Harry Turtledove: Fallout (Hot War Book 2)
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Could have done it after Trump announced his intention to run for the Republican Nominee.
I think HT does have a conservative stance given the tone in his "The Man with the Iron Heart" especially considering the entire subject matter is a blatant allegory of the War on Terrror and the Iraq War inserted in post-WW2. And I also believe he isn't a big fan of Cindy Sheehan given that there is a woman who is a not so disguised analogue to Sheehan in "Iron Heart".
Are we supposed to see that as a good thing though? I thought that was showing how the alt-US is more Kaiserreich-influenced and hardened by wars against the South.
Perhaps reasonable is the wrong word...but after the GW America starts to implement unions, pension plans, easier living (For those states that were always loyal), no country wide prohibition (so organized crime is lower) No formal discrimination due to immigrants and Jews having a major political party (i.e. Socialists)
Faeelin
Banned
I thought the pension plans failed? And the US is still racist against blacks, and lacks the 14th amendment.
True they did...but they kept trying. And yes they are, but African Americans (which consist of a much smaller portion of the American population than the OTL) appear to be better protected under the law than they are in the otl
Well, sort of. One thing that annoyed me with those books is how the Socialist Party takes power after decades in the political wilderness... And then doesn't do any socialism, not even any New Deal type stuff when the Depression hits. Didn't really make sense to me to have a Socialist in Hoover's role, having Blackford fail to improve the economy because of overregulation and nationalized boondoggles would have made more sense to me. And fit with Turtledove's political views of he's really a conservative.
The thing that most annoyed me in that series was that not only did he set it up so theirs a Nazi like party in america (very original that lol) but that he bumps off the few DESCENT CSA characters early (i.e. Reginald Bartlett, Tom Colleton) And rewards traitors (Lucien Gaiter stretches the term traitor, but he does pretty well after the war while suffering nothing during it). Not to say that I support what Mary Pomeroy did (didnt care who she did) But considering what Arthur Mcgregor was put through before he began bombing, I think theirs enough evidence to suggest that patriotic citizens will always get the worst of it.
Faeelin
Banned
Galtier was very clearly there as a comparison to the Pomeries, and that was one of the cooler moments IMO.
True. But regardless of the comparison, it still shows the different between what happens if you collaborate (even to the extent Galtier does) and what happens if you actually care about your country. And lets not forget, that apart from the CSA invasion attempt towards Philadelphia, it was the USA who was invading other countries.
Faeelin
Banned
They honored their commitments, the British seized Maine after meddling in war between America and rebel provinces, and it's a nice fuck you to all those "Britain curb stomps America in 1862 with no negative consequences for it" that we get posted.
Are you kidding? Every other TL here is "America doesn't conquer the entire planet because they don't feel like it."
A_H_nikky
Banned
Description of Book 3-with spoilers
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553390767/uchroniathealter
In the final book of the blistering trilogy The Hot War, old hatreds and new chances for revenge are unleashed on an already devastated world—as the Cold War becomes a roaring inferno.
In 1952 American cities lie in ruins. President Harry Truman, in office since 1945, presides over a makeshift government in Philadelphia, suffering his own personal loss and fearing for the future of democracy. In the wake of Hitler’s reign, Germany and America have become allies, and Stalin’s vise-hold on power in the USSR persists. Unwilling to trust the Soviet tyrant, Truman launches a long-planned nuclear strike on the city of Omsk—killing Stalin and plunging the Red Army into leaderless, destructive anarchy. Meanwhile, the Baltic states careen toward rebellion and Poland is seized by rebels bred on war. In a world awash with victims turned victors, refugees, and killers, has Truman struck a blow for peace or fueled more chaos?
As these staggering events unfold, the lives of men and women across battle lines, ethnicities, and religions play out across the globe. In Los Angeles, an extended Jewish family builds a future, while the foul smell of a refugee camp in Santa Monica blows in on the ocean breeze. In Korea, a U.S. fighter struggles to bring his Korean interpreter stateside as a full American. In Siberia, two German women fight for their survival in a gulag—and begin a strange, harrowing journey home.
From the terrifying global chess match between superpowers to the strength of individual human conscience, Armistice captures a world that’s been split to its core by the violence only mankind can create. Through the thunder of battle, the clashes of armies, and the whispers of lovers, how humanity will be rebuilt, and who will do it, are the questions that resound in this marvelous work of imagination and history.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553390767/uchroniathealter
In the final book of the blistering trilogy The Hot War, old hatreds and new chances for revenge are unleashed on an already devastated world—as the Cold War becomes a roaring inferno.
In 1952 American cities lie in ruins. President Harry Truman, in office since 1945, presides over a makeshift government in Philadelphia, suffering his own personal loss and fearing for the future of democracy. In the wake of Hitler’s reign, Germany and America have become allies, and Stalin’s vise-hold on power in the USSR persists. Unwilling to trust the Soviet tyrant, Truman launches a long-planned nuclear strike on the city of Omsk—killing Stalin and plunging the Red Army into leaderless, destructive anarchy. Meanwhile, the Baltic states careen toward rebellion and Poland is seized by rebels bred on war. In a world awash with victims turned victors, refugees, and killers, has Truman struck a blow for peace or fueled more chaos?
As these staggering events unfold, the lives of men and women across battle lines, ethnicities, and religions play out across the globe. In Los Angeles, an extended Jewish family builds a future, while the foul smell of a refugee camp in Santa Monica blows in on the ocean breeze. In Korea, a U.S. fighter struggles to bring his Korean interpreter stateside as a full American. In Siberia, two German women fight for their survival in a gulag—and begin a strange, harrowing journey home.
From the terrifying global chess match between superpowers to the strength of individual human conscience, Armistice captures a world that’s been split to its core by the violence only mankind can create. Through the thunder of battle, the clashes of armies, and the whispers of lovers, how humanity will be rebuilt, and who will do it, are the questions that resound in this marvelous work of imagination and history.