not so neo-feudal as the Kingdom of France or Greece. The other two Italian states are Vatican City- finally restored to the Vatican, as the Papacy had fled to Umbria after the Change- and the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. The Knights held out in the fortress of St. Angelo after the Change along with as many civilians as they dared save, and later assumed control of the island of Malta proper. Currently their role in the administration of the island is mostly symbolic- an elected council of Maltese do the actual work- while Sicily is responsible for the defense and foreign relations of the country. The Maltese islands of Gozo and Comino are directly part of the Sicilian state.

Between the UK and Italy is the sprawling Alpine Confederation (which extends beyond the Alps in places). The Confederation began as a couple of surviving Swiss cantons recruiting surviving communities in the mountains to join them, and grew from there as towns, villages, statelets, and others in Switzerland, Italy, France, Germany, and other places joined up out of fear of British, Italian, and New Roman expansion. Unfortunately most of the Alpine member states are flavor of authoritarianism, ranging from neo-feudalism to old fashioned petty dictatorships (there are a few that are quite nice however). Internal politics are very Holy Roman, the national government is extremely weak, and most state functions are run on the local level by cantons and member states which function in most respects as if they were sovereign countries. The Alpine Confederation’s survival can be attributed to a few factors, notably the fact that its members have thus far been pretty good at presenting a solid block to outsiders. Its many little rulers have no desire to lose their power and privileges, after all. Go to war with one member and now you’re fighting the rest of Confederation, and it really isn’t worth the trouble to try and conquer the place when there is plenty of room elsewhere to settle and expand. That said, the country today is shakier than ever, internal conflicts threaten its unity, and many of the common people are influenced by democratic ideals flowing across the border from the UK.

On the Adriatic you have the New Roman Empire- created by a fairly strange Slovenian warlord after the Change who took over the island of Krk, did some conquering on the mainland after the population collapse finished, re-founded the Roman Empire and his successors kept the state going afterwards. (Think of him as a sort of Slovenian version of Norman Arminger, only obsessed with Romans instead of Normans). Austria is a former part of the NRE, which broke away about fifty years ago. (Like the Kingdom of France, the mixed Austro-Slovenian rulers of the Kingdom of Austria are in no way related to any pre-Change nobility.) South of the New Romans is Serbia- ironically descended from a Serbian survivor state located in former Montenegro. All three of those countries- Austria, New Rome, and Serbia- are neo-feudal, the Austrians the least and the Serbs the most (a consequence of both New Rome and the initial Serbian state allowing defeated warlords and independent communities limited autonomy within their countries in exchange for said warlords and communities surrendering and not fighting to the death).

They pale in comparison Greece, however.

Quite a few Greeks survived in the mountainous parts of central Greece and the Greek islands. These groups independently began to recolonize Greece and as time went on other surrounding territories. They fought and competed, and the Greek Federation is actually a fairly new creation. Rhodes- which is a rather direct democracy- opted out, and the federation is mostly made up of little dictatorships with varying degrees of autonomy and hereditary or pseudo hereditary leaderships. More or less the poster-child for modern day neo-feudalism, Greece combines ceremonial democracy with powerful families descended from figures who were successful after the Change and pass down their control over different offices to the next generation when they die. As with many parts of the world, ideas from the new renaissance are penetrating, and Populism- Europe’s equivalent to American Unionism- has its adherents among the Greek peasants. The Commonwealth of Cyprus- a constituent dominion of the New British Empire- wants no part of the Federation, nor does the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Asia Minor (a friendly British ally that does not in fact control all of the territory it claims to on the map).

Eastern Europe is still underpopulated, with large areas of villages and small statelets that no larger country has the population to absorb. Of note are the three cities of Eastern Europe- Poznan, Pinsk, and Vinnytsia which survived the Change. Poznan did so under a brutal regime that burned out large numbers of people and fed the living on the dead, but brought 200,000 people through the chaos, eventually absorbed the other Polish survivors and created a new Polish Republic (which is a quite genial oligarchy these days). Pinsk was conquered by a warlord of unusual competence, with a small population amid agricultural land it similarly began the germ for a new Belarus under the rule of said warlord’s descendants. Vinnytsia pulled through under the pre-Change local government and Ukraine is a fairly corrupt democracy under dominant-party rule.

Past that you get into the ruins of Russia- a predominantly Tartar Crimea under British protection (note also the Sovereign Base Area at the mouth of the Danube), the Cossack Don Host, neo-fedual Belgorod which tried to resurrect the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation (Vologda) which is a fairly normal oligarchy under emergency rule since the Change. Plenty of other Russian states further east. There is a strong and growing movement for Russian reunification, which is generally opposed by the rulers of the various Russian states (unless of course one were to suggest that Russia be reunited under them).

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Shouldn't the space elevators be on the equator?
I mean they're pretty close as-is.
“Pretty close” leads to shearing. I’m not sure that works… Then again, it’s possible that no material can be strong enough to make one on Earth in the first place, so if we’re ASBing things, we may as well put them anywhere. Or just use Lofstrom loops.
Pontianak is on the equator, and the East Kalamantan and Ho Chi Minh elevators were intended to be as well; if I miss my mark that's purely on me for misplacing the icons and so thanks for pointing that out. Will definitely be fixed.

As for Singapore, as was pointed out, we're dealing with some very soft science fiction here, so I figured with the elevators being made of handwavium, it wasn't an issue. However, if consensus is that's its too fast and loose with science and suspension of disbelief, it's something that can be removed. It's not a critical element by any means in the stories that these maps are supposed be worldbuilding fluff for.
 
“Pretty close” leads to shearing. I’m not sure that works… Then again, it’s possible that no material can be strong enough to make one on Earth in the first place, so if we’re ASBing things, we may as well put them anywhere. Or just use Lofstrom loops.[/QUOTE

Apprently according to the Youtube series Vsuase we could possibly do it with Carbon-nanotubes and this is known in 2016 so i reckon by the 2100's they would definatly create some form of material to be developed to be strong enough - bearing in mind as soon as the elevators in space its held up due to physic's .
 
Here's a cover of the Cornwallis setting from GURPS Alternate Earths 2:

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The PoD is that Turgot successfully convinces Louis XVI not to support the American rebels, and to support internal economic reforms. The US never wins its independence, the French Revolution is avoided, the Tories are empowered in Britain, and as a result democracy and nationalism and other revolutionary ideals never take hold in Europe (at least not yet) and technological progress is slower. Russia became more powerful than in OTL and eventually all the other European powers united against it, culminating in the Great War from 1962 to 1976 between Russia and the Quintuple Alliance of Britain, France, Spain, Austria, and Prussia. The war ended with Russian defeat and subsequently a revolution that saw the monarchy replaced with a republic which was in turn replaced with the radical totalitarian Russian Dominate, which is dedicated to overthrowing the Five Thrones of the Quintuple Alliance and spreading revolution throughout the world, including in the Britain's still oppressed and rebellious American colonies.
 
I did this before, and I've done it again.

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Somehow I ran into an old map done by B_Munro in AH.com(www.alternatehistory.com/forum…), which in turn was inspired by Mathuen’s TL(map here:mattystereo.deviantart.com/art…). I morbidly like the concept so I decided to make a re-imagined map of the setting.

As per original, a form of muscular secularism arose from United States after a fundamentalist terror attack gave rise to hardline atheist George Freemont which took power and declared war on fundamentalist Christianity and the formation of The Second Republic of United States. Its basic ideology is pretty much the same, Secular Humanism that seeks to end the reign of organized religion over society, which it actively spreads and often strengthening the already local undercurrents in places. Republican revolution that overthrew British “genteel fascism” and the monarchy it rallied around was also strongly anti-religious, although the degree to which religion is suppressed varies between Constituent Republics of Anglophone Federation. In Ottoman Empire, prolonged years of Great War and European Conflict had gradually strengthened the always secular-minded military to the point where they came to position to proceed with a creeping coup, rigged the parliament and filled it with their supporters, and eventually manipulate the royal succession to their favor. More *Baathist then *Kemalist, the secular regime has the Caliph in their hands, and with him the mainstream corpus of the ulema, granting them some legitimacy and the instrument to legitimize their agenda in Islamic context. This neo-oriental/neo-Islamic brand of secularism presents a politically correct way to pursue secularism, but it’s by no means a democratic one, and has proven to be divisive for the muslim world, with countries like Indonesia and Sokoto declared seccession from Osmanli spiritual leadership and join the opposing bloc while Moroccan Makhzen quietly settles for neutrality. Constantinople served as the site where alliance of secularist nations led by the US was signed and its Headquarters. Dubbed “Constantinople Accord”, it aims to create a united front against religious reactionarism as well as pursuing the common goals of advancing scientific progress and building a more rational world. Other major nations of the Accord are Germany, Japan and United States of Danube. Germany which saw the rise of radical nationalist socialist party into power after the ‘30s Nuclear War has now liberalized considerably, with intra-party factions competing in more or less democratic setting while still adhering firmly to national ideology, nowadays as much about Constantinopolian Consensus as about national populism. While Japan averted the jingoistic phase due to more credible challenge from China, and is now a country actively complementing institutional secularism, anti-Abrahamic by design, with its national culture, itself ever keeping up with western secular trend. Lastly, United States of Danube is Austria-Hungary that has successfully implemented federal arrangement. It is not perfect however, especially to Constantinopolian standard since ethno-religious intersectionality of its diverse population proves too sensitive for more straightforward imposition of rationalism. It instead pursues compromise between secular federal government with cultural localism. So far the delicate arrangement holds up, and is viewed by the rest of the Accord as better choice to either Christian ideology or fragmentation, as well as still reliable enough in marginalizing religious politics and pursuing containment of religious belief in private sphere, though there have been complains on the Danubians being rather slow and soft on it.

All in all The Accord is fairly inclusive, but perhaps too oriented towards Abrahamic setting. Most notable member highlighting said trait being the Revived Tawantisuya, originated in mutiny of Bolivian Indio soldiers after a dragging period of general Andean War gone terribly wild. Its rabid anti-Criollo hatred lends to credible anti-Catholicism that attracted American sympathy and cash after a while, but its despot-emperor openly embraced native messianism and proceeded with building a Neo-Inca Empire from scratch. After some debate, Americans decided to treat it as another First Nation spirituality and lend a hand in shaping the nation building process down the line. Perhaps such mindset was why America and the Accord at large were not ready with the rise of China, or at least what it turned out to mean. Through better stroke of luck after Taiping Rebellion, Qing China managed to successfully implement constitutional reform. At first ardently modernizing China was viewed optimistically as the future boost to secular cause against fundamentalism, but then it became apparent that its resolute Confucianism and Dynastic reverence prove incompatible with avant-garde rationalism that tends to degrade tradition. Thus China answers with Positive Traditionalism, a platform which inspires fellow conservative nations, reinforce them intellectually, and provide “Common Axis” around which to form a coalition. Members of Common Axis champion particularism specific to each own circumstances. There is Russia, which due to later World War had modernized just enough to reform for the sake of preserving older principles and values. It has combined Tsarist autocracy and Orthodox Conservatism with drive for scientific and industrial progress, and found Chinese Positivist platform further self-confirming. The third and rising star would be Bharatiya. What was formerly India was partitioned after the rise of Hindu Nationalist to power that seeks to build common national identity based on the nativity of Hindu-Dharmic religions while excluding every other, in a twisted coalition with muslim separatists that aimed for its muslim mirror. The divorce was cool and rather peaceful aside from horrendous deaths from pogroms and population exchange that followed. And natively-arranged partition of Jammu & Kashmir have denied both sides denied the most immediate pretext for conflict and have settled for cold mutual respect of the other’s privacy. Then there’s Indonesia, which in this universe saw a chain of events that brought closer national Islamic movement with more accommodating colonial government(the lost of Aceh made them treading VERY carefully with muslims). Its independence was achieved cooperatively after the socialist party won in Netherlands and proceeded to push for Indonesian self rule. The resulting country was a one party democracy that is a weird mix bag of liberal capitalism, muslim religiosity and Dutch-style communal pillarism. Often prides itself as an ideal multicultural Islamic country, it in fact puts muslim economic interest first and foremost and always strives to push potential competitors away, often the Chinese. The main difference between it and India is that at least it has less pogroms and more subtle encouragement to leave. And finally, there’s France and the British conservative exile regime in Kingdom of Australia. France is a classic anti-Jacobin reactionary through and through, though lately it has been accommodating of non-white European subjects as long as they strongly conform to Catholicism. While Australia claims to be “The Last True British” and is a haven for God-fearing white protestant committed to preserve the old British values.

Between the two blocs are countries that have decided to stay out of either for various reasons. There are Poland and Korea which are neutralized by the bigger nations that sandwich them from both sides. There are Switzerland and Sweden which are upholding traditional foreign policy. There are Brazil, Pakistan and Morocco who prefer to profit by taking the role of middleman between two blocs. And then there’s Colombia, who is too much of a perennial turf war sandbox to truly align with anyone.

The two alliances are clearly locked in stalemate. The Accord commands over most of the globe by land and reach, but the ever growing economies of Common Axis, propped by the huge size of its leading powers will sure to catch up, and this worries the Accord. And the prevalence of large nations of the world has granted it formidable balance of power, rendering it considerably resistant to change by hard power, with pretty much only Congo and Colombia as viable proxy war buffer zones. It’s thus a quite peaceful and stable world, which is an ire for the ideologues of both sides. Without any sharp divide on economic outlook, the accumulate economies of both blocs cannot avoid to merge. The Common Axis are thus gearing more towards pushing their bargaining position in an increasingly globalized economy, which The Accord fears will work.
 
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Faeelin

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Here's a cover of the Cornwallis setting from GURPS Alternate Earths 2:



The PoD is that Turgot successfully convinces Louis XVI not to support the American rebels, and to support internal economic reforms. The US never wins its independence, the French Revolution is avoided, the Tories are empowered in Britain, and as a result democracy and nationalism and other revolutionary ideals never take hold in Europe (at least not yet) and technological progress is slower. Russia became more powerful than in OTL and eventually all the other European powers united against it, culminating in the Great War from 1962 to 1976 between Russia and the Quintuple Alliance of Britain, France, Spain, Austria, and Prussia. The war ended with Russian defeat and subsequently a revolution that saw the monarchy replaced with a republic which was in turn replaced with the radical totalitarian Russian Dominate, which is dedicated to overthrowing the Five Thrones of the Quintuple Alliance and spreading revolution throughout the world, including in the Britain's still oppressed and rebellious American colonies.

I always loved this TL, for suggesting that America's presence did matter. I also got a dig out of the idea that Hayek is the world's best hope...
 

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A Roma Aeterna scenario. Fairly common, I know, but I wanted my own take.

The PoD is Agrippa being the sucessor of Augustus instead of Tiberius, and a more rationalized and meritocratic, less disastrous sucession system following afterwards, as well as a slightly greater expansion that meant more resources and revenues in a context of greater internal stability, Persia eventually being conquered and incorporated. An Iranian revanchist, revivalist kingdom would be formed around OTL Afghanistan and would displace the traditional Indo-Aryan culture. The barbaric push towards Rome found it in a much better shape: not only the border pressure was contained, but it prompted Rome to expand eastwards.

By the year 1000 of our Christian era (Christianity exists ITTL, but as a minority faction. Axum is the only Christian-majority nation), both China and Rome counted with gunpowder weaponry and printing press, and the Chinese Empire experienced its New Taoist Insurgency, a form of scholastic thought revolution which mixed with peasant revolts, and in which a series of weak emperors resolved compromising to rule as less as possible, and to ensure the ministerial roles to be as fluid as possible. In the subsequent centuries, Legalism and Confucianism would become increasingly discredited. The Mongol Empire never had the slightest chance of forming.

Exploration of the *Americas played as one of the first conflicts between both nations, in which Tlaxcala survived Romanization by siding with the Chinese, and Nasca would earn the deep respect of the Romans in their role against the Tlaxcalans. The scientific method still resisted its apparition: both Neoplatonist esoteric realism of the ideas and Aristotelian misconceptions, the Taoist initial lack of a coherent experimental methods and its fixation with a preconceived nature of Qi, Roman practical approach to engineering, all of them played against it. But the foundations for it came earlier and were more solid with an earlier difussion of books and without the lost and encapsulation of classical works. Engineering, sailing and optics would evolve as they did in the middle ages, but in a more urban, literate and interconnected world.

A scientific revolution finally happened in our 14th century, and industrialization came in their our 17th century. Earlier, there was a *Plague of Justinian roughly around the time it happened IOTL and even dealier than in our world, and a *Black Plague in our 16th century, that wasn't devastating to the degree of that of OTL, thanks to better hygiene and practical understanding of the situation. Our 18th Century was for them a time of deep social transformation. The Insurgency in China would adopt deeper political tones with the Centennial Analects on Nature, Dao and Non-Rule, wich would result in the People's Declaration of Wu-Wei. In Rome, the century would spark new Popular movements and several attempts at a Servile Revolution and landowner's insurrections once slaves were emancipated.

For the last centuries, China and Rome had fought each other in proxy wars, over the influence of third parties or even in exhausting, open and costly wars that ended in stalemate. The Last War, wich resulted in the use of nerve gas on civilian populations, persuaded each side of turning back to indirect methods like power games, military research and buildup. Eventually, both civilizations would set a purely bipolar world, with any remaining independent allied nation, either played against the other side or kept that way because it brings less problems and materially amounts to the same as direct annexation, firmly puppetized by one or the other. The last century has also incorporated the struggle towards a better and more efficient use of land and natural resources.

Between the puppet nations, diverse forms of government flourish. More-or-less autocratic monarchies in Nasca, Magyarorsga, Scythia, Ghana and the White Horde. Arya adopted the form of a Zoroastrian theocracy, and Axum is a form of Communitarian theodemocracy. Anasazi, Satsumon and the League of Amaravati, in their exotic forms, can be called republican democracies. Gangaridai, Igodomigodo, Silla and Srivijaya could well be called parliamentary monarchies. Tlaxcala and Wa are military dictatorships, though Wa's case could be more precisely called a martial take on the Wu-Wei system, or a polycentric shogunate. Finally, Dai-Ko Yue, extremely revanchist towards China anfter a centuries-long struggle for independence and the existential threat of its geopolitical location, is under a form of Hyper-Nationalist doctrine of collective leadership and mobilization that could be called Totalitarian.

As for the Big Two themselves, their forms of government reflect their philosophies, the big differences between East and West. On surface, both are almost identical. A part-elected, part-meritocratic chamber under the guidance of an Emperor who acts as a living rubberstamp. But Rome's social and political system is guided by Virtus, while the Chinese one is guided by Taoism, and specifically by Wu-Wei. Rome is hierarchical, rigid and communitarian, while China is egalitarian, individualistic and libertarian.

Indeed, even though Rome emancipated its slaves long ago, by the time the inertia of mechanization was rendering them moot, juridical equality is still considered a foreigner, anti-Roman concept. The same distinctions between Senate, Patricians, Equites and Plebeians persist, now with their social function much more precisely outlined and with the adition of the Libertos as a whole new social class (Plebeians, from a Marxian point of view, are the petite-bourgoisie and the workers' aristocracy, while Libertos are the proletariat). Women are enfranchised (given ten years of social services equivalent to the military service that enfranchises male citizens), but the figure of the Pater Familias persist: women only reach full legal equality with men if they become widowed. And it's still a martial society that glorifies violence, in which gladiatoral combat never fell out of fashion, but adapted to mechanization, mass-media and information technologies. There is a restricted degree of free speech in principle, but considering any deep criticism of this state of affairs can be taken as a pro-Chinese inclination, self-censorship works in full swing. The main revolutionary movements are Christian in nature, still prosecuted because of their conections with Axum, and hence China.

Though the main ethos of China is refined and highly ceremonial, it is at the same time libertine and cyberpunkish, with a laissez-faire and anti-State attitude that we would call Minarchist, but is also reminiscent of more left-wing anarchistic attitudes in how some communities have decided to play their part in the Empire. Taoistic morals prevent from a liberal use of cybernetic or biological modifications, but outside the mainstream, it is riddled with dozens of subcultures that might or might not think otherwise about it, as it is riddled with societies, consortiums, cults and groups of interests, all pressing for greater social control in a merciless ideological and economic competition.

Technology in this world is more than a century ahead regarding physics and engineering, to a point nuclear weaponry has been rendered useless against current defenses, but biotech and medicine are just 20 to 30 years ahead. There is a space race that is pushing the Big Two towards the edge of the solar system and beyond.

 
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Nice map, Goldstein. I really like the names you came up with for the Roman provinces outside their historical empire. Naming the major Caribbean isles after the major Mediterranean ones is so fitting, I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen in real life. I'm not sure how Australians will feel about the name Tartarus - insult or badge of pride?

I liked your description of modern Roman society, and if you have time, would you mind sharing some more about life inside the Empire of Sihai? (Nice choice of name, by the way. I had to look it up to see that it meant "the four seas," which is especially apt given their global reach.) In what ways does their system of government reflect their philosophies? How does wú wèi, or non-action, implement itself in domestic and foreign policy?

Also, if you feel like expanding on this scenario, I'd like to see a brief timeline of some of the pivotal events that led up to the current situation, especially with regard to trans-oceanic expansion, major rebellions, and regime changes. As a final question, is the dominance of the big two likely to remain entrenched for the foreseeable future, or is the world trembling with revolutionary fervor that threatens to shatter the status quo? It's okay if it's somewhere in between.

Anyway, great work. I've really enjoyed this thought-provoking scenario.
 

On the Moon and Mars, yes, they're strong enough, but nothing we've found can handle supporting its own weight in Earth gravity. Never mind the problem with manufacturing nanotubes longer than a few inches.
 
A Roma Aeterna scenario. Fairly common, I know, but I wanted my own take.

The PoD is Agrippa being the sucessor of Augustus instead of Tiberius, and a more rationalized and meritocratic, less disastrous sucession system following afterwards, as well as a slightly greater expansion that meant more resources and revenues in a context of greater internal stability. Persia eventually gets conquered and incorporated. An Iranian revanchist, revivalist kingdom would be formed around OTL Afghanistan and would displace the traditional Indo-Aryan culture. The barbaric push towards Rome found Rome in a much better shape: not only it was contained, but it prompted Rome to expand eastwards. By the year 1000 of our Christian era (Christianity exists ITTL, but as a minority faction. Axum is the only Christian-majority nation), both China and Rome counted with gunpowder weaponry and printing press. Eventually, both civilizations would build a highly bipolar world, with any remaining independent nation, either played against the other side or kept that way because it brings less problems and amounts to the same as direct annexation, firmly puppetized by one or the other.

Very well done, Goldstein, and I concur on the quality of the province-naming. :)

What are the Dai-Ko Yue, ethnically speaking?
 
I always loved this TL, for suggesting that America's presence did matter. I also got a dig out of the idea that Hayek is the world's best hope...

Yeah, Austria seems to be simultaneously the world's least-terrible country and one of the most likely to collapse. Always a good time!
 

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Nice map, Goldstein. I really like the names you came up with for the Roman provinces outside their historical empire. Naming the major Caribbean isles after the major Mediterranean ones is so fitting, I'm kind of surprised it didn't happen in real life. I'm not sure how Australians will feel about the name Tartarus - insult or badge of pride?

I liked your description of modern Roman society, and if you have time, would you mind sharing some more about life inside the Empire of Sihai? (Nice choice of name, by the way. I had to look it up to see that it meant "the four seas," which is especially apt given their global reach.) In what ways does their system of government reflect their philosophies? How does wú wèi, or non-action, implement itself in domestic and foreign policy?

Also, if you feel like expanding on this scenario, I'd like to see a brief timeline of some of the pivotal events that led up to the current situation, especially with regard to trans-oceanic expansion, major rebellions, and regime changes. As a final question, is the dominance of the big two likely to remain entrenched for the foreseeable future, or is the world trembling with revolutionary fervor that threatens to shatter the status quo? It's okay if it's somewhere in between.

Anyway, great work. I've really enjoyed this thought-provoking scenario.

Thank you. I'll expand the wall of text, for sure. I'll cover major turning points after AD 1000 and major fault lines, as well as China and what its culture and society look like (you'll have noticed that a major theme is that the stereotypes about the East and the West are inverted. Suffice to say that China is laissez-faire, cyberpunkish and ridled with edgy subcultures, but its mainstream ethos is refined, in stark contrast with Rome). I haven't done it today because I've slept only two hours and the prospect of a wall of text seemed tiresome.

Very well done, Goldstein, and I concur on the quality of the province-naming. :)

What are the Dai-Ko Yue, ethnically speaking?

Thanks. They're *Vietnamese, esentially.
 
On the Moon and Mars, yes, they're strong enough, but nothing we've found can handle supporting its own weight in Earth gravity. Never mind the problem with manufacturing nanotubes longer than a few inches.
I believe the scenario you're talking about is set about one hundred and fifty years in the future. Space elevators are a perfectly reasonable element for a science fiction scenario. What's wrong with having things in science fiction that haven't been developed yet?
 
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A WIP world where several unsuccesful rebellions between the 1860-1870s were sucessful. To become a map series. The year is 1871:

-The Taiping Rebellion is sucessful and the Qing go into exile to Taiwan. Most ethnic Manchu however flee to Manchuria.
-Lincoln dies and without a strong leadership, the Union war effort fizzles out. The CSA is having internal conflicts over the role of states in the newly independent nation, and abolitionist organization abroad are pushing for a cotton boycott.
-The Federals win the Battle of Pavón in 1861, integrating Buenos Aires to the Argentine Confederation on their own terms. This will have long-reaching consequences.
-The Republic of Ezo manages to be independent for now. Much like Qing Taiwan, it is used as a European gateway to Japan.
-And perhaps more worryingly to Europe and the rest of the world: the Paris Commune has taken over France after the Franco-Prussian war, sending the weak French monarchy into exile to Corisca. Europe faces a revolutionary France once again.

Does anyone knows of other interesting PODs on this time period I could add?

I'm also trying to make a basemap of the southern cone in this time period. The multiple claims on Chaco and Patagonia are very hard to map. This version is just a guess. I haven't taken into account the consequences of an ATL Paraguayan War, for example.
 
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This one is an ASB ISOT taking place in January 1848 (the base map seems pretty dated but otherwise ok, but correct me if I'm wrong), in which several major prehistoric or potential landmasses from alternate timeline(s) find themselves onto our Earth, without displacing worldwide sea-levels or water patterns. These include a ridge-based Atlantis, the historical landmasses of Zealandia and Kerguelen, and the plateaus of Mascarene, 90-East, Wallaby, Broken Ridge and the largest of all singular plateaus, Ontong Java. This is 1 hour after the ISOT.

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